Trouble cutting through with an Uberschall

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my twin jets 2nd channel didnt cut through at all but the 1st channel cut through awesome .... i find that lowering the bass and pumping the treble and prescence helped it cut better, the mid knob was weird and didnt add mids unless the bass knob was below 1oclock .... try raising the treble and prescence and lowering your bass

bogners are weird amps to set up, takes some getting used to
 
So I went to the space early yesterday, swapped out the preamp tubes with some older (still good) Ruby's I had. The volume did come (I didn't think there was much volume issue before until I changed the tubes) back so one of the Tungsols must have been on its way out. I adjusted the EQ one the second channel as follows (clock again)

Master 11
Channel Volume 2
Presence 3
Treble 2:30/3
Mid 3
Low 1:30/2
Gain 3

Turned the amp on WITH NO BOOST and it was great..plenty of grime but the lows were very flubby and loose so I cut them back and wasn't too happy with it. So then I engaged the tube screamer and dropped my treble slightly to 1 o'clock, gain to 11 o'clock, and brought the lows back up to 3 o'clock. The amp tightened up and sounded nasty..really got into it for a while until the dudes showed up. Started playing with them..and I'm lost again. I'm holding up the bottom with my bass player, chugging away, and shaking the space but I'm not coming through still. I turn up the master to 1 o'clock and, while louder and definitely more noticeable, he's still coming through. Swap into my 6505, and hey..guess who's back. I may consider running the ABY with the 6505 so it's that much more immense sounding, but we're usually rushed for setup/breakdown so IDK.

I love my Uberschall and how beastly it stands alone (or maybe as a single guitarist), but I'm slightly bummed that in a band application it's not what I had hoped. I should probably keep it home with the price tag and the type of environment the shows I play are, but it would be cool as hell to shake the place. I know our record will be huge sounding anyways...

I have some new chinese 12ax7s on the way so I'll try those. I'm not giving up and still love the amp, but I need to cut as I have "lead" parts..not meedley meedely, but lead none the less haha.

Thanks for all the advice,
Jonny Mac
 
JonnyXXXMac":1u6pdlpp said:
So I went to the space early yesterday, swapped out the preamp tubes with some older (still good) Ruby's I had. The volume did come (I didn't think there was much volume issue before until I changed the tubes) back so one of the Tungsols must have been on its way out. I adjusted the EQ one the second channel as follows (clock again)

Master 11
Channel Volume 2
Presence 3
Treble 2:30/3
Mid 3
Low 1:30/2
Gain 3

Turned the amp on WITH NO BOOST and it was great..plenty of grime but the lows were very flubby and loose so I cut them back and wasn't too happy with it. So then I engaged the tube screamer and dropped my treble slightly to 1 o'clock, gain to 11 o'clock, and brought the lows back up to 3 o'clock. The amp tightened up and sounded nasty..really got into it for a while until the dudes showed up. Started playing with them..and I'm lost again. I'm holding up the bottom with my bass player, chugging away, and shaking the space but I'm not coming through still. I turn up the master to 1 o'clock and, while louder and definitely more noticeable, he's still coming through. Swap into my 6505, and hey..guess who's back. I may consider running the ABY with the 6505 so it's that much more immense sounding, but we're usually rushed for setup/breakdown so IDK.

I love my Uberschall and how beastly it stands alone (or maybe as a single guitarist), but I'm slightly bummed that in a band application it's not what I had hoped. I should probably keep it home with the price tag and the type of environment the shows I play are, but it would be cool as hell to shake the place. I know our record will be huge sounding anyways...

I have some new chinese 12ax7s on the way so I'll try those. I'm not giving up and still love the amp, but I need to cut as I have "lead" parts..not meedley meedely, but lead none the less haha.

Thanks for all the advice,
Jonny Mac
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Try turning your treble control to 3 on the dial(not 3:00) and see what that does to the mids. Try turning your master to 10:00 and your channel volume to noon. These amps are tough to dial for a mix. I think there is still hope. :thumbsup:
 
JonnyXXXMac":366upbjw said:
So I went to the space early yesterday, swapped out the preamp tubes with some older (still good) Ruby's I had. The volume did come (I didn't think there was much volume issue before until I changed the tubes) back so one of the Tungsols must have been on its way out. I adjusted the EQ one the second channel as follows (clock again)

Master 11
Channel Volume 2
Presence 3
Treble 2:30/3
Mid 3
Low 1:30/2
Gain 3

Turned the amp on WITH NO BOOST and it was great..plenty of grime but the lows were very flubby and loose so I cut them back and wasn't too happy with it. So then I engaged the tube screamer and dropped my treble slightly to 1 o'clock, gain to 11 o'clock, and brought the lows back up to 3 o'clock. The amp tightened up and sounded nasty..really got into it for a while until the dudes showed up. Started playing with them..and I'm lost again. I'm holding up the bottom with my bass player, chugging away, and shaking the space but I'm not coming through still. I turn up the master to 1 o'clock and, while louder and definitely more noticeable, he's still coming through. Swap into my 6505, and hey..guess who's back. I may consider running the ABY with the 6505 so it's that much more immense sounding, but we're usually rushed for setup/breakdown so IDK.

I love my Uberschall and how beastly it stands alone (or maybe as a single guitarist), but I'm slightly bummed that in a band application it's not what I had hoped. I should probably keep it home with the price tag and the type of environment the shows I play are, but it would be cool as hell to shake the place. I know our record will be huge sounding anyways...

