Suggestion for Egnater

[dfrattaroli]

Jeff, while I too would love to see more modules from Egnater, I don't care for you guys to go and "monkey" someone else's amp. I'd rather the rest of the modules that come out of your shop be Egnater through and through. I'd like to imagine that one day, you'd have the chance to sit in your shop with Bruce and just try different things until you find something special.

I used to be one of the guys who wanted a "Mesa Mark" module but you know what? I own 4 modules. I can hold them in my hand. And I can see how small they are. And the idea that you could get enough of a Mark's (or a Bogner, or a Diezel, etc., etc.) circuit in there, WHILE you're sticking to using only 2 or 3 basic board designs, isn't realistic. I understand this. It's not a modeller after all.

That said: What would REALLY be cool is if you continued along the lines of what you did with Ty. Get a pro to come in and lend his ears to designing a module within the Egnater framework. You get a player and say: "Here's the foundation and these are the variable parts. We can alter this, this and this, but not this. This and this, but not this. Now let's start playing with values and you tell us what you like the best". I think you'll get something truly unique this way. Everything will be Egnater underneath with someone else's influence on the finish.

I know it's easier said than done. But man, I can only imagine what you might come up with if you had a Holdsworth, Eric Johnson or even someone like Rusty Cooley. Car company's do this to. Chevy put out a Reggie Jackson Camaro in 2006 that he helped design.

You'd be the only kid on the block with that toy.

Dave

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Jeff, while I too would love to see more modules from Egnater, I don't care for you guys to go and "monkey" someone else's amp. I'd rather the rest of the modules that come out of your shop be Egnater through and through. I'd like to imagine that one day, you'd have the chance to sit in your shop with Bruce and just try different things until you find something special.

I used to be one of the guys who wanted a "Mesa Mark" module but you know what? I own 4 modules. I can hold them in my hand. And I can see how small they are. And the idea that you could get enough of a Mark's (or a Bogner, or a Diezel, etc., etc.) circuit in there, WHILE you're sticking to using only 2 or 3 basic board designs, isn't realistic. I understand this. It's not a modeller after all.

That said: What would REALLY be cool is if you continued along the lines of what you did with Ty. Get a pro to come in and lend his ears to designing a module within the Egnater framework. You get a player and say: "Here's the foundation and these are the variable parts. We can alter this, this and this, but not this. This and this, but not this. Now let's start playing with values and you tell us what you like the best". I think you'll get something truly unique this way. Everything will be Egnater underneath with someone else's influence on the finish.

I know it's easier said than done. But man, I can only imagine what you might come up with if you had a Holdsworth, Eric Johnson or even someone like Rusty Cooley. Car company's do this to. Chevy put out a Reggie Jackson Camaro in 2006 that he helped design.

You'd be the only kid on the block with that toy.

Dave

We just cannot get anyone to be interested in doing this option of pro player come in and do it. We did it to a certain extent with Nuno on his amp..he had no interest in modular. The problem with having a star module is, the module is what he wants. I want to do modules for what Fazolli wants. Each owner to have what they want. That is the ultimate goal. We start out with what we feel is neutral and very good, for the most part stock works for the majority. I welcome to tweak for individuals but people have assumed we don't do it due to our time constraints and this is partly our fault to having so much on our plate.

 

[guitarslinger]

for what Fazolli wants. having so much on our plate.

Good, Italian food, in a friendly, family environment for a reasonable price.

 

[marvcus]

I welcome to tweak for individuals but people have assumed we don't do it due to our time constraints and this is partly our fault to having so much on our plate.

Thanks for the update. I was one of the ASSumers.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

I welcome to tweak for individuals but people have assumed we don't do it due to our time constraints and this is partly our fault to having so much on our plate.

Thanks for the update. I was one of the ASSumers.

BTW how deep is your Mesa 50/50?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

... we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that.

my erect is going back.. actually just mod the rogue one that showed up and send it to me

What do you want me to do to it?

 

[jmgman69]

Well we license Randall to use the patent. There are items I cannot discuss as to why we cannot do this with others.

I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.

Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!

Sometimes we just need a slap in the fucking head Jeff.We just thought you guys were up to your ass in alligators bro!!!!Will you forgive us

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Well we license Randall to use the patent. There are items I cannot discuss as to why we cannot do this with others.

I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.

Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!

