Suhr Reactive Load Vs Two Notes Vs Rockcrusher

GrandmaGirl":2gqhwsx4 said:
petethorn":2gqhwsx4 said:
The Two Notes and Rock Crusher are very similar to loading with the real cab- with slight differences. I have used the TN units to great effect and I think they are terrific and great options, and the Rivera and TN Reload, with their switchable impedance, both get along great with my AC15 at 16 ohms (the AC15 only sounds good on the 16 ohm tap for some reason)....

Ugh, I don't like hearing this. Are you saying that, of all the options you're discussing here, the AC15 only sounds good through the Rivera or the TN Reload with their 16 ohm options? My only amp is an AC15 and I've been gearing up to purchase either the Torpedo Live or the Suhr Reactive Load in order to get good sounds for silent practising and recording, but those two units both have fixed 8 ohm loads, and if the AC15 only sounds good with a 16 ohm load I should obviously go for something else.

In case Mr Thorn doesn't see this: Does anyone else in here have any experience using a Vox AC15 with either the Torpedo Live or the Suhr Reactive Load?

Thanks.

I'm curious about this one also. I was eyeing the Suhr but my primary amp is a 90's Korg era Vox AC15TBX (with the Blue Alnico). I'd like to know what Pete doesn't like about it running into the 8 ohm options? Are his issues with the tone something I could fix down the line? The plan was to run the Suhr into my usual vocal chain which includes a tube pre, a Warm Audio 1176 compressor clone, and then into Warm Audio Pulteq EQ clone. Could the EQ fix the problems Pete thinks are caused by the 8 ohm load?

Any AC15 lovers using the Suhr care to chime in? Or perhaps Pete could chime in again with some more specifics on why he dislikes the AC15 into 8 ohms?

Update: Upon further review my AC15TBX does not even have a ohm switch. It only has an 8 ohm output, so I think I'm going to at least give the Shur a whirl and see what I think about the results.
 
Hmm, I had completely forgotten about the impedance switch on the AC15. That actually makes Pete's comment even more confusing. If you get a chance to test the Suhr box, I'd be grateful if you would post a report. Otherwise, I'm probably just going to get a Pocket Pod. This load box stuff seems very complex.
 
This is an awesome thread.... I eventually need a load box with some decent quality. So thread right here is the make it or break it thread IMHO.

I thought it was a no-brainer TN Reload situation, but the Suhr is taking a slight lead right now.

I only needs a load with out to cab at attenuated volume and the line direct to preamp/DAW.

Keep it coming Gents.
 
Ventura":15ytqvxr said:
This is an awesome thread.... I eventually need a load box with some decent quality. So thread right here is the make it or break it thread IMHO.

I thought it was a no-brainer TN Reload situation, but the Suhr is taking a slight lead right now.

I only needs a load with out to cab at attenuated volume and the line direct to preamp/DAW.

Keep it coming Gents.
Based on your requirements, you're not strictly looking for a load, though, unless you plan on slaving to a power amp before the cab. The Fryette Power Station does both in one (reactive load + power amp in one unit). However, all the Suhr does is provide a line out signal, so you can't go direct to cab. To be clear: neither are true attenuators though like the HotPlate, Aracom, STFU, etc. I have both the Suhr (which I use for direct recording to preamp/DAW) and the PS (which I use for playing a NMV-type amp with a cabinet -- also has a great line out that can be used in conjunction to record direct...and a really nice effects loop as well.)

I can't speak highly enough for either product, though I will be selling my Power Station, because I really don't need or use it anymore, now that I use the Suhr with IRs and the Friedman ASM12.
 
Where was I reading that the new Friedman "Runt" amps will have a built in load.. if it is reactive, hell, spend 700$ more and get a smokin 20 watter!
 
petethorn":ywiidnbw said:
I have them all- Two Notes Live and Reload, Rockcrusher Recording, Suhr Reactive load, Aracom, Faustine, and some resistive ones (Komet Airbrake, Hotplate)... I have have used and tested them all extensively in my studio. I've also compared them all to loading with a real cab. In other words- I wasn't listening to the cab I was loading with, it was isolated in my live room, I was listening to the line out, into an IR in my computer, and then I'd disconnect the cab load and hook up each load box (or attenuator ) and could directly compare the sound of the loads that way to loading with the real cab (a /13 4-12" loaded with Greenbacks). I listened while playing and also recorded the results so I could listen back and really scrutinize.

