Splawn QR, Superstock, Nitro comparison vid

[troublehead]

yep..I use a DD 20 in the loop for gigs...and I run a rocktron intellifex online in the loop at home for mousefart/baby's sleeping in the room next door late at night volumes as well

The Intellifex is my main effect as well. Is the effects loop pretty transparent? I've played some that just massacre the tone no matter what effect you are using.

the loop is pretty clear once you get it up a little louder..at lower volumes it does add color...but when you put it at gig levels (8:00 or so) it goes away...

So how do you use it for low volume playing

Do you turn up the master and then bring the levels back down with the intellifex unit ???

I've always used an EQ in the loop and used the gain/volume sliders to counterbalance amps with "touchy" master volumes. Will this work for me when I get my Competition ? Or should I just forego the loop when playing at home ??? I would hate to have to run my delay out front

 

[shreder75]

yep..I use a DD 20 in the loop for gigs...and I run a rocktron intellifex online in the loop at home for mousefart/baby's sleeping in the room next door late at night volumes as well

The Intellifex is my main effect as well. Is the effects loop pretty transparent? I've played some that just massacre the tone no matter what effect you are using.

So how do you use it for low volume playing

Do you turn up the master and then bring the levels back down with the intellifex unit ???

I've always used an EQ in the loop and used the gain/volume sliders to counterbalance amps with "touchy" master volumes. Will this work for me when I get my Competition ? Or should I just forego the loop when playing at home ??? I would hate to have to run my delay out front

yep, that's exactly what I do..mind you, this is for really low playing...you can get good bedroom volumes without it..but I'm talking sub bedroom levels...

if the EQ has a volume as you said you should be good....you can also bump your comp down to 25 watts...

 

[troublehead]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

 

[4nkam]

Man everything sounds really great! Can't wait to get my Nitro

 

[shreder75]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

that's if you're just running something without the ability to also control volume in the loop..it goes away at at volume of 8:30, not 9:30 =D 9:30s concert volume...LOL...with the eq in there with its own volume control you'll be fine

didn't you already have a pro mod or something at one poitn though? or was it just the splawn 2x12 you had?

 

[shreder75]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

He might want to design a new effects loop if that's the case, he sure doesn't have a problem with designing new amps.

well at least it's designed to take rack gear and pedals unlike another amp company who charges about a grand more who's name also begins with an S

 

[troublehead]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

that's if you're just running something without the ability to also control volume in the loop..it goes away at at volume of 8:30, not 9:30 =D 9:30s concert volume...LOL...with the eq in there with its own volume control you'll be fine

didn't you already have a pro mod or something at one poitn though? or was it just the splawn 2x12 you had?

That is really good news !

I had a first generation Pro Mod a long time ago (no gears). At that point in time, I was more into heavily saturated modern stuff. The Pro Mod didn't do what I expected. Over the past year or so, I got rid of my Les Paul and Explorer in favor of a Strat. I'm in the midst of putting a classic rock/vintage metal band together right now. Doing everything from AC/DC to UFO to early Mercyful Fate at the heaviest. From what I've read and from talking to Scott, Splawn amps have changed a lot since then. And since I snuck in my order before the price increase, I figured the Competition was worth another shot. I talked to Scott today and I'm about 2 weeks away.

 

[4nkam]

For those that played the Nitro, do you think you can dial in lower gain QR tones too?

 

[troublehead]

For those that played the Nitro, do you think you can dial in lower gain QR tones too?

Everyone please say "no" to this question so I don't shoot myself for ordering the Competition

 

[ejecta]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

Ive had two QR's and now own a Splawn modded Marshall 1987XL. The loops I had were as good as any I had IMHO. I run a Damage Control Timeline Delay pedal and a EH Stereo Memory Man Hazari delay pedal in the loop of mine and it sounds just fine.

What you guys have to remeber these guys talking this stuff are mainly voicing an opinon when they are trying to get the amp down to low bedroom level with the loop. Your tone will color somewhat no matter the loop design down that low. PERIOD.

Quite honestly Im tired of some bedroom players trying to talk tone from 50 to 100 watt amps on these forums. (Ralphie is exempt ) Most 50watt+ amps are made to be played louder than a bedroom level. These amps are made to be played in bands at band level and recorded at that level. Thats where the tone happens on these amps.

Take an amp that is designed for bedroom level and try to play that in a band. It's tone will suck when it's up really loud cause it'll loose it's teeth, cut, and become way too compressed. Take amp that is designed to played in a band and play it down low and the tone will color. Its the nature of the beast. Deal with it.

 

[shreder75]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

that's if you're just running something without the ability to also control volume in the loop..it goes away at at volume of 8:30, not 9:30 =D 9:30s concert volume...LOL...with the eq in there with its own volume control you'll be fine

didn't you already have a pro mod or something at one poitn though? or was it just the splawn 2x12 you had?

That is really good news !

I had a first generation Pro Mod a long time ago (no gears). At that point in time, I was more into heavily saturated modern stuff. The Pro Mod didn't do what I expected. Over the past year or so, I got rid of my Les Paul and Explorer in favor of a Strat. I'm in the midst of putting a classic rock/vintage metal band together right now. Doing everything from AC/DC to UFO to early Mercyful Fate at the heaviest. From what I've read and from talking to Scott, Splawn amps have changed a lot since then. And since I snuck in my order before the price increase, I figured the Competition was worth another shot. I talked to Scott today and I'm about 2 weeks away.

for older school stuff like that the comp'll probably be right up your alley then...it's cool that you can bump them down to even 25 watts now...

