Triple Recto Rev G vs "C Modded" Rev G

[mesa4x12er]

First off, I'm a total hypocrite because I'm still the dude that chases this shit, whether it be the best revision or best tube or whatever for that little bit extra but sometimes I feel like we're also just chasing imaginary shit. Does one sound better than another? It can for sure. What's funny though is- is it too fuzzy? Less punchy? Not enough XYZ? Too loose? All of this can be handled so easily. Not only can we eliminate (to a high degree) these differences but exceed what's already happening by using things like boosts, EQs etc.

I think we all have some weird obsession with getting things to sound a certain way without having to touch that other stuff. Are we stubborn or just dumb?

 

[BesaMoogie]

Ahhhh, the elusive “in the room tone”, the most selfish and useless tone in existence. It still blows my mind how much people care about this. Should an amp sound good playing by yourself in the room? Sure , of course. But Jesus, how hard is that to do? I could not give a damn about a tone in the room if I can’t get it to a track, the fuck use is it if you can’t hear it in a song?

Dude, the elusive "in the room tone" is the reason why people are still buying and manufacturing real amps. With all the modelers and plugins, you can get all you want for recordings. It maybe does not sound 100% the same, but not worse either, just different.

 

[VESmedic]

Dude, the elusive "in the room tone" is the reason why people are still buying and manufacturing real amps. With all the modelers and plugins, you can get all you want for recordings. It maybe does not sound 100% the same, but not worse either, just different.

I think people are buying and manufacturing real amps because people, my self included, like using real amps lax regardless of how they are using them.

 

[Bxlxaxkxe]

Maybe RT could create a new subforum called Bedroom Tone Elite for folks that have no interest in making music, recording, or being creative in any capacity and want to judge amplifiers like it’s a Thoroughbred Horse Show while removing all responsibility from themselves. Bet it would pop off

 

[GJgo]

First off, I'm a total hypocrite because I'm still the dude that chases this shit, whether it be the best revision or best tube or whatever for that little bit extra but sometimes I feel like we're also just chasing imaginary shit. Does one sound better than another? It can for sure. What's funny though is- is it too fuzzy? Less punchy? Not enough XYZ? Too loose? All of this can be handled so easily. Not only can we eliminate (to a high degree) these differences but exceed what's already happening by using things like boosts, EQs etc.

I think we all have some weird obsession with getting things to sound a certain way without having to touch that other stuff. Are we stubborn or just dumb?

Well said. This is a human problem, not a gear problem.

 

[VESmedic]

Maybe RT could create a new subforum called Bedroom Tone Elite for folks that have no interest in making music, recording, or being creative in any capacity and want to judge amplifiers like it’s a Thoroughbred Horse Show while removing all responsibility from themselves. Bet it would pop off

Post of the fucking year…these pages, while I love them and have for decades, push guitar players away from why you started to play in the first place: to play/write songs. Judging a 4000 dollar amplifier by how it sounds in a room doing barely anything more than being a door stop, is fucking insane to me. And to give people shit who call it out and think that god forbid you should be doing more than that with it, or get pissed at them because you don’t even fucking know how to hook up your focusrite Scarlett to your computer, is asinine.


Also, fuck your room tone, once again. It’s selfish, and about as close to unusable/irrelevant as you can get in the world I thought we all got into this for: Playing fucking music. Your recto sounds great in the room. so does your Diezel. So does your Marshall. You guys act like it’s fucking rocket science getting a great sound in a room
With a speaker cabinet and a fucking amp head. Christ.

 

[RaceU4her]

I’m gonna look at it from a sports point of view.. how often do we see a football player for instance who out of college is supposedly this “can’t miss” prospect because “in the room” he is stronger, faster and handles the ball better than everyone, but put him on a team and he’s medicore and it just dosent work out?? It happens to every team every year, and people ask why? It’s called not fitting in with the rest of the system, and i look at a full mix as the "system".. your "open and punchy" amp might turn into dry and weak with the rest of the band, that smooth top with the big bedroom filling low mids might sound like its recorded in a tunnel while getting blasted by the cymbals. that perfect grinding clank might step on the snare and cymbals.. you just never really know until you get everything together and actually play

 

[BesaMoogie]

I think people are buying and manufacturing real amps because people, my self included, like using real amps lax regardless of how they are using them.

