Thinking of going low gain

I guess when you have gain stages, you can have a clean but if you dig in or hit that godamn volume too much, it becomes pushed..so it loses the feel.
 
MadAsAHatter said:
@Smash This is probably the bet advice you can get. I'll add that what you'll prefer is gong to depend on the tone stack used as well; which basically looking at what Dan said here from a different angle
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Smash said:
that is very insightful. I was playing my MGL with the volume reduced (volume pedal), and I finally got the dynamics that a lot of guys get with a clean amp. With a lot of gain, you get compressed and so you miss the ability to manipulate your sound with the lightly playing vs digging in thing. It is important for what I am trying to do here. I need to strum a chord but be able to dig in to get a crunch. I can go from "clean" to "fucking mean" now. I just can't go from Clean to Crunch
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Yep 100%, it's more about specific circuits with vintage amps

IE the bassman/bandmaster ab163 tone, The SSS dumble sound, etc

You'll probably have to plug in to a few of these to get a feel for what youre looking for

I would suggest watching some youtube videos and see what sticks out to you, then deep dive that amp/circuit, and figure out what your options are

From what you're describing, about digging in, I would say a lower power fender (like a deluxe reverb), a vox AC style (like a tophat or matchless), or a hiwatt at high volume can all do what youre talking about.

The problem is that they all FEEL completely different, and it's going to matter about your playing and your hands to see if you jive with it
 
DanTravis62 said:
@Smash if you want to dip a toe in the clean tone world, I would try a few amps before buying.

There's fender style, VOX style, hiwatt style, and a handful of other popular ones, and they all sound and react really differently to one another.

If you like the fender style, a vintage silverface fender (of whatever wattage/gain level suits you) or a Boogie cali tweed are the best options IMO

If you like Vox style, there are a million options, but for relatively inexpensive stuff the TopHat are the best bang for buck IMO

If you like hiwatts, you gotta go big or go home unfortunately

I would avoid the digital stuff for clean pedal platforms unless you wanna play Cure covers - in that case, buy a Roland Jazz clean


Edit: watch some youtube videos of people playing these different types of amps, with different types of guitars.

Hiwatt



Fender/Cali tweed



Vox

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fuck dan, it ain't looking good. All those besides the hiwatt turned me off
 
Smash said:
fuck dan, it ain't looking good. All those besides the hiwatt turned me off
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there's a reason I built one. They're stupid expensive, stupid loud, and stupid good sounding

You can only get crunch out of them when they're really, really loud though

Like i'm talking about hearing damage loud
 
Smash said:
How good/bad is it? @VonBonfire how you feel about this thing?
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If you are being serious:

I can recommend you a Mesa Boogie Single Rectifier Rect-o-verb. It has a dedicated clean channel that is not at all like it's big brothers the Dual and Triple. I like the cleans on mine and it has a toggle mode for 'clean' and 'pushed'. So outside of the channel popping issue it should suit well for a clean to crunch gigging amp.


Smash said:
I have recently been bullied by a youtuber, and possibly this is just reeling from that. But i am thinking of grabbing a fender twin neo, and making it a pedal platform. The loop is Serial on the Series II and is a fine loop.
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If you are just joking....then












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DanTravis62 said:
there's a reason I built one. They're stupid expensive, stupid loud, and stupid good sounding

You can only get crunch out of them when they're really, really loud though

Like i'm talking about hearing damage loud
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311splawndude said:
If you are being serious:

I can recommend you a Mesa Boogie Single Rectifier Rect-o-verb. It has a dedicated clean channel that is not at all like it's big brothers the Dual and Triple. I like the cleans on mine and it has a toggle mode for 'clean' and 'pushed'. So outside of the channel popping issue it should suit well for a clean to crunch gigging amp.




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I am joking about everything in this post besides the clean amp. I have been thinking of getting one for awhile. I don't know that I could be bullied. But I would be down to try. That picture is worth a thousand likes.

But yeah. I want my tone to be cleaner than a sunday school teacher on bathnight.
 
Smash said:
I have recently been bullied by a youtuber, and possibly this is just reeling from that. But i am thinking of grabbing a fender twin neo, and making it a pedal platform.

How good/bad is it? @VonBonfire how you feel about this thing?
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I can't guide you in your tone quest but it sounds like you need a versatile gigging arrangment.

They are cheap and I know a reasonable priced, high quality tech down in San Marcos that worked on both of mine multiple times over the past 8 years. Ex army radio repair man. Older guy. Does good work, isn't far off I-35.. He'd probably build anything you wanted actually. He likes doing bluesbreakers and working on vintage stuff.

If you want really cheap I think there is an HD130 Music Man head for $600 on Austin CL right now but gigging a head/cab arrangement sucks.

For a man with your love of power lifting a Twin is truly a lightweight, portable combo that earns gig cash plus can provide a workout after the show. A set of tung sol 6L6GC STR's is pretty badass and will put you at half stack volume levels if required.Truthfully the JJ's have also been great and very reliable but my tech recommended those Tung Sols so I put a set in my 69 and they have great punch and volume. Twin with some EVM12's will take you anywhere your pedals will. I have Force 12's in one of mine and some Eminence PF-350's in the other that are still a decade from full break in, lol. I seem to have blown every JBL I've gotten my hands on but I haven't gotten any E series yet.

If nothing else you get a great clean sound you can piss people on rig talk off bragging about, lol

Here you go, even has one of the EV's already it looks like. I paid the same for my '69 at a shop on a trade. I'll bet you could do cash 1k 1.1k....he'd be a fool not to take it but it probably needs some service. I'd recap everything out the gate just cause I try to break mine every time I play it so I like reliable over vintage original. Tools not toys.

https://austin.craigslist.org/msg/d/austin-fender-twin-reverb-68-tube/7810451366.html
 
romanianreaper said:
I've heard great things about those new, lighter, solid state Fender amps.
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I've done all of them so far. My favorite is the Bassman but that video isn't out yet. The Deluxe Reverb was good too. They are all "good" and certainly good enough for me but the Bassman is the first one to have an fx loop.
 
Nashville Riff Co said:
found you your new favorite amp company @Smash

https://amplifiednation.com/

it's TGP Tan Pants Organic DEI Harvest Certified

I'd tell you to also check out the company owners wife, but you'll be more into the owner himself given your new found low gain interest
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Amplified Nation makes great dumble clones, they sound excellent for making elevator music

They're ungodly expensive though
 
GearGasms said:
Hell's yeah! I can tell by the font that it's Dumble-esque. I'm ready to be haunted by it. :)
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give us your best haunting mids face please...its the only way forward :cheers:

DanTravis62 said:
Amplified Nation makes great dumble clones, they sound excellent for making elevator music

They're ungodly expensive though
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well smash is all about elevator music now

.....but seriously click on the about us section and check out the smokeshow and a half
 
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