 

[shreder75]

For those that played the Nitro, do you think you can dial in lower gain QR tones too?

hmmmm..dunno...I'd ask scott if I were you..we all pretty much wanted to see how heavy and saturated it was being that most of us there have a QR or PM already..

it doesn't have gears like the QR and PM..so you've got OD1 and OD2...everything was pretty much plugging and playing...

maybe running back on the gain, leaving it on OD1 and backing off on the resonance would get you close?

 

[shreder75]

I'm just confused about all the low volume/effects loop suckage talk regarding Splawns. So basically, if I run the Master past the point where the effects loop "suffers"..........I can bring the volume back down to a reasonable level with some sort of volume control in the loop. I'm just concerned because of this quote I heard over on the Splawn forums........"the effects loop coloration goes away at gigging volumes, i.e. 9:30" Might have even been you that said it I sure don't want the amp to have to be at "gigging" volumes in order to use the loop. I love my graphic EQ and Digidelay

Ive had two QR's and now own a Splawn modded Marshall 1987XL. The loops I had were as good as any I had IMHO. I run a Damage Control Timeline Delay pedal and a EH Stereo Memory Man Hazari delay pedal in the loop of mine and it sounds just fine.

What you guys have to remeber these guys talking this stuff are mainly voicing an opinon when they are trying to get the amp down to low bedroom level with the loop. Your tone will color somewhat no matter the loop design down that low. PERIOD.

Quite honestly Im tired of some bedroom players trying to talk tone from 50 to 100 watt amps on these forums. (Ralphie is exempt ) Most 50watt+ amps are made to be played louder than a bedroom level. These amps are made to be played in bands at band level and recorded at that level. Thats where the tone happens on these amps.

Take an amp that is designed for bedroom level and try to play that in a band. It's tone will suck when it's up really loud cause it'll loose it's teeth, cut, and become way too compressed. Take amp that is designed to played in a band and play it down low and the tone will color. Its the nature of the beast. Deal with it.

easy, tiger..everyone thinks of me as the excitable one, remember? lol

 

[ejecta]

easy, tiger..everyone thinks of me as the excitable one, remember? lol

Not excited nor mad or anything. Just was giving an honest observation in blunt way I guess. Ive always been that way and sometimes people take me the wrong way.

It's funny, you can tell who has been in a band and who hasnt just by their discription of tone and playing in thier clips. Now Im not saying bedroom players suck or are idiots or anything. Hell Im not like your buddy Dirty Craig in that I think Im all that and can slam bedroom guys. Im a home/bedroom player as much as I play out at times. Im just saying IMHO you cant get an accurate feel and tone out of an amp that is designed to be played at band levels by turning it down at bedroom levels with a master or using something in the loop.

 

[shreder75]

easy, tiger..everyone thinks of me as the excitable one, remember? lol

Not excited nor mad or anything. Just was giving an honest observation in blunt way I guess. Ive always been that way and sometimes people take me the wrong way.

It's funny, you can tell who has been in a band and who hasnt just by their discription of tone and playing in thier clips. Now Im not saying bedroom players suck or are idiots or anything. Hell Im not like your buddy Dirty Craig in that I think Im all that and can slam bedroom guys. Im a home/bedroom player as much as I play out at times. Im just saying IMHO you cant get an accurate feel and tone out of an amp that is designed to be played at band levels by turning it down at bedroom levels with a master or using something in the loop.

it will sound different with something in the loop using it that way there's no doubt about it..it's a work around more than anything...I only have one amp so I have to use it loud AND quiet..so it works ok for me..of course I have to dial some things in differently when using something in the loop to kill volume..but it still has the vibe and suits me just fine...

that being said, I'm glad I get to open it up a few times a month and get to hear how it was really meant to sound!

troublehead won't have a problem using the EQ in the loop..and with the half power switch, making it 25 watts, it'll be even less of an issue...

 

[Vrad]

Nice video... All three amps sounded awesome and different enough.

 

[shreder75]

VRAD!!!!!!!! =D
there's been alotta complaining over on HCAF about this video.go figure..lol

 

[Vrad]

VRAD!!!!!!!! =D
there's been alotta complaining over on HCAF about this video.go figure..lol

Complaining? About what? That it sounds great?

 

[shreder75]

VRAD!!!!!!!! =D
there's been alotta complaining over on HCAF about this video.go figure..lol

Complaining? About what? That it sounds great?

first it was 'too much wankage..not enough rythm'..then it was 'not enough time spent on the super stock'..so of course I explain what the deal was and I get labled as a douchebag, etc, etc =) oh the humanity! anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell the difference between the three amps from the vid...

 

[Vrad]

VRAD!!!!!!!! =D
there's been alotta complaining over on HCAF about this video.go figure..lol

Complaining? About what? That it sounds great?

first it was 'too much wankage..not enough rythm'..then it was 'not enough time spent on the super stock'..so of course I explain what the deal was and I get labled as a douchebag, etc, etc =) oh the humanity! anyone with a modicum of intelligence can tell the difference between the three amps from the vid...

LOL! Not enough rhythm? What does that even mean? Not enough chugga chug?
They sound different. Different enough for me to want to own all 3...