I think the in the room push and response is the biggest factor that is still driving the amp industry.
Yes, preference and „convenience“ is a possible factor too. Some people just like having an amp with knobs to turn and don’t want to dive into software too much. But its less of a factor.
Tube amps are heavy, costly and need maintenance. If moddeling would provide what a real amp does, it would be only a matter of time, till tubes go the way of the dinosaurs

 

[VESmedic]

I think the in the room push and response is the biggest factor that is still driving the amp industry.
Yes, preference and „convenience“ is a possible factor too. Some people just like having an amp with knobs to turn and don’t want to dive into software too much. But its less of a factor.
Tube amps are heavy, costly and need maintenance. If moddeling would provide what a real amp does, it would be only a matter of time, till tubes go the way of the dinosaurs

Agreed on all accounts. However, I definitely feel personally digital is there. You do a list of pros and cons on the axe fx vs a traditional tube amp, and you simply can’t compare. And quite honestly, even with all the amps I own, the axe for me is there 100 percent. There is zero question on its accuracy at this point to me

 

[RaceU4her]

Agreed on all accounts. However, I definitely feel personally digital is there. You do a list of pros and cons on the axe fx vs a traditional tube amp, and you simply can’t compare. And quite honestly, even with all the amps I own, the axe for me is there 100 percent. There is zero question on its accuracy at this point to me

I’ve avoided buying an Axe or kemper for no other reason than I know it’s gonna be the end for my house full of amps

 

[Beyond Black]

Post of the fucking year…these pages, while I love them and have for decades, push guitar players away from why you started to play in the first place: to play/write songs. Judging a 4000 dollar amplifier by how it sounds in a room doing barely anything more than being a door stop, is fucking insane to me. And to give people shit who call it out and think that god forbid you should be doing more than that with it, or get pissed at them because you don’t even fucking know how to hook up your focusrite Scarlett to your computer, is asinine.


Also, fuck your room tone, once again. It’s selfish, and about as close to unusable/irrelevant as you can get in the world I thought we all got into this for: Playing fucking music. Your recto sounds great in the room. so does your Diezel. So does your Marshall. You guys act like it’s fucking rocket science getting a great sound in a room
With a speaker cabinet and a fucking amp head. Christ.

The part of this that you’re overlooking and the point that I was making is that “in the room” doesn’t necessarily mean bedroom players only. It also includes guys playing in rehearsal spots, clubs, bars, arenas, whatever. Basically standing in front of a ripping amp at volume and getting your nuts blown off. That is what a miced recording can’t duplicate.
It’s not so black and white as recording guys vs bedroom wankers as you make it.
I haven’t gigged in around 7-8 years, but I’ve done plenty and one of my favorite parts was setting my rig up, cranking that fucker up and hearing it fill THE ROOM. There is no substitute for that.

 

[VESmedic]

The part of this that you’re overlooking and the point that I was making is that “in the room” doesn’t necessarily mean bedroom players only. It also includes guys playing in rehearsal spots, clubs, bars, arenas, whatever. Basically standing in front of a ripping amp at volume and getting your nuts blown off. That is what a miced recording can’t duplicate.
It’s not so black and white as recording guys vs bedroom wankers as you make it.
I haven’t gigged in around 7-8 years, but I’ve done plenty and one of my favorite parts was setting my rig up, cranking that fucker up and hearing it fill THE ROOM. There is no substitute for that.

Dude I 100 percent get it, I’m the same way, everyone loves cranking up an amp and nothing will replicate that, and I’ll never try and say that something else can. But what I am saying is, there is a huge carry over from the “amp in the room” importance to the guy who plays gigs and is selfish and cares nothing about anything else other than having his amp at a certain volume, or pointed a certain way, or whatever. When you have that attitude, you are ruining the entire point your band is there in the first place. Rule number one: you aren’t there to party, you ARE the party, and I think that gets forgotten. Guitar players are far and away some of the most selfish arrogant fucks when it comes to playing live on just about any level, and this is often the way it shows the most.

And that’s what I mean by useless: outside of your own enjoyment, and cranking up in a studio environment ( if you even have access to it) and playing in your own house, what use is the amp simply just in a room playing? Again, it’s fun, I get it. But the pros list of that is very short in my opinion and the con list is very long in todays world.

 

[Bram576]

Guitar players are far and away some of the most selfish arrogant fucks when it comes to playing live on just about any level, and this is often the way it shows the most.

I always have to remind myself when mixing I’m an arrogant guitar player who always puts guitars too loud. When I think it’s right, need to drop it another 2db lol.

 

[Racerxrated]

You’re right, he didn’t. But I’m not sure if you know this, but it’s not 1969 anymore, I know this may be a shock to you.


And honestly, yes, any “amp fest” I’ve ever been to is exactly that: a bar rented out for awhile for a bunch of dudes to stand around looking at amps listening to them and looking at them like “hmmmmmmmmm”….soo, yea, what amp fest are you referring to that isn’t this?

The part of this that you’re overlooking and the point that I was making is that “in the room” doesn’t necessarily mean bedroom players only. It also includes guys playing in rehearsal spots, clubs, bars, arenas, whatever. Basically standing in front of a ripping amp at volume and getting your nuts blown off. That is what a miced recording can’t duplicate.
It’s not so black and white as recording guys vs bedroom wankers as you make it.
I haven’t gigged in around 7-8 years, but I’ve done plenty and one of my favorite parts was setting my rig up, cranking that fucker up and hearing it fill THE ROOM. There is no substitute for that.

