guitarslinger
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Come out with more modules.
I don't care if you change out one cap and call it the Z module.
Just do something!!!!
I don't care if you change out one cap and call it the Z module.
Just do something!!!!
Suggestion for Egnater
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Fallout Labs
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i'd love to work with bruce or jeff on a more "modern" module.
it would be a mix of an eg5 / erect with a few other tweaks. I feel the only area the modular line is lacking in is the 'modern' tones.
it would be a mix of an eg5 / erect with a few other tweaks. I feel the only area the modular line is lacking in is the 'modern' tones.
aeroic
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I agree. I'd love them to work with someone to do this...I'd like to see Anthony of Salvation Mods work with Bruce / Jeff to make Anthony's modules dual channel capable! Also, it'd be cool if they could work together to create new modules instead of modding existing ones!
Eric
Eric
aeroic
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jmgman69":x12gg8xb said:It would less expensive that wayaeroic":x12gg8xb said:
I agree. I'd love to see egnater do a concept of a "SDK" (software's developers kit" in the computer world) but for Modules. So MDK...Module Developer's kit. They get to pick who get's access to it, and then the MDK guys would just but pre-printed empty circuit boards to develop modules on top of. No warranty from Eggie on them...or anything...just allows more "development" / proliferation / innovation for Egnater as they built the platform. They would still sell their amps...as would Randall. But...you could have many more people developing modules for custom work..etc.
Eric
marvcus
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jmgman69":2x9wvc5j said:It would less expensive that wayaeroic":2x9wvc5j said:
I agree on that being a cool idea. But I can see from Egnater's side, logistically, how this might be not beneficial in some instances. For example, certain modules (the Marshally ones) have SO many flavors of modifications that it would almost seem futile to make all of them.
On the other side, it would be cool to have different mixes of Vox-Marshall/Fender Vox, (Bad Cat, % 13, etc) sounds and etc.
Now one thing I have wanted since becoming a modular guy is some sort of Egnater rental program where you can rent out a module to try before you buy it. That way, if you want to try, say, an SL2 vs. an EG 3/4, you can try them both out and get the one you want...or send them back.
Shoot, I might just buy one or two sets of all the modules and do just that if people think it would be worthwhile...
EWSEthan
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aeroic":2y4odg6n said:jmgman69":2y4odg6n said:It would less expensive that wayaeroic":2y4odg6n said:
I agree. I'd love to see egnater do a concept of a "SDK" (software's developers kit" in the computer world) but for Modules. So MDK...Module Developer's kit. They get to pick who get's access to it, and then the MDK guys would just but pre-printed empty circuit boards to develop modules on top of. No warranty from Eggie on them...or anything...just allows more "development" / proliferation / innovation for Egnater as they built the platform. They would still sell their amps...as would Randall. But...you could have many more people developing modules for custom work..etc.
Eric
This is awesome idea that we've talked about before. Taking it further, much like Line6 has their "Tone Library" (though I think the word tone being used associated with Line6 is hilarious
) where POD users post their settings for particular artists or whatever, MDK developers can post online full breakdowns of their circuits to get tones like SLO, XTC, Diezel, etc. Then, gusty DIYers can buy a kit and try to make their own version of those amps in module form.Its been stated that Egnater does not want to get into doing versions of other boutique designs and I can understand and respect that. But maybe if they give the community the ability to make their own modules, the general community can take care of itself...
aeroic
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EWSEthan":26hha54k said:aeroic":26hha54k said:jmgman69":26hha54k said:It would less expensive that wayaeroic":26hha54k said:
I agree. I'd love to see egnater do a concept of a "SDK" (software's developers kit" in the computer world) but for Modules. So MDK...Module Developer's kit. They get to pick who get's access to it, and then the MDK guys would just but pre-printed empty circuit boards to develop modules on top of. No warranty from Eggie on them...or anything...just allows more "development" / proliferation / innovation for Egnater as they built the platform. They would still sell their amps...as would Randall. But...you could have many more people developing modules for custom work..etc.
Eric
This is awesome idea that we've talked about before. Taking it further, much like Line6 has their "Tone Library" (though I think the word tone being used associated with Line6 is hilarious
Its been stated that Egnater does not want to get into doing versions of other boutique designs and I can understand and respect that. But maybe if they give the community the ability to make their own modules, the general community can take care of itself...