I'm not going to rate them all against one another, but the most accurate sonically to loading to a real cab is the Suhr. It's basically indistinguishable from loading with a cab- the amp sounds/responds the same as with a 4-12" with greenbacks as the load. It's something you can measure as well and see on a scope. The others are really great as well, the closest sonically and measurement wise to a real cab as load is the Suhr. Yes I'm obviously a Suhr endorser but I also have great relationships with Rivera, Two Notes etc and I'm not here to blow smoke up anyone's ass- take it for what it's worth, I'm giving you the straight dope.

The Two Notes and Rock Crusher are very similar to loading with the real cab- with slight differences. I have used the TN units to great effect and I think they are terrific and great options, and the Rivera and TN Reload, with their switchable impedance, both get along great with my AC15 at 16 ohms (the AC15 only sounds good on the 16 ohm tap for some reason).... I plan on using them lots in the future and I also want to get the Fryette Power Station and give that a whirl.

The resistive loads all sound more midrangey and not as open. It's just the nature of the design... they don't have the high end rise and low resonant peak, that a cab has, or a reactive load designed to mimic a cab. Which isn't to say they suck, they just don't sound the same. You could hook up an EQ pedal and mimic some of what's changing using the resistive load, and I've done this and gotten good tones. My five minute lessons vol. 1/2 on my youtube were done this way (SL68-Hotplate-MXR EQ pedal_Matrilx power amp to reamp, into a 1-12" mic'd), I liked the tone lots.

Obviously the various units have various features and are at different price points, that will make them more or less attractive to different end users, for example the Two Notes Live also serves as an IR host, has digital out, is rack mountable, etc etc, it's a very well designed, elegant useful box. The Rivera also functions as an attenuator and has analog speaker simulation which may appeal to some dudes more than IR's... etc etc. The Suhr is the most inexpensive reactive box and is bare bones simple- it is really designed to be simple andsonically impeccable and for the recording guitarist mainly, although if you incorporate some other gear you can obviously load and reamp, etc.

So- it's not as easy as "which one's better?". It's "which one's better for YOU?"... at the price point you like, and with the feature set you need.

Incidentally, I wrote my Premier Guitar column on this subject this month, here's the link:

https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/2 ... and-reamps

Hi Pete,
I'm a big fan of your work and a follower of your youtube channel.
I know this is a very old thread but I need your expert opinion.
I’m in the market for a loadbox and I’ve narrowed down my options to the Palmer PDI-03 and the Suhr Reactive Load.
I’m aware that the Palmer is a superior product but I want to know your opinion about the Palmer PDI-03 with Impulse Responses regarding feel and sound.
Where I live (Portugal) the Palmer unit is way cheaper than the Suhr (about 200 USD) and I’m on a tight budget.
Thank you very much and keep on with your amazing work.
 
The TN torpedo live has been my go to for the past 12mths.
Sounds much better with using the Ownhammer IRs compared to stock in my opinion.

My Diezel VH4 clip I posted last week was done with the torpedo live with ownhammer v30 cab/ marshall cab.

https://soundcloud.com/user-634306108/elk-050117

I can actually get a better and more direct tone this way than i can micing a cab.
 
The Suhr sounds fantastic to my ears, but I'm still looking for something a bit easier to lug around, like a rack unit, so the Two Notes appeals to me. I'm worried that it'll sound different to what I've already got (Suhr RL and Torpedo CAB with Redwirez IRs). I understand that IRs will sound the same, but the load - according to Pete's demo, sounds different to my ears and I prefer the Suhr.

Has anyone tried both and still use the Torpedo Live?

Cheers
 
danyeo":1eqtoale said:
Thanks for info gents. I'm reading up on all these units. It seems like they ALL do a good job. I do like the idea of having 1 unit do silent recording as well as act like an attenuator. The one thing I don't like about the Rockcrusher is with the EQ, I know I would be screwing with it too much and just never be happy and blame myself. I'd rather just use a good sounding IR and be done with it.

Now this Power Station.....it's an attenuator, a power amp, AND you can use it for silent recording as well?