Sometimes we just need a slap in the fucking head Jeff.We just thought you guys were up to your ass in alligators bro!!!!Will you forgive us

We have and we have not. I have made a concious decision to remove myself from the non modular amp line. I will provide my ears in the designs but that is it. With this being said I have free time now to dedicate to what I feel is our (my strength) making your module yours!

 

[jmgman69]

Well we license Randall to use the patent. There are items I cannot discuss as to why we cannot do this with others.

I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.

Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!

Sometimes we just need a slap in the fucking head Jeff.We just thought you guys were up to your ass in alligators bro!!!!Will you forgive us

We have and we have not. I have made a concious decision to remove myself from the non modular amp line. I will provide my ears in the designs but that is it. With this being said I have free time now to dedicate to what I feel is our (my strength) making your module yours!

And I accept

 

[dfrattaroli]

We just cannot get anyone to be interested in doing this option of pro player come in and do it.

Well, if you say that, then we believe you. I think if the Egnater Modular system was better represented to pros, you may not have that difficulty. You don't think Pete Thorn would be interested here? I guess my assumption is you could ship him a bunch of mods for relatively little money and have him participate at his own availability.

The problem with having a star module is, the module is what he wants.

IMHO, I don't see the problem there. In fact, that's EXACTLY what I'd want. Because then, I could sen the mod back to you to darken up this great "Steve Stevens" module just a bit.

I want to do modules for what Fazolli wants.

On a serious note, this is great. I didn't even assume you'd do mods on a regular basis. And man, if you could ever create the sound I hear in my head...

so much on our plate.

Ooh! Lunch time! Go Rangers!!!!

 

[chickenoolie]

What is the protocol for getting mods done - in specific reference to the
respect from other builders concept? If I say to you - I want a module
that sounds like THIS - http://www.mildbreakup.com/VHTsamples.mp3

And the "THIS" just happens to be a guy playing through a VHT....
Or the "THIS" is a guy playing Lenny through a Bruno UG30
Any "respect" problems with that?

Are there any technical or "not this again" problems with this approach?
In general, what's the best way for us to convey what we're looking for?
Clips, layman's descriptions, more technical descriptions, player references?

Again Jeff, I think you are totally spot on for participating in these forums.
The last thing I want to do is come off snarky. (Yes I just used snarky in
a sentence.)

We all want two things...

A cool new sound that puts a smile on our face...

And a small corner of the world in which we can intimately share that deep
and profound joy through our own unique combination of 49 available emoticons.



IMHO - you guys are delivering on both better than anyone else out there.

Thanks
Nick

 

[dfrattaroli]

Yes I just used snarky in
a sentence.

Remember that show, "Snarky and Hutch"?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

What is the protocol for getting mods done - in specific reference to the
respect from other builders concept? If I say to you - I want a module
that sounds like THIS - http://www.mildbreakup.com/VHTsamples.mp3

And the "THIS" just happens to be a guy playing through a VHT....
Or the "THIS" is a guy playing Lenny through a Bruno UG30
Any "respect" problems with that?

Are there any technical or "not this again" problems with this approach?
In general, what's the best way for us to convey what we're looking for?
Clips, layman's descriptions, more technical descriptions, player references?

Again Jeff, I think you are totally spot on for participating in these forums.
The last thing I want to do is come off snarky. (Yes I just used snarky in
a sentence.)

We all want two things...

A cool new sound that puts a smile on our face...

And a small corner of the world in which we can intimately share that deep
and profound joy through our own unique combination of 49 available emoticons.



IMHO - you guys are delivering on both better than anyone else out there.

Thanks
Nick

I hate clips...what guitar, speakers, pickups recording devise, the sony 808 cameras compression rate, etc.

 

[EWSEthan]

I had assumed there was some legal issues involved so I didnt expect the whole MDK thing to happen, but it was fun to think about.

Glad to hear that custom modules are back (or never left?). I do think we all assumed that was not an option through Egnater given how busy you guys are.

Eric, Im assuming you aren't the recipient of those two modules for approval...since they are coming to ME!!!!! Actually Im fairly certain they are NOT coming to me and would bet that the modules in question are going to visit Gretchen in Nebraska.

OK, so Jeff now that thats all our of the way, how long for my custom module that sounds exactly like Chevelle's "This Type of Thinking" record?

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

I had assumed there was some legal issues involved so I didnt expect the whole MDK thing to happen, but it was fun to think about.

