moltenmetalburn
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blackslide":b3jzivtg said:
The modes most definitely affect the sound and feel of channel two. I have experienced this with old AND new tubes, it is part of the design as the channel share at least one gain stage.
The modes most definitely affect the sound and feel of channel two. I have experienced this with old AND new tubes, it is part of the design as the channel share at least one gain stage.
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eddiespaghetty
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Hi,
to make it clear: The mod cannot affect the sound, the modes do definately, as you said, in channel two. When you play channel two and have the channel 1 switch at mega mode, the sound is thicker. Having the switch at crunch, it clears up a tiny bit and doesn't feel so "gainy" - this is my prefered setting. Having the switch at clean mode, channel two is a little bit "clearer" again.
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to make it clear: The mod cannot affect the sound, the modes do definately, as you said, in channel two. When you play channel two and have the channel 1 switch at mega mode, the sound is thicker. Having the switch at crunch, it clears up a tiny bit and doesn't feel so "gainy" - this is my prefered setting. Having the switch at clean mode, channel two is a little bit "clearer" again.
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ed
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Anonymous
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"Diezel Einstein 50 head (mid-priced; great features and great tone; sold in a choice of places; not as epic as a Herbert or VH4)" Angry Goldfish
"I think I'd rather an Elmwood over a Herbert or VH4, simply because I don't play in a band or live anymore." Angry Goldfish
As far as the wattage thing goes between Diezel amps, I look at the entire line this way: Each amp has a given purpose and sound that, while similar, is not the exact same thing and the wattage partially affects this.
While a 100 watt Einstein has more headroom, the 50 watter has plenty of headroom for most club situations, even when not mic'd. My Einstein combo still has way more volume available at 50 watts then I will ever need. I can add cabs for a bigger sound, but the volume is certainly there in abundance, and with plenty of clean. I haven't modded the first channel and don't plan too. It's not a big deal with me personally, and I'm with Eddiespaghetty on the use of mode 2. I also use JJ KT77's and get a terrific blend of the 6L6 and EL-34 tubes in that tube. If you are not playing out, you don't need 100 watts, in my humble opinion. The speakers and the cab you use your 7 string with will have an affect on how well the sound of the lower strings are transmitted, since the Einstein does have a sub-bass global control.
After having owned a VH4, Herbert, and still having the Einstein combo, I now also own a Schmidt. It is far quieter, even at almost full volume then the Einstein 50 is, but is the perfect amp for clubs, either mic'd or not, in my situation. I feel this way because you can run the amp up where the tubes should be run to get the most tone from them without the amp overpowering the band. We are not a quiet band, but no club we play in at this time wants their patrons driven out by excessive volume. We are often in clubs where sound personel mic up the band and run everything through the PA. Even though I am on stage, the PA still sounds loud to me out front. The Schmidt can cover a lot of sonic ground in these situations. I don't think 120 watts from a VH4, 180 watts from a Herbert, or even 100 watts from an Einstein is really needed, unless the band is doing metal and needs the sound from the amp to be as the amp is designed and intended to deliver and at excrutiating volume levels. By the way, why waste micing your amp when Diezel has a comp out that I have found is as good as using Neumann U-87 in the studio.
When purchasing any amp, the wattage should be considered. All Diezels have the same quality and share many features. They were designed as multi-purpose amps, no matter which one is decided upon, but each amp might be better suited for a given situation then another, imo. Having used all of them in my situation, I have come to realize that while they all can excel at doing the job, some just feel better for my volume requirements then the others do.
I say this because AngryGoldfish seems to be torn between 100+ watts or the 50 watt Einstein. Think of where you will be using the amp most of the time. You don't want to get too much power available as you cannot get the most from the tubes if the amp is overpowered for the intended use. Also, after spending at least 6 months tweaking the amp and trying out as many sounds as you can, then try using different preamp tubes to revoice the amp. Diezels love different tubes and really express the way they sound differently from one to the next very well.
In any event, these are just my views based on my experience. Your experiences and views will vary, but good luck in your decision. Half the fun is in deciding which amp to get...so long as it's a Diezel.
"I think I'd rather an Elmwood over a Herbert or VH4, simply because I don't play in a band or live anymore." Angry Goldfish
As far as the wattage thing goes between Diezel amps, I look at the entire line this way: Each amp has a given purpose and sound that, while similar, is not the exact same thing and the wattage partially affects this.
