Uberkab- is it really worth it?

[steve_k]

The old rear loads with the 30/75 mix were excellent. One of the new front loads I received had a 30/100 mix. I found the 100's way too stiff and went to straight V30's. Then again, I am always messing around with speaker swaps but it is all amp dependent and not one size fits all. I usually end up dragging the V30 cabs with me though, as they are the all-around workhorse which will work with most of my amps and settings. I am not too hell bent on mids and tend to scoop everything quite a bit, which is why the 30's work for me. They may not work as well for the next guy. Scooping mids and Greenbacks don't go together at all. I do like to run two cabs though from time to time. One with V30's and one with Greenbacks and can generally pull something acceptable from the mix with a mic on both cabs.

Steve

 

[leib10]

I wonder why they went with 100's instead of 75's...

 

[steve_k]

I think the standard is still 30/75. If you order through a dealer, they will put most any Celestion option you want with GB's/30's/75's/100's.

Steve

 

[RedB4Black]

I'm in Lubbock, Texas. Bogner lists the only official dealer in Texas as being in Austin, which is well over 8 hours away.

Guitar Resurrection. A friend of mine works there. The Uberkab is his favorite cab and he's not much of a modern metal guy. They still have an older rear-loaded one in stock. I've been tempted to buy it just to have, but I don't need another cab. I had 2 uberkabs at one point (I think there still floating around San Antonio somewhere. lol). They are my second favorite cabs behind Mills Acoustic Afterburner cabs - which I have two of now.

 

[leib10]

I'll be moving to St. Louis in a few months, so we'll see if that opens up any opportunities for me getting one. My only concern is getting rid of my Peavey 4x12. Luckily I kept the factory packaging and box, so shipping it isn't a problem, but getting somebody to pay for the shipping would be!

 

[Death by Uberschall]

I'll be moving to St. Louis in a few months, so we'll see if that opens up any opportunities for me getting one. My only concern is getting rid of my Peavey 4x12. Luckily I kept the factory packaging and box, so shipping it isn't a problem, but getting somebody to pay for the shipping would be!

Craigslist it locally, it'll sell.

 

[leib10]

That's eventually what I plan on doing, but I need to get the Uberkab first or I won't be able to play!

 

[leib10]

Another question: I've heard lots of good stuff about the OS 2x12. How does it compare to an Uberkab (other than it having less bass)?

 

[Red_Label]

Another question: I've heard lots of good stuff about the OS 2x12. How does it compare to an Uberkab (other than it having less bass)?

To get the best comparison, you'd have to have identical speakers in each cab IMO. I've got an OS2X12 with V30s (had two of them) and an Ubercab with G12-30s. I also have a Marshall 1960B with T75s. The Uber sounds much fuller than the OS2X12, and a bit fuller than the 1960B. It's also "woodier" than the Marshall cab. It's just such a big, fat, sweet sounding cab. The OS2X12s are renouned for being great cabs that nearly sound as big as a 4X12. But they really don't sound anywhere near as big as the Ubercab. I love this cab... and if I had to get rid of all my cabs but one... the Ubercab would be the one left standing. It rules all!

 

[steve_k]

Speaking of OS 212's, I just had one delivered. Ordered it empty. And empty it is. Got to go find me some lamp cord to wire it up. I put some old Greenbacks in one of the Bogner 412's but need a hint of V30 for the grind. Gonna get this wired up and give it a rip. The back of the 212's are stuffed too, like the Bogner 412's. This is the "special sauce" along with good cab construction. Their specs are fantastic.

Edit......V30' didn't work out in the 212. Sounded like buzz-saws. Going back with something else. Maybe some Scum.

 

[Red_Label]

V30' didn't work out in the 212. Sounded like buzz-saws. Going back with something else. Maybe some Scum.

Exactly! I got rid of my first OS2X12 basically because it didn't match any of my amps (after I sold my Shiva) and because it was pretty obnoxious. A coupld of months later, I picked-up another OS2X12, this one in all black like my Uber. But it's still got V30s in there and I have a love/hate thing with those speakers. So obnoxious. When I blend that cab with my sweet and crunchy Ubercab, it takes the edge off a little. I do like the V30-loaded Uber for gigs. Cuts right through the mix. But at home it sometimes just grates on my ears.