I have some new chinese 12ax7s on the way so I'll try those. I'm not giving up and still love the amp, but I need to cut as I have "lead" parts..not meedley meedely, but lead none the less haha.

Thanks for all the advice,
Jonny Mac
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Good choice on the Chinese tubes. I really don't like anything else (Sovtek, JJ, and especially Tungsol) in the Uberschall. It might make the difference, as they'll add more crunch and presence to your amp.

What power tubes are you running?
 
Winged Cs. I've been told by numerous people to use them in this amp.
 
i just bought one so ill see what i think about cut myself.
 
JonnyXXXMac":2g4hdrak said:
Winged Cs. I've been told by numerous people to use them in this amp.
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They're pretty good. I'd try the JJ E34L's too. They'll add some more mids and cut to your sound. :rock:
 
If someone had already mention this, sorry, couldn't read through the whole thing lol.

I've had this same issue with a bunch of other amps with my band last year and the simple solution is to NOT stand by your amp but be away at least a good 8-10 feet so that you can really hear your tone.

You mention that you have a emperor cab, I'm assuming its only a straight cab? If so, thats another problem since its only going in one direction.

I also hope you have the proper speaker cables for your head--->cab. It makes a shit ton of difference.

My two cents.
 
It's a tiny room we practice in. I'll be gigging Friday in Mass. so i figured I'd bring it out and see what happens. Maybe it is the room...if so, I can live with that. I'm talking to someone now about a 2x12 splawn to put under the Emperor. That'll put me up at ear height Haha. I submitted the form on Mr. Scumback's site to see what I can load it with to compliment the Webers. I'm not giving up! Haha. I'll try piece by piece...
 
Have you considered a nice parametric in the loop so you could boost in the frequencies you'll need to cut after dialing in your preferred amp settings?
 
JonnyXXXMac":13doa8uk said:
It's a tiny room we practice in. I'll be gigging Friday in Mass. so i figured I'd bring it out and see what happens. Maybe it is the room...if so, I can live with that. I'm talking to someone now about a 2x12 splawn to put under the Emperor. That'll put me up at ear height Haha. I submitted the form on Mr. Scumback's site to see what I can load it with to compliment the Webers. I'm not giving up! Haha. I'll try piece by piece...
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You have a freaking 6x12 man! its very well likely the room being too small. Leave the amps in the same area and switch spots with your other guitarist and you should be able to hear yourself clearly and less of your other guitarist.
 
perhaps get a Twin Jet?

I mean, I don't understand how anyone could have trouble in the mix with it...
to me, it is the only amp I have ever had to turn DOWN the mids...
Cuts better than any amp I have ever used...
and after mine gets modded a bit more, it will be so strong i'm really going to have to dial it back in the mix...

haven't tried a regular Uber, but I have seriously no issues getting lost in the mix with one...
 
yea the twin jet i had cut great on the first channel, the 2nd channel i did have some problems cuttin through though ... but a little eq change kind of fixed it, i just think that the 2nd channel is so compressed it would make sense that you would have problems cutting

i did spend most of my time on the first channel in a band mix
 
We're also tuned down to dropped C, I'm playing against another guitarist, and my bassist is running an SVT450 through an SWR 8X10. We're not playing rock either...we play heavy hardcore which is much more gain than you're running. Take a listen to the songs on the "Trials" myspace...you'll better understand we're not a rock and roll band like yours is.
 
Don't know if you are talking about my band, but we're more a Death Metal band, mixed with bouncy Hardcore, not rock 'n roll....
But compare this...
This video is with a Bogner Twin Jet, and the guitar stands out...


This video is with a Marshall DSL, and the guitar can get drowned out easily at times. Not as bold a tone.
 
Prehaps try some different power tubes. I put 6550C tubes in my Uber and it gave the amp a good bit more headroom!!! The amp has tons of gain the 6550C seem to do better for cutting through in my opinion.
 
You say potato, I say tomato...we'll have to agree to disagree on genre. Thank you for the videos, I do hear the difference, but tonight I think I found it. I'm still going to replace the preamps since the tungsols seem to be problematic. It was in the EQ all along as most of you suggested. It was the treble; I dropped it down to 9-10 o'clock and boosted the mids to 3 o'clock and guess who came back! I'm anxious to gig it Friday night to hear it in a more open area, but I'm thrilled to be using her and cutting!

Thanks for all the advice,
Jonny Mac
 
Glad to hear the Uberschall worked out. They're weird amps to dial in, and it takes some time to do it, but once you do, oh man...
 
JonnyXXXMac":vbf8q51d said:
You say potato, I say tomato...we'll have to agree to disagree on genre. Thank you for the videos, I do hear the difference, but tonight I think I found it. I'm still going to replace the preamps since the tungsols seem to be problematic. It was in the EQ all along as most of you suggested. It was the treble; I dropped it down to 9-10 o'clock and boosted the mids to 3 o'clock and guess who came back! I'm anxious to gig it Friday night to hear it in a more open area, but I'm thrilled to be using her and cutting!

Thanks for all the advice,
Jonny Mac
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Yep! The treble counterclockwise thickens and adds more mids. It thins the tone out between 12 and 2 and then adds sharper high end past that.
 
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