While a 100 watt Einstein has more headroom, the 50 watter has plenty of headroom for most club situations, even when not mic'd. My Einstein combo still has way more volume available at 50 watts then I will ever need. I can add cabs for a bigger sound, but the volume is certainly there in abundance, and with plenty of clean. I haven't modded the first channel and don't plan too. It's not a big deal with me personally, and I'm with Eddiespaghetty on the use of mode 2. I also use JJ KT77's and get a terrific blend of the 6L6 and EL-34 tubes in that tube. If you are not playing out, you don't need 100 watts, in my humble opinion. The speakers and the cab you use your 7 string with will have an affect on how well the sound of the lower strings are transmitted, since the Einstein does have a sub-bass global control.
After having owned a VH4, Herbert, and still having the Einstein combo, I now also own a Schmidt. It is far quieter, even at almost full volume then the Einstein 50 is, but is the perfect amp for clubs, either mic'd or not, in my situation. I feel this way because you can run the amp up where the tubes should be run to get the most tone from them without the amp overpowering the band. We are not a quiet band, but no club we play in at this time wants their patrons driven out by excessive volume. We are often in clubs where sound personel mic up the band and run everything through the PA. Even though I am on stage, the PA still sounds loud to me out front. The Schmidt can cover a lot of sonic ground in these situations. I don't think 120 watts from a VH4, 180 watts from a Herbert, or even 100 watts from an Einstein is really needed, unless the band is doing metal and needs the sound from the amp to be as the amp is designed and intended to deliver and at excrutiating volume levels. By the way, why waste micing your amp when Diezel has a comp out that I have found is as good as using Neumann U-87 in the studio.
When purchasing any amp, the wattage should be considered. All Diezels have the same quality and share many features. They were designed as multi-purpose amps, no matter which one is decided upon, but each amp might be better suited for a given situation then another, imo. Having used all of them in my situation, I have come to realize that while they all can excel at doing the job, some just feel better for my volume requirements then the others do.
I say this because AngryGoldfish seems to be torn between 100+ watts or the 50 watt Einstein. Think of where you will be using the amp most of the time. You don't want to get too much power available as you cannot get the most from the tubes if the amp is overpowered for the intended use. Also, after spending at least 6 months tweaking the amp and trying out as many sounds as you can, then try using different preamp tubes to revoice the amp. Diezels love different tubes and really express the way they sound differently from one to the next very well.
In any event, these are just my views based on my experience. Your experiences and views will vary, but good luck in your decision. Half the fun is in deciding which amp to get...so long as it's a Diezel.
AngryGoldfish
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C-4":1l3n4dx6 said:
That's it: My biggest problem is deciding what wattage I should opt for. There's the Schmidt at 15/30, Einstein at 50, and the Einstein at 100. But because I'll only be using the amp for garage use and home recording, even though it would be awesome to mix and match valves in the 100 watt version, will I even be able to take advantage of output variations when I'm playing at no more than drumming levels for home use and whatever volumes sounds best for recording?
Ideally, testing all these amps against each other would be the best thing to do. But I need to go to Germany for that, and by the time I've spent €400 there, I could of bought a Schmidt, sent it back if it wasn't quite what I wanted (paying €80 for shipping), bought the Einstein 100 and sent it back if I wasn't perfect either. So either way I'm both winning and losing.
I ordered a custom-made cabinet that Matamp and I designed specifically for low tuning/seven/eight string guitars. It's only a 2x12 but that should actually help with bass response because of it's dimensions and speaker types. That should alleviate any "problems" the amp itself might have coping with notes as low as F#.
The only reason why the 100 watt Einstein sparked my interest was because it allowed me to mix and match valves. But like I said, will it be a complete waste of time? Do you have to play at stage volumes to take advantage of the power valves and their different characterstics?
dass101
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To tell you the truth, my favourite sounding amp of the Diezel family, from what I heard on the internet, is the Schmidt. But... 30 W is probably too little for me, and also I couldn't justify paying more then I did for the 50W Einstein. If they were at the same price I would have probably went for the Schmidt. Obviously, it also depends on the tone you are after, but I really feel that the Schmidt covers most ground, even if it has a less unique voicing.