 

[leib10]

What about a 2x12 OS loaded with a V30 and a G12T-75?

 

[Red_Label]

What about a 2x12 OS loaded with a V30 and a G12T-75?

I tried that and didn't care for it, but I don't play modern metal and am partial to more sweet, crunchy sounding speakers.

 

[steve_k]

V30' didn't work out in the 212. Sounded like buzz-saws. Going back with something else. Maybe some Scum.

Exactly! I got rid of my first OS2X12 basically because it didn't match any of my amps (after I sold my Shiva) and because it was pretty obnoxious. A coupld of months later, I picked-up another OS2X12, this one in all black like my Uber. But it's still got V30s in there and I have a love/hate thing with those speakers. So obnoxious. When I blend that cab with my sweet and crunchy Ubercab, it takes the edge off a little. I do like the V30-loaded Uber for gigs. Cuts right through the mix. But at home it sometimes just grates on my ears.

I bought it actually for a W/D set up, so as to not haul 2-412's around. It is almost as big though. My main cab for my Marshall amps is a Bogner with some 25 year old Greenbacks in it. I was thinking to add a little but of V30 to the mix with both cabs dry, but the two V30's over power the GB's in the 412. I don't like that too much. So, I will probably go back to the original plan for when I run two heads where I can have control over the output mix. I do like Bogner cabs though. Even though they are made at the same shop with Diezel, Cameron and Custom Audio, his tweaks in the design, slant baffle, internal volume, and stuffing on the Bogner's set them apart.

Steve

 

[steve_k]

Well shit.......back to where I started with stock Ubercabs. I had bought some 16 ohm G12T75's off somebody here a few months back. So, I opened one of the Boggie 412's and replaced 2 of the 30's with 75's and voila! Perfect match with my Cameron Aldrich. The GB's were too smooth and a little lacking. The 30's were slinging ice picks at me. Scums didn't work. But, the original Uber mix of 30's and 75's immediately were a fit. I guess Reinhold knew what he was doing with the Ubercab. Gonna dress my other 412 this way and put the soldering iron up for a bit. Don't know what I will do with the Front Loads or the 212 for now.

Steve

 

[Red_Label]

Well shit.......back to where I started with stock Ubercabs. I had bought some 16 ohm G12T75's off somebody here a few months back. So, I opened one of the Boggie 412's and replaced 2 of the 30's with 75's and voila! Perfect match with my Cameron Aldrich. The GB's were too smooth and a little lacking. The 30's were slinging ice picks at me. Scums didn't work. But, the original Uber mix of 30's and 75's immediately were a fit. I guess Reinhold knew what he was doing with the Ubercab. Gonna dress my other 412 this way and put the soldering iron up for a bit. Don't know what I will do with the Front Loads or the 212 for now.

Steve

Just spent time with both my G12-30-loaded Uber and V30-loaded OS2X12 again tonight and there's NO question about it... I "adore" the Uber and really don't feel the same about the OS. I know that the reason is the V30s. I don't "hate" them, but I don't like them either. I REALLY need to find some speakers that are as sweet and crunchy sounding as my G12-30s, but that are higher wattage (like double!) so I can put a pair in the OS and really get to enjoy it with the Uber. I only have experience with V30s, G12-30s, and T75s though (pretty sad, considering I've been playing almost 27 years). What are the 65s like? There's got to be something that fits the bill for what I'm looking for. Should post-up a separate thread about it I suppose.

BTW... I really love your avatar!!!

 

[steve_k]

Well shit.......back to where I started with stock Ubercabs. I had bought some 16 ohm G12T75's off somebody here a few months back. So, I opened one of the Boggie 412's and replaced 2 of the 30's with 75's and voila! Perfect match with my Cameron Aldrich. The GB's were too smooth and a little lacking. The 30's were slinging ice picks at me. Scums didn't work. But, the original Uber mix of 30's and 75's immediately were a fit. I guess Reinhold knew what he was doing with the Ubercab. Gonna dress my other 412 this way and put the soldering iron up for a bit. Don't know what I will do with the Front Loads or the 212 for now.