I agree 100%. You make very valid points! There are enough folks I'd trust to dev modules...like Pete (okstrat / stratotone) and Anthony @ Salvation mods. This is much like what people are doing w/ Pedals and schematics etc. The pedal community has taken to this approach really well. There are a lot of "Open Source" pedal consortiums where guys are working together on designing schematics for pedals. Why this is any different for modules.....it is just because you have to buy a "pre-built" module to build off of. I think if Jeff / Bruce decided to sell module buying kits...with no warranty / liability on anything you do with it...(kinda like people are doing with pedals) then this could work. Which is why I think working with people that are "proven" in EE design like Pete..and Anthony...Dave Friedman...makes sense. Others would bubble up too.. if something like this came about.
It would really create a buzz... Egnater would get paid for empty modules...and their platform would proliferate even more than it already has!
This could be the "tube guy's dream" of an AxeFX type of world!
Eric
felineguitars
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I love the idea and think it would be great for amp addicts to have modules that did what their boutique amps did
I already said the 2 channel Fish preamp module could be a "Piscies"
So would the Custom 3 CAE module be a "Suhr Thing" ?
A few players would love a Mark preamp - Boogie Mk2/3/4
Would an SLO be too similar to the MHG?
The Brown Eye/ Hairy Brown Eye From Dave Friedman seem popular so a brown sound module
What about one that sounded like the Caswell No 39 - Slash & George Lynch circa 1987
I already said the 2 channel Fish preamp module could be a "Piscies"
So would the Custom 3 CAE module be a "Suhr Thing" ?
A few players would love a Mark preamp - Boogie Mk2/3/4
Would an SLO be too similar to the MHG?
The Brown Eye/ Hairy Brown Eye From Dave Friedman seem popular so a brown sound module
What about one that sounded like the Caswell No 39 - Slash & George Lynch circa 1987
guitarslinger
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Ain't gonna happen like that.
Some wahoo like me will put together some stupid, oscillating, whizzing sound, and it will say "EGNATER" right on the front panel.
They probably want to keep QC in house as much as possible for their USA line.
Just my opinion.
Some wahoo like me will put together some stupid, oscillating, whizzing sound, and it will say "EGNATER" right on the front panel.
They probably want to keep QC in house as much as possible for their USA line.
Just my opinion.
aeroic
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guitarslinger":3luryzk9 said:Ain't gonna happen like that.
Some wahoo like me will put together some stupid, oscillating, whizzing sound, and it will say "EGNATER" right on the front panel.
They probably want to keep QC in house as much as possible for their USA line.
Just my opinion.
How's that different from what Mojo does selling amps builds??? I can slap a Marshall logo on it, and claim it's Marshall!
That's why the panels would have no reference to Egnater...and the boards would need to be stated that this is a MDK board. And that's also why you limit the MDK boards to people that have proven ability. Just the same as why a fair amount of software companies have companies have $$$ charges for access to the SDK, or only provide the SDK to known partners who wouldn't do something like that.
Eric
Jeff Hilligan
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I boils down to this. QC and legal.
QC: When it comes back cause something is wrong we don't know what was done sometimes and as you all know serious damage can be caused to the traces and boards. We also don't like the idea that we are respected for not making, for example a VHT module but an individual can with our help? IE boards and various items. Still not cool! What everyone also does not understand is how crucial layout is with these small boards. Oscillation is one of the first items that happen when even a stock module is played with. It's not just use this board and these values and you have a VHT or whatever.
Legal: There is no name on the front. Well modular is Egnater so it's implied even without the name on the facia or boards. It's our patent. So we let you do it for yourself. We now open ourselves for non defense of our patent, setting a precedence. If Boogie did it we would go after them. So by the law, we have to go after Eric when he makes his DYI module. Amps are different cause in most cases they are not patented. Our design is. So second point is it's against the law to produce it from scratch. Modification is not and patent issue but is a QC possibility.
BTW...I have 2 mystery modules that have been shipped to someone.....for......input before release.
QC: When it comes back cause something is wrong we don't know what was done sometimes and as you all know serious damage can be caused to the traces and boards. We also don't like the idea that we are respected for not making, for example a VHT module but an individual can with our help? IE boards and various items. Still not cool! What everyone also does not understand is how crucial layout is with these small boards. Oscillation is one of the first items that happen when even a stock module is played with. It's not just use this board and these values and you have a VHT or whatever.