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"Do you have to play at stage volumes to take advantage of the power valves and their different characterstics?" AngryGoldfish
That depends on the amp being used.
For example, the Einstein was not designed for power tube saturation. It may get some when run really hard, but I'm not sure.
On the other hand, the VH4 was intentionally designed to be able to get power tube saturation when the global volume control is above 1 o'clock, no matter what the volume level is.
The reason I like this feature is because it allows you to get either the preamp tubes alone, the power tubes alone, or in combination with each other, the various saturated tones you want to hear at ANY volume level.
The Schmidt can also do that, but more noticably at lower volumes with the 15 watt power tubes. I use the stock tubes that Peter placed in the amp from Bad Steben, which I believe are some type of 6L6. Since I run the ch one volume up to 3 o'clock, I can get that power tube saturation nicely and still hear the clean side of the amp on ch one.
Since the Schmidt has no global volume control as the VH4 has, getting power tube saturation only comes at a louder volume on ch one, but is more easily obtainable on ch's 2 and 3 due to those channels having a master volume to work with.
It is always a trade off depending on the amp.
I bought every single Diezel amp unseen, unplayed and have never been even slightly disappointed buying them this way.
As for blending power tubes, I change out the preamp tubes after a year of playing and try some NOS Mullards, Telefunkens, Mazda's, RFT's, Brimars, etc to try to revoice the amp, but I prefer a KT77 as my power tube of choice, thank's to Olaf's reccomendation here, as it combines the best of a 6L6 and an EL-34 from which it is originally based.
I had a blend of EL-34's in my Herbert with a touch of 6L6 in sockets 2 and 5 and the amp was wonderful, but I feel that a KT77 sounds very similar to this combination...just 130 watts less powerful.
If you have your mind set on a 100 watt Einstein, better to find a dealer or person near you that possibly may allow you to at least try it out for a few minutes to see if you actually will need 100 watts. If your intention is to use it for recording, you will never need that much horsepower. Your speaker cab will make a bigger difference at lower volume levels using a 7 string guitar or drop-tuning, or even playing at garage levels. The 50 watt Einstein is really LOUD to begin with.
Good luck, and good hunting.
Stephen
That depends on the amp being used.
For example, the Einstein was not designed for power tube saturation. It may get some when run really hard, but I'm not sure.
On the other hand, the VH4 was intentionally designed to be able to get power tube saturation when the global volume control is above 1 o'clock, no matter what the volume level is.
The reason I like this feature is because it allows you to get either the preamp tubes alone, the power tubes alone, or in combination with each other, the various saturated tones you want to hear at ANY volume level.
The Schmidt can also do that, but more noticably at lower volumes with the 15 watt power tubes. I use the stock tubes that Peter placed in the amp from Bad Steben, which I believe are some type of 6L6. Since I run the ch one volume up to 3 o'clock, I can get that power tube saturation nicely and still hear the clean side of the amp on ch one.
Since the Schmidt has no global volume control as the VH4 has, getting power tube saturation only comes at a louder volume on ch one, but is more easily obtainable on ch's 2 and 3 due to those channels having a master volume to work with.
It is always a trade off depending on the amp.
I bought every single Diezel amp unseen, unplayed and have never been even slightly disappointed buying them this way.
As for blending power tubes, I change out the preamp tubes after a year of playing and try some NOS Mullards, Telefunkens, Mazda's, RFT's, Brimars, etc to try to revoice the amp, but I prefer a KT77 as my power tube of choice, thank's to Olaf's reccomendation here, as it combines the best of a 6L6 and an EL-34 from which it is originally based.
I had a blend of EL-34's in my Herbert with a touch of 6L6 in sockets 2 and 5 and the amp was wonderful, but I feel that a KT77 sounds very similar to this combination...just 130 watts less powerful.
If you have your mind set on a 100 watt Einstein, better to find a dealer or person near you that possibly may allow you to at least try it out for a few minutes to see if you actually will need 100 watts. If your intention is to use it for recording, you will never need that much horsepower. Your speaker cab will make a bigger difference at lower volume levels using a 7 string guitar or drop-tuning, or even playing at garage levels. The 50 watt Einstein is really LOUD to begin with.