Yes the PS does it all, plus an effect loop. To me it is the most useful of the options because it does so much. I bought it mostly for the attenuation, but it is works great for silent recording, to make a little amp big, silent playing , recording and would be great with simple circuits that don't have a loop. Love this thing!
 
Jdub":yalyg0r9 said:
danyeo":yalyg0r9 said:
Thanks for info gents. I'm reading up on all these units. It seems like they ALL do a good job. I do like the idea of having 1 unit do silent recording as well as act like an attenuator. The one thing I don't like about the Rockcrusher is with the EQ, I know I would be screwing with it too much and just never be happy and blame myself. I'd rather just use a good sounding IR and be done with it.

Now this Power Station.....it's an attenuator, a power amp, AND you can use it for silent recording as well?


Yes the PS does it all, plus an effect loop. To me it is the most useful of the options because it does so much. I bought it mostly for the attenuation, but it is works great for silent recording, to make a little amp big, silent playing , recording and would be great with simple circuits that don't have a loop. Love this thing!
Yeah I have the PS1; great product for sure. The taper on the volume is so smooth!
 
K... I'm sold. Just picked up the Suhr Reactive Load and the Ownhammer Studio Mix Collection (already have the RedWirez). Bottle Rocket clips to come...

Steve
 
sah5150":18e3tqr0 said:
K... I'm sold. Just picked up the Suhr Reactive Load and the Ownhammer Studio Mix Collection (already have the RedWirez). Bottle Rocket clips to come...

Steve
Yeah I'm running the same right now, except I have the OwnHammers loaded in my Helix and out to a couple of Friedman ASMs. :rock:
 
Bronco":2qu5tgus said:
sah5150":2qu5tgus said:
K... I'm sold. Just picked up the Suhr Reactive Load and the Ownhammer Studio Mix Collection (already have the RedWirez). Bottle Rocket clips to come...

Steve
Yeah I'm running the same right now, except I have the OwnHammers loaded in my Helix and out to a couple of Friedman ASMs. :rock:
Nice!

Steve
 
sah5150":3ublhr2r said:
K... I'm sold. Just picked up the Suhr Reactive Load and the Ownhammer Studio Mix Collection (already have the RedWirez). Bottle Rocket clips to come...

Steve

Nice! I'm not familiar with the Studio Mix, but dig the Ownhammer Heavy Hitters pack. The Orange V30/57 folder is pure gold IMO.

:thumbsup:
 
Cracking this topic back open again... to the point about a good preamp, that makes a diff to my ears as well (when your output from load box or line out goes into a preamp that isn't the one on your interface to your daw). I had purchased the ownhammer impulse pack before so I was experimenting a week back and to me this was def the best tones I had gotten with these. On load, the hotplate robs the highs and detail. However, when using my Hotplate down to -8db so the signal was still flowing to the speaker so that i could track and feel the amp and my legs while the DI was captured for the impulse.

So the big question I would have is, we know load affects the tone when using IR's but how about gradual attenuation? I would think it would have to as well in some regards but it might be minimal the first few db clicks down.... therefore, a lot of people might already have what they need to do this without more gear. It always gets mentioned around here to just put a 1x12 face down in a closet wrapped in moving blankets. Might be a solution...
 
Kapo_Polenton":2y8o1g06 said:
Cracking this topic back open again... to the point about a good preamp, that makes a diff to my ears as well (when your output from load box or line out goes into a preamp that isn't the one on your interface to your daw). I had purchased the ownhammer impulse pack before so I was experimenting a week back and to me this was def the best tones I had gotten with these. On load, the hotplate robs the highs and detail. However, when using my Hotplate down to -8db so the signal was still flowing to the speaker so that i could track and feel the amp and my legs while the DI was captured for the impulse.

So the big question I would have is, we know load affects the tone when using IR's but how about gradual attenuation? I would think it would have to as well in some regards but it might be minimal the first few db clicks down.... therefore, a lot of people might already have what they need to do this without more gear. It always gets mentioned around here to just put a 1x12 face down in a closet wrapped in moving blankets. Might be a solution...

