The Pickup Seymour Wound For Van halen

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lll":2h1eemab said:
To test my theory, I decided to find as old an SH-5 that I could on Ebay at the time.
I also bought a new SH-5.
I used Voxengo CurveEQ and captured the freq response for both.
With maybe two very very slight frequency exceptions, they matched.
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lll":2h1eemab said:
From what I've heard, ceramic mags do not weaken over time, but AlNiCo mags do. So old pickups with AlNiCos just
might actually change tone over the years.

But yeah, I tried to get a really old SH-5 (as that SD "VAN HALEN" pickup advertisement was from 1979); figuring
the closer I got to '77 (when 1st VH album was recorded), the closer in tone the SH-5 would be. Turns out
in this case for this particular pickup it doesn't matter.
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Ok, but then how do you explain my 1979 custom being only 13.4K and all the newer ones are wound to 14.1K or higher?
The custom i has was bought when that ad was in GP magazine.
Unlike you and chubtone when i A/B'ed my old one from 79 to a newer one and even a DCJ from the 80's the one from 79 DOES sound different, enough to make a difference ;)
The DCJ i bought is 13.9K and the newer SH-5 is 14.3K,
My old one from 1979 sounds a lot more like a hot PAF than the newer ones, it is more open and warmer and does not have as much output.
this is what the bottom looks like,it has a "Seymourized" sticker on it and just says Duncan custom
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I'm reading Van Halen Rising
and I gott say it is definitely the fingers
:lol: :LOL:
 
mixohoytian":1qsnn7m0 said:
I'm reading Van Halen Rising
and I gott say it is definitely the fingers
:lol: :LOL:
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:D yeah true but there are a few i have heard that have those "fingers"
rockstah mark a,leotis and mike himmel all do a really good job at getting the tone and
have the fingers.
this really impressed me, https://youtu.be/j211mJ7aRSw?t=54s :rock:
 
VH1 sounds like a Super 70's pickup to me .
Put a A8 mag in a Duncan 59B and you pretty much have it .
PAF winding , fat and tight sounding tone that still has great string definition .
 
Funny to see all of the trolls come out to bait. Nitro is always entertaining.

Funny how people get so wound up on EVH early tone when honestly it wasn't that great.

(no pun intended) :lol: :LOL:


But seriously even Eddie said it himself and I'm a huge EVH fan. Huge.
 
Some of us are dead serious about it.

Here's my entries - I'm calling it the SD Custom as well.

Guitar Player Oct '79 I snagged off e-bay:

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Clips don't lie, either. Guitar loaded with a pre-1983 Custom.

 
Seems like it wasn't Ronnie Montrose's Bandmaster for VH1 (maybe it still was) but Ronnie Montrose's Marshall head.

Ted Templeman said that Ed borrowed Ronnie Montrose's Marshall head for VH1.

"So when i first met the Van halen guys, Ed, he even wanted to borrow Ronnie's marshall top for the album and he did, they loved that band"

At the 2 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQ-SBSabE4&app=desktop

Maybe the Marshall in this clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njBGaBOsbdg
 
thegame":2sbmghlr said:
Rocksoff":2sbmghlr said:
Maybe the Marshall in this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njBGaBOsbdg
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Wow, that sounds an awful lot like VH1, being played by someone else, hence some tonal variation. It sounds closer to VH1 than most early VH live bootlegs.
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Yeah, that might be the VH1 amp that some EVH fans drool over.

Some things Ronnie is playing sound very much like it and it's not lacking in power either.

Seems like EVH borrowed Ronnie's Marshall head for VH1 and maybe played some clubs with it at around that time before he gave it back.

VHII is EVH's amp.

I can't find any info on Ronnie's Marshall head.

Ronnie seems to have used his Bandmaster and this Marshall head for Montrose and EVH wanted and borrowed the Marshall head for VH1 because of Montrose and Ted Templeman's connections to it.
 
Rocksoff":1lsdao0h said:
Seems like it wasn't Ronnie Montrose's Bandmaster for VH1 (maybe it still was) but Ronnie Montrose's Marshall head.

Ted Templeman said that Ed borrowed Ronnie Montrose's Marshall head for VH1.

"So when i first met the Van halen guys, Ed, he even wanted to borrow Ronnie's marshall top for the album and he did, they loved that band"
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ronnie used a 50 watt right?
 
Regardless of what Templeman said (and maybe Ed really did use that 50 watter), this whole "Montrose amp yarn" is just
the latest turd-nugget pooped out by the Metroamp forumite clowns.

Yep, this is their latest "find".

2 years from now, they'll re-visit it again and act all surprised at the "new find" all over again.