Good luck, and good hunting.
Stephen
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DvE
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I dont own any Einstein, but more wattage is not only for louder volumes.
To me its all about dynamic headroom. Thats the reason why I love my Herbert
The more horsepower you have, the better it can translate the ultra-low-frequencies. So if I were you (I am not into 7- and 8-String guitars, DropB is the lowest tuning I play and t not very often) I would go with the 100 w version, but thats just my 2 cents
To me its all about dynamic headroom. Thats the reason why I love my Herbert
The more horsepower you have, the better it can translate the ultra-low-frequencies. So if I were you (I am not into 7- and 8-String guitars, DropB is the lowest tuning I play and t not very often) I would go with the 100 w version, but thats just my 2 cents
AngryGoldfish
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For me, 30 watts is verging on perfect. Low end and punch, when matched with the proper cabinet, is still attainable, while home use/recording/jamming without feeling like a 'tard is also right there for me.dass101":3j60droi said:
The Schmidt, from clips, sounds perfect in the sense of being an ideal match for the amps I already have. I'm really looking for a clean tone that is incredibly sweet, almost jazzy and not too bright and pristine, and whatever my Soldano doesn't cover – which is everything but the br00talz.
I seriously doubt I'd ever use even half of what the VH4 or Herbert have – and I'm not just talking about power levels. Even the Einstein seems a bit overkill since I already have a great amp that is very loud and very aggressive.
I really can't justify the VH4 right now. If I only ever wanted one amp, it'd be the VH4 or the Herbert, but I don't. Four channels, enormous amounts of gain, midi capabilities, over 100 watts, stereo... aahahhhC-4":3j60droi said:"Do you have to play at stage volumes to take advantage of the power valves and their different characterstics?" AngryGoldfish
That depends on the amp being used.
For example, the Einstein was not designed for power tube saturation. It may get some when run really hard, but I'm not sure.
On the other hand, the VH4 was intentionally designed to be able to get power tube saturation when the global volume control is above 1 o'clock, no matter what the volume level is.
The reason I like this feature is because it allows you to get either the preamp tubes alone, the power tubes alone, or in combination with each other, the various saturated tones you want to hear at ANY volume level.
The Schmidt can also do that, but more noticably at lower volumes with the 15 watt power tubes. I use the stock tubes that Peter placed in the amp from Bad Steben, which I believe are some type of 6L6. Since I run the ch one volume up to 3 o'clock, I can get that power tube saturation nicely and still hear the clean side of the amp on ch one.
Since the Schmidt has no global volume control as the VH4 has, getting power tube saturation only comes at a louder volume on ch one, but is more easily obtainable on ch's 2 and 3 due to those channels having a master volume to work with.
It is always a trade off depending on the amp.
I bought every single Diezel amp unseen, unplayed and have never been even slightly disappointed buying them this way.
As for blending power tubes, I change out the preamp tubes after a year of playing and try some NOS Mullards, Telefunkens, Mazda's, RFT's, Brimars, etc to try to revoice the amp, but I prefer a KT77 as my power tube of choice, thank's to Olaf's reccomendation here, as it combines the best of a 6L6 and an EL-34 from which it is originally based.
I had a blend of EL-34's in my Herbert with a touch of 6L6 in sockets 2 and 5 and the amp was wonderful, but I feel that a KT77 sounds very similar to this combination...just 130 watts less powerful.
If you have your mind set on a 100 watt Einstein, better to find a dealer or person near you that possibly may allow you to at least try it out for a few minutes to see if you actually will need 100 watts. If your intention is to use it for recording, you will never need that much horsepower. Your speaker cab will make a bigger difference at lower volume levels using a 7 string guitar or drop-tuning, or even playing at garage levels. The 50 watt Einstein is really LOUD to begin with.
Good luck, and good hunting.
Stephen
When you say you run channel one on the Schmidt at 3 o'clock, is that for a gigging clean sound?
I'm not concerned about power tube saturation for my clean channel - I want it clean. If I want a little dirt on it, I can add an OD pedal. Though the option of a gain knob would certainly allow for more versatility. I'm sure there's a good reason why the design doesn't have one.
