The right Wizard model for me.

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* velcro-fly * said:
Its only Saturday, there's still one more day in the week (this week anyway) to change your mind :ROFLMAO: Love ya Dude :rock:
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Never gonna happen brother. After 4 1/2 decades and trying all the hyped amps and fancy this and that, wandering down one path after another in search of something "better", I always come back to Marshalls. Every single time! You have seen it time and time again. It will always be fun to try new things but nothing beats a good Marshall for me personally. SLO is up there too, but if push comes to shove, I will take a Marshall. Have an awesome trip to Mexico and hope you score some epic surf!.:geek:
 
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Jdub said:
Never gonna happen brother. After 4 1/2 decades and trying all the hyped amps and fancy this and that, wandering down one path after another in search of something "better", I always come back to Marshalls. Every single time! You have seen it time and time again. It will always be fun to try new things but nothing beats a good Marshall for me personally. SLO is up there too, but if push comes to shove, I will take a Marshall. Have an awesome trip to Mexico and hope you score some epic surf!.:geek:
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Love me some Marshall, but unless you've tried a Larry I don't wanna hear about them not measuring up to a vintage marshall 😂😂😂
 
DanTravis62 said:
Love me some Marshall, but unless you've tried a Larry I don't wanna hear about them not measuring up to a vintage marshall 😂😂😂
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Then wear earplugs.:cool: But in all seriousness, this thread was a bout which Wizard to buy, ( if any). Personally I wouldn't buy one again, unless it was cheap and would not recommend someone to buy one unless they can try it first. Especially since the OP is in Brazil and will likely take a bath in shipping and customs fees so he will ultimately loose his ass if and when he wants to sell it. Many people sell their Wizards after the honeymoon, including myself. I find Marshalls much more pleasing to my ear. But as I said to each his own. I used to get sucked into the chase for tone but all paths lead me to the same conclusion. Regarding a Larry, I am sure they sound good, but they are all just amps. No-one is reinventing the wheel! Marshall for dirt, Fender for clean. If you're gay or gender confused, get a Vox. :ROFLMAO: If it ain't broke, don't mess with it. My opinion..
 
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Then wear earplugs.:cool: But in all seriousness, this thread was a bout which Wizard to buy, ( if any). Personally I wouldn't buy one again, unless it was cheap and would not recommend someone to buy one unless they can try it first. Especially since the OP is in Brazil and will likely take a bath in shipping and customs fees so he will ultimately loose his ass if and when he wants to sell it. Many people sell their Wizards after the honeymoon, including myself. I find Marshalls much more pleasing to my ear. But as I said to each his own. I used to get sucked into the chase for tone but all paths lead me to the same conclusion. Regarding a Larry, I am sure they sound good, but they are all just amps. No-one is reinventing the wheel! Marshall for dirt, Fender for clean. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it. My opinion..
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They are certainly all amps, but all amps are not created equal, that's for sure 🤷
 
Jdub said:
Then wear earplugs.:cool: But in all seriousness, this thread was a bout which Wizard to buy, ( if any). Personally I wouldn't buy one again, unless it was cheap and would not recommend someone to buy one unless they can try it first. Especially since the OP is in Brazil and will likely take a bath in shipping and customs fees so he will ultimately loose his ass if and when he wants to sell it. Many people sell their Wizards after the honeymoon, including myself. I find Marshalls much more pleasing to my ear. But as I said to each his own. I used to get sucked into the chase for tone but all paths lead me to the same conclusion. Regarding a Larry, I am sure they sound good, but they are all just amps. No-one is reinventing the wheel! Marshall for dirt, Fender for clean. If it ain't broke, don't mess with it. My opinion..
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Preach brotha, preach!
 
DanTravis62 said:
They are certainly all amps, but all amps are not created equal, that's for sure 🤷
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I agree with that. However most are a derivative or attempted improvement on what are still widely considered to be the standards by which others are measured. Marshall,Fender, Vox. There are tons of good amps to be had, but with the advent in technology such as the Fryette Powerstaion etc that allow people to get these classics in the zone without killing anything within 500 yards, why bother, other than for the thrill of the chase?
Funny story, you may or may not know of or recall the Jim Wygle Purplexi. It was all the hype about 20 years ago. (Back when these now way overpriced Wizards could be had for about 1800.00 tops. ) I had a prototype, and I literally killed my wife's bird with it... this was before good attenuators :ROFLMAO: ..That amp was only half as good as I had hoped and went to back to Jimmy, the builder, and then to George Lynch. But the point is, you don't have to kill you ears( or pets) to get a good old fashioned amp to deliver the magic and most of these derivatives are just that. They attempt to give you the classic tones we know and love with more modern features such as loops, boosts, and tamed volume. No need for any of those "upgrades" anymore. IMO. YMMV.(y)(y)
 
RaceU4her said:
This is the main reason I haven’t taken the plunge on one, the turnaround rate on these amps is crazy to me given their status, there are multiple wizards for sale here alone on any given day.
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Exactly! Yet they are fewer and fewer Marshalls for sale every day. I am seeing Wizards getting dumped almost immediately upon receipt brand new. Even though they sound amazing and are the best 5000 amp ever? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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mhenson42 said:
Maybe because Marshall hasn’t made a decent amp in 30+ years?
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Hahhaha. Yeah that makes sense.... The fact that there are tens of thousands of Marshalls or more out there made between 1967 and 1987, but few are for sale relatively speaking, compared to a couple thousand at most Wizards in production ever, yet they pop up every day. Good logic Einstein.(y):unsure:
 