As for people already having what they need, I was reading just the other day about people using the preamp out of the amp (for amps like the 5153 that have the preamp out) straight to the interface with IR's... or use the send fx straight to the interface with IR's and to put a 1/4 inch headphone adapter in to the fx return to kill hum/noise.. with both methods keep the cab plugged in but nothing will come out of the speaker. I may try this with my 5153 preamp out just to see how it would sound.
 
Wouldn't that affect the tone of the amp though? I mean part of the appeal is that you can also get the poweramp involved in the sound when using IR's? I find the sound fills out so nicely as you edge out the master volume and the sound of the output tubes cookin comes into the speaker.
 
jonthomas83":ivw0szru said:
The Suhr sounds fantastic to my ears, but I'm still looking for something a bit easier to lug around, like a rack unit, so the Two Notes appeals to me. I'm worried that it'll sound different to what I've already got (Suhr RL and Torpedo CAB with Redwirez IRs). I understand that IRs will sound the same, but the load - according to Pete's demo, sounds different to my ears and I prefer the Suhr.

Has anyone tried both and still use the Torpedo Live?

Cheers

I sold my SRL and Torpedo C.A.B. after I bought my Torpedo Live. In a perfect world (surplus $$$) I would have kept the SRL to have an easy way to get a dry guitar sound into my computer (and use the speaker sims in the computer and be able to try them out). The Torpedo Live allows this, but requires a setting change. In a direct comparison between the Suhr RL (using the Live's Speaker sims), the Live, and using my Mesa 412 Traditional cab as the load, and using a line out of the amp into the Live for cab sims, I preferred the cab as a load (so not silent in the room) then the Live, then the SRL. You can hear my recordings here.

https://soundcloud.com/user-344581039/t ... hrampclean

https://soundcloud.com/user-344581039/t ... hrampdirty

Please excuse the flubs.
First set of sounds is the Torpedo Live, then SRL->Live, then cab as a load and amp Slave send to the Live.
Amp is my Mesa Roadster, with stock Traditional/Stiletto 412 cab on channel 3 vintage. The Live's cab sim was set to the CaliStd setting.
 
JMMP":sly9iq15 said:
jonthomas83":sly9iq15 said:
The Suhr sounds fantastic to my ears, but I'm still looking for something a bit easier to lug around, like a rack unit, so the Two Notes appeals to me. I'm worried that it'll sound different to what I've already got (Suhr RL and Torpedo CAB with Redwirez IRs). I understand that IRs will sound the same, but the load - according to Pete's demo, sounds different to my ears and I prefer the Suhr.

Has anyone tried both and still use the Torpedo Live?

Cheers

I sold my SRL and Torpedo C.A.B. after I bought my Torpedo Live. In a perfect world (surplus $$$) I would have kept the SRL to have an easy way to get a dry guitar sound into my computer (and use the speaker sims in the computer and be able to try them out). The Torpedo Live allows this, but requires a setting change. In a direct comparison between the Suhr RL (using the Live's Speaker sims), the Live, and using my Mesa 412 Traditional cab as the load, and using a line out of the amp into the Live for cab sims, I preferred the cab as a load (so not silent in the room) then the Live, then the SRL. You can hear my recordings here.

https://soundcloud.com/user-344581039/t ... hrampclean



https://soundcloud.com/user-344581039/t ... hrampdirty

Please excuse the flubs.
First set of sounds is the Torpedo Live, then SRL->Live, then cab as a load and amp Slave send to the Live.
Amp is my Mesa Roadster, with stock Traditional/Stiletto 412 cab on channel 3 vintage. The Live's cab sim was set to the CaliStd setting.

I found your results interesting because it is clear that the last soundclip (being the cab as the load) is easily the best sounding. The second being the Suhr, sounded better than the first but the third was miles ahead. To be fair though, I think ownhammer and now celestion have much better sounding impulses but there is no doubt in your tests, that the speaker load with sound in the room was best. How loud was the speaker set in the room? Did you have it attenuated any?
 
It depends which speakers you listen to the results through ;)

The volume on the roadster did not change between the three clips. In the room was loud, but tolerable, about 110dB, if my memory serves me right. It was not attenuated at all.

I did not adjust eq, so it is likely the roadster was still set for my preferred tone with the speaker cab, and that eq curve didn't act as well with the two silent loads.
 
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