That's what they do: rehash everything on a few-year schedule to attempt to generate outside interest in George's amps.

The funny part of it is they only rehash it to themselves... which amounts to nothing but a circle jerk with one hand clapping.
 
charvelstrat81":wc48ffkz said:
lll":wc48ffkz said:
To test my theory, I decided to find as old an SH-5 that I could on Ebay at the time.
I also bought a new SH-5.
I used Voxengo CurveEQ and captured the freq response for both.
With maybe two very very slight frequency exceptions, they matched.
Click to expand...


lll":wc48ffkz said:
From what I've heard, ceramic mags do not weaken over time, but AlNiCo mags do. So old pickups with AlNiCos just
might actually change tone over the years.

But yeah, I tried to get a really old SH-5 (as that SD "VAN HALEN" pickup advertisement was from 1979); figuring
the closer I got to '77 (when 1st VH album was recorded), the closer in tone the SH-5 would be. Turns out
in this case for this particular pickup it doesn't matter.
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Ok, but then how do you explain my 1979 custom being only 13.4K and all the newer ones are wound to 14.1K or higher?
The custom i has was bought when that ad was in GP magazine.
Unlike you and chubtone when i A/B'ed my old one from 79 to a newer one and even a DCJ from the 80's the one from 79 DOES sound different, enough to make a difference ;)
The DCJ i bought is 13.9K and the newer SH-5 is 14.3K,
My old one from 1979 sounds a lot more like a hot PAF than the newer ones, it is more open and warmer and does not have as much output.
this is what the bottom looks like,it has a "Seymourized" sticker on it and just says Duncan custom
sg_duncan.jpg
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Definetly i nice pup you have but i can tell you with a degree in Electronics between the strings, pup, amp & speakers the human ear cannot honestly tell the difference of .4 tenths DC resistance with any degree of certainty.

And even meter to meter it would vary +/-.

Its subjective.
 
Chester Nimitz":3ei5ggtj said:
Definetly i nice pup you have but i can tell you with a degree in Electronics between the strings, pup, amp & speakers the human ear cannot honestly tell the difference of .4 tenths DC resistance with any degree of certainty.

And even meter to meter it would vary +/-.

Its subjective.
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Fair enough but then why does my older one sound different from the newer one i have?
The ceramic magnet is not subjective to degaussing(weakening) like alnico magnets do so that's not it?
Maybe Seymour changed the winding pattern somewhat after eddie complained and had him remove his name from that ad?
This also applies to older dimarzio super distortions which also sound different then the newer ones
Myself and many others have compared the newer super d's to the old 70's ones and the old ones
sound different? and once again the resistances are different, newer supers are 14.2K and older ones are at 13.5K.
you think it is a lack of wax potting on the older pu's?
 
charvelstrat81":212qt2au said:
Chester Nimitz":212qt2au said:
Definetly i nice pup you have but i can tell you with a degree in Electronics between the strings, pup, amp & speakers the human ear cannot honestly tell the difference of .4 tenths DC resistance with any degree of certainty.

And even meter to meter it would vary +/-.

Its subjective.
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Fair enough but then why does my older one sound different from the newer one i have?
The ceramic magnet is not subjective to degaussing(weakening) like alnico magnets do so that's not it?
Maybe Seymour changed the winding pattern somewhat after eddie complained and had him remove his name from that ad?
This also applies to older dimarzio super distortions which also sound different then the newer ones
Myself and many others have compared the newer super d's to the old 70's ones and the old ones
sound different? and once again the resistances are different, newer supers are 14.2K and older ones are at 13.5K.
you think it is a lack of wax potting on the older pu's?
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Hey man i'm on your side a guitar tech of mine introduced me to the SH-5 Duncan Custom in the 90's and its my main pickup for rock/hard rock.

I have or have had the Custom/59 combo in a dozen guitars and its my favorite.

And i have a beat to shit Custom, the first one that dewd gave me way back when and it sounds the best of all of them.

There's definitely something to it. :thumbsup:

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311splawndude":3vtld50e said:
Funny to see all of the trolls come out to bait. Nitro is always entertaining.

Funny how people get so wound up on EVH early tone when honestly it wasn't that great.

(no pun intended) :lol: :LOL:


But seriously even Eddie said it himself and I'm a huge EVH fan. Huge.
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He`s been starting the same thread on a half dozen different forums for the last 10 years and everyone still takes the bait , myself included I guess
 
Chester Nimitz":tiallp9f said:
There's definitely something to it. :thumbsup:

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Agree - EVH or not, the Custom simply kicks ass no matter what you're playing.
 
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