I think I might try and bid on this Einstein 100 that's on ebay at the moment. It's hard to find someone who is willing to ship outside of the UK so I might pounce on it. We'll see. I can always remove two of the valves in necessary and keep it at 50 watts with KT77's or EL34's.
Cheers for the comment. I agree with you in a lot of ways.DvE":3j60droi said:I dont own any Einstein, but more wattage is not only for louder volumes.
To me its all about dynamic headroom. Thats the reason why I love my Herbert
The more horsepower you have, the better it can translate the ultra-low-frequencies. So if I were you (I am not into 7- and 8-String guitars, DropB is the lowest tuning I play and t not very often) I would go with the 100 w version, but thats just my 2 cents
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AngryGoldfish,
At 3 o'clock on ch one on the Schmidt, the power tubes add some hair to the sound and make it sound very organic. The sound here is not a saturated one, such as adding a OD pedal to ch one, but more of a feeling that the amp is giving a little and not so clean as to sound more on the dry or sterile side. Peter designed ch one of the Schmidt for the clean channel much as using a Fender Vibrolux Reverb amp is set up, which is about the same wattage as the Schmidt. I am using that for a live playing situation at those levels. Only playing jazz would I desire a totally clean sound from my amp. The touch of slight give and saturation actually makes the ch seem more sweet and have feeling. If I need it that clean on ch one, I simply use a very slight amount of compression with a ratio of about 2.5 to 1, just to level out the overall notes a little more, and if the sound is not loud enough, I add a boost. These are on a TC Nova System which I use in the series loop. I mostly play on ch 2 of the Schmidt, as the volume pedal can help clean up the sound or add the saturation. However, in your case, I personally believe the Schmidt is not going to be powerful enough for you.
Your thoughts on getting an Einstein are the way to go for now. Later, if you decide that you want a Herbert or VH4, you will still have a terrific amp in the Einstein, with a different feel and tone to it then either the VH4, or the Herbert has.
I have gone through all the amps and due to my playing requirements in live situations, no one is playing so loud as to require higher wattage amps. The most wattage I need is 50 watts and I still have all the headroom I require. In sessions, I rarely need nearly as much as 50 watts, so the Schmidt is just perfect for that situaton as well.
Everyone has different requirements and there is a Diezel amp for all of them.
At 3 o'clock on ch one on the Schmidt, the power tubes add some hair to the sound and make it sound very organic. The sound here is not a saturated one, such as adding a OD pedal to ch one, but more of a feeling that the amp is giving a little and not so clean as to sound more on the dry or sterile side. Peter designed ch one of the Schmidt for the clean channel much as using a Fender Vibrolux Reverb amp is set up, which is about the same wattage as the Schmidt. I am using that for a live playing situation at those levels. Only playing jazz would I desire a totally clean sound from my amp. The touch of slight give and saturation actually makes the ch seem more sweet and have feeling. If I need it that clean on ch one, I simply use a very slight amount of compression with a ratio of about 2.5 to 1, just to level out the overall notes a little more, and if the sound is not loud enough, I add a boost. These are on a TC Nova System which I use in the series loop. I mostly play on ch 2 of the Schmidt, as the volume pedal can help clean up the sound or add the saturation. However, in your case, I personally believe the Schmidt is not going to be powerful enough for you.
Your thoughts on getting an Einstein are the way to go for now. Later, if you decide that you want a Herbert or VH4, you will still have a terrific amp in the Einstein, with a different feel and tone to it then either the VH4, or the Herbert has.
I have gone through all the amps and due to my playing requirements in live situations, no one is playing so loud as to require higher wattage amps. The most wattage I need is 50 watts and I still have all the headroom I require. In sessions, I rarely need nearly as much as 50 watts, so the Schmidt is just perfect for that situaton as well.
Everyone has different requirements and there is a Diezel amp for all of them.
AngryGoldfish
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I think you're right. The Einstein is really what I'm aiming for the moment. If - in the future - I need something with less wattage, or even something with MORE wattage, Diezel will always have my back.C-4":2io7orj8 said:
And I think the features of the Einstein are more practical for myself than the Schmidt is, and so is the price. I think I may as well go for the 100 watt version since it's only like, €50 more in price.