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Jdub said:
I agree with that. However most are a derivative or attempted improvement on what are still widely considered to be the standards by which others are measured. Marshall,Fender, Vox. There are tons of good amps to be had, but with the advent in technology such as the Fryette Powerstaion etc that allow people to get these classics in the zone without killing anything within 500 yards, why bother, other than for the thrill of the chase?
Funny story, you may or may not know of or recall the Jim Wygle Purplexi. It was all the hype about 20 years ago. (Back when these now way overpriced Wizards could be had for about 1800.00 tops. ) I had a prototype, and I literally killed my wife's bird with it... this was before good attenuators :ROFLMAO: ..That amp was only half as good as I had hoped and went to back to Jimmy, the builder, and then to George Lynch. But the point is, you don't have to kill you ears( or pets) to get a good old fashioned amp to deliver the magic and most of these derivatives are just that. They attempt to give you the classic tones we know and love with more modern features such as loops, boosts, and tamed volume. No need for any of those "upgrades" anymore. IMO. YMMV.(y)(y)
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That sounds like you haven't actually experienced any amps that are trying for their OWN tones

Just amps that are trying to recreate "the glory years"

In that case, it's no wonder you prefer the amps from the aforementioned "glory years" 🤷
 
Racerxrated said:
This is a very interesting post; which reminds me of a conversation I had about 12 years ago with a friend of mine who owned the local music shop(it was like the 'barbershop' for musicians lol) and back in the mid-late 80s was the GP for a pretty popular local HR band that would eventually shop their demo in LA; he's got pics of him and Doug Aldrich hanging out haha. Anyway he played mostly NMV Marshalls like you George and of course ran them cranked all night. I was getting frustrated with my 2204 'changing it's tone' at some (not all) gigs and was dumbfounded as to what caused it. Well, he said it was the wall voltage between clubs and the fact that I probably had my selector on 110. Which was exactly the case lol. Most of our voltages are 120 or even more; I was stressing the PT out keeping it at 110. He also said that he used a spendy voltage regulator since he experienced the same but worse change in tone with his NMV 70s Marshalls. The Vintage Marshall PTs were not designed for over 110v and that over time running them at 120v plug in voltage would stress, tone would change and eventually take out the PTs. Which is one reason why you see many NMV Marshalls with replacement PTs.
If I ever gig with either of my NMV Marshalls the variac comes with.
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Yeah I agree the higher line voltage is an issue for the early ones. My 69 Metalface runs over 520pv at 125. Ive been variacing that one down to 110. Really mostly all my older amps now.

I think I told you about these before. My ‘69 plexi is the one I used for many years. The bias winding went out in it’s PT…my ‘68 Supertrem’s PT has started smoking, so it is still waiting to get rewound.
 
DanTravis62 said:
That sounds like you haven't actually experienced any amps that are trying for their OWN tones

Just amps that are trying to recreate "the glory years"

In that case, it's no wonder you prefer the amps from the aforementioned "glory years" 🤷
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These goddamned emotionally unstable white collar sissies. Everyone loved marshall sound so much.that 90% of the ones still in existence were modded by someone that didn't like the sound of it..
 
Jdub said:
Hahhaha. Yeah that makes sense.... The fact that there are tens of thousands of Marshalls or more out there made between 1967 and 1987, but few are for sale relatively speaking, compared to a couple thousand at most Wizards in production ever, yet they pop up every day. Good logic Einstein.(y):unsure:
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Most probably aren’t functional I’m guessing. Or modded beyond what they were.
 
panhead said:
A good NMV Marshall , you can feel it as well as hear it when its cranked. Those amp compress in a way that actually makes them very easy to play once you get used to the volume. I think some are actually scared to go there. :unsure: Most other amps do not compare once you have gone there.
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You will feel a Wizard, no doubt about that. The compression is one thing with Marshalls, (well any amp) I don‘t like.
 
DanTravis62 said:
That sounds like you haven't actually experienced any amps that are trying for their OWN tones

Just amps that are trying to recreate "the glory years"

In that case, it's no wonder you prefer the amps from the aforementioned "glory years"
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What would those amps you think I may have missed? Some of my meanderings have included but not limited to Engl, Wizard, Egnater ( the early TOL pre rocktron is killer btw), /13, Fuchs, Bruno. Komet, Bogner, Aiken, Supro, Mesa, Carol Ann, Cornford, Diezel, Peavey, Friedman, VHT, Wygle, etc etc. Lots of great stuff in that list and some lemons too.
 
Greazygeo said:
Yeah I agree the higher line voltage is an issue for the early ones. My 69 Metalface runs over 520pv at 125. Ive been variacing that one down to 110. Really mostly all my older amps now.

I think I told you about these before. My ‘69 plexi is the one I used for many years. The bias winding went out in it’s PT…my ‘68 Supertrem’s PT has started smoking, so it is still waiting to get rewound.
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I don't know a lot about it, so forgive my ignorance. But can't you replace the power transformer without losing the tone? Isn't it just the output transformer, or is the power transformer part of the sag?
 
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