Steve

Just spent time with both my G12-30-loaded Uber and V30-loaded OS2X12 again tonight and there's NO question about it... I "adore" the Uber and really don't feel the same about the OS. I know that the reason is the V30s. I don't "hate" them, but I don't like them either. I REALLY need to find some speakers that are as sweet and crunchy sounding as my G12-30s, but that are higher wattage (like double!) so I can put a pair in the OS and really get to enjoy it with the Uber. I only have experience with V30s, G12-30s, and T75s though (pretty sad, considering I've been playing almost 27 years). What are the 65s like? There's got to be something that fits the bill for what I'm looking for. Should post-up a separate thread about it I suppose.

BTW... I really love your avatar!!!

I guess it depends a lot on what amp you are trying to pair with the cab. I was specifically working with this Cameron Aldrich and the 2-V30/2-75's work perfectly for me with that amp. For the XTC, I found the conventional Uber works well as does straight V30's, with some dialing in. The Shiva destroys in a straight V30 412 cab. Loads of bottom end. The 65's are pretty much a Greenback on steroids, handling more power and less break up. I don't like to run a lot of mids in the mix and tend to scoop everything, with just enough mid to punch through. This is where the V30's come into play and the reason GB's are a little tougher for me to dial in. I don't have any H30's....yet. Will have soon though.

Steve

 

[Red_Label]

Well shit.......back to where I started with stock Ubercabs. I had bought some 16 ohm G12T75's off somebody here a few months back. So, I opened one of the Boggie 412's and replaced 2 of the 30's with 75's and voila! Perfect match with my Cameron Aldrich. The GB's were too smooth and a little lacking. The 30's were slinging ice picks at me. Scums didn't work. But, the original Uber mix of 30's and 75's immediately were a fit. I guess Reinhold knew what he was doing with the Ubercab. Gonna dress my other 412 this way and put the soldering iron up for a bit. Don't know what I will do with the Front Loads or the 212 for now.

Steve

Just spent time with both my G12-30-loaded Uber and V30-loaded OS2X12 again tonight and there's NO question about it... I "adore" the Uber and really don't feel the same about the OS. I know that the reason is the V30s. I don't "hate" them, but I don't like them either. I REALLY need to find some speakers that are as sweet and crunchy sounding as my G12-30s, but that are higher wattage (like double!) so I can put a pair in the OS and really get to enjoy it with the Uber. I only have experience with V30s, G12-30s, and T75s though (pretty sad, considering I've been playing almost 27 years). What are the 65s like? There's got to be something that fits the bill for what I'm looking for. Should post-up a separate thread about it I suppose.

BTW... I really love your avatar!!!

I guess it depends a lot on what amp you are trying to pair with the cab. I was specifically working with this Cameron Aldrich and the 2-V30/2-75's work perfectly for me with that amp. For the XTC, I found the conventional Uber works well as does straight V30's, with some dialing in. The Shiva destroys in a straight V30 412 cab. Loads of bottom end. The 65's are pretty much a Greenback on steroids, handling more power and less break up. I don't like to run a lot of mids in the mix and tend to scoop everything, with just enough mid to punch through. This is where the V30's come into play and the reason GB's are a little tougher for me to dial in. I don't have any H30's....yet. Will have soon though.

Steve

Amp is an XTC Classic. So it's got that open sound (that I love), that really seems to get obnoxious when paired with the V30s -- at least to my ears. I think that the 101B might work better with V30s cause it's more compressed and darker.

 

[leib10]

What about a 2x12 OS loaded with a V30 and a G12T-75?

I tried that and didn't care for it, but I don't play modern metal and am partial to more sweet, crunchy sounding speakers.

Anybody who plays metal (like me) try this combo?

 

[leib10]

Just got finished playing my new Uberkab for the first time. Answered my question: yes, it is very much worth it. Holy crap. Such an aggressive, pissed-off sound with HUGE yet focused low end and surprising clarity. Easily the best cab I've ever played.