This.

Some of the posts here seem to ASSUME that if one doesn't record, that all they do is spend 20k on amps and sit in our jam rooms and play. Well, some of us played out at bars, casinos, festivals, Sturgis rally (X4) and other shit for 35 fucking yrs. Some of us know a thing or two about playing live, shlepping gear in/out of thousands of places, at 2am-4am finally getting to crash @0500.
Some of us had agents, played on the road for months on end in big/small towns, stayed in 'band houses', had a blast, and lived the life for a time while MANY here haven't gigged to SAVE THEIR ASS. Ever.

So, save the bullshit ASSUMPTIONS about peeps on this forum WHO DON'T GIVE 2 SHITS about HOW THE FUCK an amp records. I could give 2 flying fucks about that. Oh, and I've also recorded when 2 inch tape was still a thing lol....I bet some of you who talk about recording were just a dribble down your daddy's leg when I did that.

 

[RaceU4her]

I always have to remind myself when mixing I’m an arrogant guitar player who always puts guitars too loud. When I think it’s right, need to drop it another 2db lol.

i use reference tracks from my a/b list much more frequently now to avoid these kind of things, for me its the snare i always make wayyy to loud.

 

[VESmedic]

This.

Some of the posts here seem to ASSUME that if one doesn't record, that all they do is spend 20k on amps and sit in our jam rooms and play. Well, some of us played out at bars, casinos, festivals, Sturgis rally (X4) and other shit for 35 fucking yrs. Some of us know a thing or two about playing live, shlepping gear in/out of thousands of places, at 2am-4am finally getting to crash @0500.
Some of us had agents, played on the road for months on end in big/small towns, stayed in 'band houses', had a blast, and lived the life for a time while MANY here haven't gigged to SAVE THEIR ASS. Ever.

So, save the bullshit ASSUMPTIONS about peeps on this forum WHO DON'T GIVE 2 SHITS about HOW THE FUCK an amp records. I could give 2 flying fucks about that. Oh, and I've also recorded when 2 inch tape was still a thing lol....I bet some of you who talk about recording were just a dribble down your daddy's leg when I did that.

all that experience, and you still sound like an angry arrogant local guitar player, point proven

 

[VESmedic]

i use reference tracks from my a/b list much more frequently now to avoid these kind of things, for me its the snare i always make wayyy to loud.

Very very easy to do for sure. I’m constantly automating the snare, as most do. And alot of times it’s hard deciding if something is an eq problem, or a volume problem. It’s not always obvious, and sometimes more often than not it isn’t that’s obvious. Or is something too dynamic? Or not dynamic enough/too little or too much compression? It gets extremely difficult,
Or can Atleast.

 

[Racerxrated]

all that experience, and you still sound like an angry arrogant local guitar player, point proven

Nah, not angry. Just wanna say that some of the so called 'recording artists' on this forum that think they know so much, don't know shit. Just because you use an IR that makes every fucking amp sound the same, doesn't mean jack shit.
All that does, is make your
5150 sound like a Bogner sound like a Mesa sound like...
an IR.
A C+ sounds just like a Mark III!!!!
A G Recto sounds just like a C!!!!
...and more laughable comparisons brought to you by IRs....making every amp sound the SAME.
Cause all tube amps SOUND THE SAME!!!!!!

 

[RaceU4her]

Very very easy to do for sure. I’m constantly automating the snare, as most do. And alot of times it’s hard deciding if something is an eq problem, or a volume problem. It’s not always obvious, and sometimes more often than not it isn’t that’s obvious. Or is something too dynamic? Or not dynamic enough/too little or too much compression? It gets extremely difficult,
Or can Atleast.

Yup, I understand why a lot of the big names have their own samples and use the same ones on basically everything like Andy Wallace does and just automate and use different reverbs and whatnot, doing drums the asshole way like I do with no samples isnt the way to go lol

 

[VESmedic]

Nah, not angry. Just wanna say that some of the so called 'recording artists' on this forum that think they know so much, don't know shit. Just because you use an IR that makes every fucking amp sound the same, doesn't mean jack shit.
All that does, is make your
5150 sound like a Bogner sound like a Mesa sound like...
an IR.
A C+ sounds just like a Mark III!!!!
A G Recto sounds just like a C!!!!
...and more laughable comparisons brought to you by IRs....making every amp sound the SAME.
Cause all tube amps SOUND THE SAME!!!!!!

I don’t think anyone claims to be a “recording artist” here, and even if they do, I don’t think that’s an IR’s fault. This is also the first time I’ve ever heard someone say IR’s make all amps sound the same, news to me.