Glad to hear that custom modules are back (or never left?). I do think we all assumed that was not an option through Egnater given how busy you guys are.

Eric, Im assuming you aren't the recipient of those two modules for approval...since they are coming to ME!!!!! Actually Im fairly certain they are NOT coming to me and would bet that the modules in question are going to visit Gretchen in Nebraska.

OK, so Jeff now that thats all our of the way, how long for my custom module that sounds exactly like Chevelle's "This Type of Thinking" record?

I will get some of that album downloaded and listen.

 

[marvcus]

I welcome to tweak for individuals but people have assumed we don't do it due to our time constraints and this is partly our fault to having so much on our plate.

Thanks for the update. I was one of the ASSumers.

BTW how deep is your Mesa 50/50?

Mesa says the 2:50 is 13 2/3" deep.

I assume the 50/50 is about that, as well, but I can be more exact tonight if needed.

 

[bscfo1]

Great thread.

Jeff, did Fender, Marshall and Vox ever say that your design would kill their sales? How does Egnater get around those heavyweights regarding legal issues?

Please make more modules - I will buy them.

What kind of modifications other than "brighter or tighter" can you do? I hear a sound in my head..........

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Great thread.

Jeff, did Fender, Marshall and Vox ever say that your design would kill their sales? How does Egnater get around those heavyweights regarding legal issues?

Please make more modules - I will buy them.

What kind of modifications other than "brighter or tighter" can you do? I hear a sound in my head..........

My take is we are small potatos to Fender and Marshall we won't hurt them. Now we try to make a VHT or a Diezel..way smaller market.

 

[aeroic]

I had assumed there was some legal issues involved so I didnt expect the whole MDK thing to happen, but it was fun to think about.

Glad to hear that custom modules are back (or never left?). I do think we all assumed that was not an option through Egnater given how busy you guys are.

Eric, Im assuming you aren't the recipient of those two modules for approval...since they are coming to ME!!!!! Actually Im fairly certain they are NOT coming to me and would bet that the modules in question are going to visit Gretchen in Nebraska.

OK, so Jeff now that thats all our of the way, how long for my custom module that sounds exactly like Chevelle's "This Type of Thinking" record?

LOL. I wonder who the lucky guy will be. Maybe jeff packed them in my Pelican case w/ the E-Rect / EG5 he's sending back to me!!! We shall see! I agree..maybe I'll go find Gretchen's address in Nebraska and steal them from her. Or mabye Mr. Wilson is getting them....But i bet they'll get Lost in Germany!

Uh oh Jeff ...here comes flood for that Mark IV module everyone wants!!! Chevelle uses a Mark IV

Eric

 

[jasco]

Well we license Randall to use the patent. There are items I cannot discuss as to why we cannot do this with others.

I will say this, everyone we have approached about doing a module has made the same statement. It will hurt our amp sales, we are not interested. That pretty much sums it.
What everyone also has forgotten due to our being so busy is that we do offer customization of modules. No one asks! I can provide just about anything to a end user right in house. You want a SL2 tighter or brighter...we can do that. It does not have to be done by an outside "modder". I mean I did the customs for TY...it's no different for Gene, or Eric or whoever.

Bruce and I had this discussion the other day. What is it that people use the internet to ask questions they know if they just asked us would be answered? I know we are busy but when it comes to our products, IE modules the amps...I drop everything. Now figuring out your problem with midi, or bad cables or whatever..ya I might not be that quick to respond. But modules come on I am playing and tweaking on them every day!

Sometimes we just need a slap in the fucking head Jeff.We just thought you guys were up to your ass in alligators bro!!!!Will you forgive us

We have and we have not. I have made a concious decision to remove myself from the non modular amp line. I will provide my ears in the designs but that is it. With this being said I have free time now to dedicate to what I feel is our (my strength) making your module yours!

my 2cents: what I'd like Jeff to spend his time doing, in addition to making new products happen like the power amp, is:

1. modding existing modules for user-specific preferences
2. developing and publishing to module users an ongoing 'library' of common modifications to give us ideas of what is available and what people are digging (I know it's always hard to describe the sound of a modification in words or even with clips, but given how great Egnater's descriptions on the website of the current modules are, I'm optimistic that Bruce and Jeff can find the words to describe the modifications!)
3. developing new modules (whether they are radically different from those in the current line-up, or whether they just represent a memorialized version of a common modification)

- cd (proud M4 owner)