I can always remove two of the valves if I feel the 50 watts is more to my tastes. But I can't add extra valves if I get the 50 watt version. Btw, does anyone know what happens to the impedance when you half an amps wattage? Do I then have to half the ohms on the cabinet? Thanks for everyones help - you're all awesome!
bronz79
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AngryGoldfish":1eb72res said:
..just whispers IMHO.
But i'm taliking about the Herbert and VH4.
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DvE
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AngryGoldfish":1czom8o0 said:I think you're right. The Einstein is really what I'm aiming for the moment. If - in the future - I need something with less wattage, or even something with MORE wattage, Diezel will always have my back.C-4":1czom8o0 said:
I think I may as well go for the 100 watt version since it's only like, €50 more in price.
Thanks for everyones help - you're all awesome!
I think thats the way to go - if it comes out you dont need 100 watts and like the 50 watts better - who cares about 50 Euros when already paying 2000 for an amp? But you have the possibility to mix tubes which makes the amp much more interesting ;-) One month ago I started to mix powertubes in my Herbert. Thought it was great before, but in combination it just sounds killer
AngryGoldfish
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Do you know what happens to the impedance when you half an amps' wattage?DvE":3di8e3j0 said:AngryGoldfish":3di8e3j0 said:I think you're right. The Einstein is really what I'm aiming for the moment. If - in the future - I need something with less wattage, or even something with MORE wattage, Diezel will always have my back.C-4":3di8e3j0 said:
I think I may as well go for the 100 watt version since it's only like, €50 more in price.
Thanks for everyones help - you're all awesome!
I think thats the way to go - if it comes out you dont need 100 watts and like the 50 watts better - who cares about 50 Euros when already paying 2000 for an amp? But you have the possibility to mix tubes which makes the amp much more interesting ;-) One month ago I started to mix powertubes in my Herbert. Thought it was great before, but in combination it just sounds killer
Ventura
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AngryGoldfish":3aherso9 said:Do you know what happens to the impedance when you half an amps' wattage?DvE":3aherso9 said:AngryGoldfish":3aherso9 said:I think you're right. The Einstein is really what I'm aiming for the moment. If - in the future - I need something with less wattage, or even something with MORE wattage, Diezel will always have my back.C-4":3aherso9 said:
I think I may as well go for the 100 watt version since it's only like, €50 more in price.
Thanks for everyones help - you're all awesome!
I think thats the way to go - if it comes out you dont need 100 watts and like the 50 watts better - who cares about 50 Euros when already paying 2000 for an amp? But you have the possibility to mix tubes which makes the amp much more interesting ;-) One month ago I started to mix powertubes in my Herbert. Thought it was great before, but in combination it just sounds killer
Nothing. Impedance typically refers to, or is described in conjunction with the load on the amp - so a 16 ohm cabinet whether run at 50W or 5W will remain a 16 ohm load. There are many classifications of "impedance" so I'm stretching my neck out on this one assuming this is what you're speaking about...
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dass101
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This is not correct. The problem here is that when you take out half of the power tubes, the load at the output of the transformer doubles. In most cases you want to have an impedance match between the output transformer and the cab.
That means that if you have a 8 ohm cab you should plug it into the 4 ohm output, and so on.
I only have basic knowledge about how this stuff works, but during the years all the info I read on the net describes this as the correct procedure when pulling out 2 tubes.
That means that if you have a 8 ohm cab you should plug it into the 4 ohm output, and so on.
I only have basic knowledge about how this stuff works, but during the years all the info I read on the net describes this as the correct procedure when pulling out 2 tubes.
AngryGoldfish
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I think my cabinet is a 16 ohm one but I'm not entirely sure at this moment because it's in the UK and I'm in Ireland.
So all I do is, when the valves are removed, half the impedance on the amp to 8 ohm but keep it in the 16 ohm cabinet?
So all I do is, when the valves are removed, half the impedance on the amp to 8 ohm but keep it in the 16 ohm cabinet?
dass101
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Yes, the 16 ohm cab should go into the 8 ohm output
Ventura
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Hmmmmmmmm...V.
moltenmetalburn
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Dont pull tubes on Einy it will not sound the same as the 50 watter has its own transformer.
EXPcustom
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I may piss some people off by saying this but instead of dancing around the point I am going to be more direct:
Elmwood Modena sucks.
Diezel rules.
Elmwood Modena sucks.
Diezel rules.