Legal: There is no name on the front. Well modular is Egnater so it's implied even without the name on the facia or boards. It's our patent. So we let you do it for yourself. We now open ourselves for non defense of our patent, setting a precedence. If Boogie did it we would go after them. So by the law, we have to go after Eric when he makes his DYI module. Amps are different cause in most cases they are not patented. Our design is. So second point is it's against the law to produce it from scratch. Modification is not and patent issue but is a QC possibility.
BTW...I have 2 mystery modules that have been shipped to someone.....for......input before release.
swimrunner
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All that was needed.Jeff Hilligan":2vppyzed said:
Yeah you guys are a little crazy.
muudrock
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All Great points! I think it will eventually go that way. The pedal business is a great example of how the need for inovation and new sounds brought so many people to the market and also spawned the whole DIY niche in the pedal industry.
Keep in mind, the modular concept is only a few years old which is infancy in the grand scheme of things. With the upturn in guys offering modifications to the modules and heads, the natural progression of things would lead to this. Right now, Bruce and Randall hold the cards and the rights to the modular concept and it is theirs to decide what to do with it. They have to balance their interests with the product demand. That being said, I would love to see Bruce license his boards to a SELECT few builders who would deliver a top notch product. We really don't want some hot shot with a soldering iron putting out a bunch of crap and cashing in on Bruce's and Randall's success. It would dilute the product and inevitably cost Egnater/Randall.
I would like to see a custom module program where as you could tailor the module to your needs and wants via a web site. Starting with a fundamental tone--Fender, Mesa, Marshall, Etc and then have available tweaks and possibly if needed, a one on one phone session with the guy who builds it to finalize the design. I would love to run something like this, but no one has the legal right to do it at this point. I did this when I was in the MI industry with guitars and small amps at the company I worked for. It was before the internet was so huge, and it was still very successful. Alot of musicians would love to have this kind of input on their gear, and it really does not exist on much more of small scale.
But, back to subject.....Yes, please new modules!!!
Keep in mind, the modular concept is only a few years old which is infancy in the grand scheme of things. With the upturn in guys offering modifications to the modules and heads, the natural progression of things would lead to this. Right now, Bruce and Randall hold the cards and the rights to the modular concept and it is theirs to decide what to do with it. They have to balance their interests with the product demand. That being said, I would love to see Bruce license his boards to a SELECT few builders who would deliver a top notch product. We really don't want some hot shot with a soldering iron putting out a bunch of crap and cashing in on Bruce's and Randall's success. It would dilute the product and inevitably cost Egnater/Randall.
I would like to see a custom module program where as you could tailor the module to your needs and wants via a web site. Starting with a fundamental tone--Fender, Mesa, Marshall, Etc and then have available tweaks and possibly if needed, a one on one phone session with the guy who builds it to finalize the design. I would love to run something like this, but no one has the legal right to do it at this point. I did this when I was in the MI industry with guitars and small amps at the company I worked for. It was before the internet was so huge, and it was still very successful. Alot of musicians would love to have this kind of input on their gear, and it really does not exist on much more of small scale.
But, back to subject.....Yes, please new modules!!!
aeroic
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Jeff Hilligan":3vknmjur said:
Those are very interesting and very valid counter points Jeff! I hadn't thought about the patent approach. A question to the legal end though. If you are licensing a user to "build" off of your design, that shouldn't open up your legal ramifications to non defense of a patent. Maybe I'm wrong... What I was thinking moreso, is that you work with folks that want to "license" your modularized design, and build off of them. Kinda like what people are doing when they build apps for the iPhone as an example. That way you get to choose / sign off on anything that is developed by your licensed module developers to make sure tonally things are up to snuff...QC is in line...etc. At any time you could yank that license if the developer was doing things you did not approve of.
I wasn't thinking any joe schmoe could be a licensed developer. More as a collaboration to the Egnater team where there could be increased innovation.
Anyways..just thoughts. Thanks for your insight Jeff. I wonder who the lucky SOB is!!! I hope I get a package from MI from Egnater Headquarters!!
Eric
Jeff Hilligan
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Well we license Randall to use the patent. There are items I cannot discuss as to why we cannot do this with others.
I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.
Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!
I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.
Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!
guitarslinger
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Jeff Hilligan":3avvowmf said:
Hmm. I'm running some nursing home insurance quotes right now.
Fallout Labs
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Jeff Hilligan":1vtg632u said:
my erect is going back.. actually just mod the rogue one that showed up and send it to me
