Update on the COD+!

[jkdsteve]

Ok so what I am going to do is add a push button on the mids...out its COD in its less mids.

BINGO!

 

[RP Rad]

Well at least your trying to make us happy.. By the way my amp is here in my shop and every day someone trys to buy it..

 

[blindmuddy]

From my personal opinion the amount of gain on channel B on the stock COD in channel A of COD+ would be fine, with more gain in Channel B of the COD+.

+1

 

[Resonant Alien]

From my personal opinion the amount of gain on channel B on the stock COD in channel A of COD+ would be fine, with more gain in Channel B of the COD+.

+1

+2. Exactly what i would want too!!

 

[3 Mile Stone]

Sounds like it may not exactly hit the original Mark ( ) but I think it will end up being cool anyway Jeff, just because you guys made it. I could really go for a high gain Dumble sound as I thought the original COD to be just slightly too polite. I like the big romping Dumble tone with a lot of gain.

 

[ruso]

Sounds like it may not exactly hit the original Mark ( ) but I think it will end up being cool anyway Jeff, just because you guys made it.

Absolutely... If I had the cash, I'd own every single one of the modules.

I could really go for a high gain Dumble sound as I thought the original COD to be just slightly too polite. I like the big romping Dumble tone with a lot of gain.

I can't wait to bust out some single coil goodness through it.

 

[richedie]

Just use an EQ in the loop and that can be your Petrucci lead tone.

 

[guitarslinger]

please tell me I'm one of the random clients

 

[dfrattaroli]

Sheesh. If I was Jeff I'd be pulling my hair out by now.

Jeff, just get the thing to sound good on it's own. I'm confident you all can do it. All this talk of the mod sounding like Metallica or Dream Theater is pointless IMO since they are WORLDS APART!!! Firstly, Metallica's signature Mark tone is way scooped. And, they ran the Mark IIC+ through a Marshall head's power section. John Petrucci's is NOT scooped. Throw in the fact that JP has used almost every single Mesa ever made on Dream Theater recordings you'll never make one mod do it all. Mesas are mid heavy by nature and JP normally has that control around noon. Hardly scooped. And lastly, if ever there was a player whose signature tone comes from his hands it's JP. I've attend several of his clinics and have heard him play Rectos, Marks and Road Kings. In stereo, mono, etc. He always sounds like JP.

I won't be dissappointed if I get the COD+ and don't sound like him. I've got an RKII and had 3 different EBMM Petrucci's and never felt my tone got close to his so I'm not going to expect this module to get me there. I'm not even sure I'd want his tone to be MY tone.

So, if the COD+ is to be the Mesa Mark mod. Great. Then it should have a nice clean tone OR a good crunch tone AND a smooth, singing lead tone with moderate gain on tap. If it can do THAT. It'll be worth the price of admission.

Dave

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

Sheesh. If I was Jeff I'd be pulling my hair out by now.

Jeff, just get the thing to sound good on it's own. I'm confident you all can do it. All this talk of the mod sounding like Metallica or Dream Theater is pointless IMO since they are WORLDS APART!!! Firstly, Metallica's signature Mark tone is way scooped. And, they ran the Mark IIC+ through a Marshall head's power section. John Petrucci's is NOT scooped. Throw in the fact that JP has used almost every single Mesa ever made on Dream Theater recordings you'll never make one mod do it all. Mesas are mid heavy by nature and JP normally has that control around noon. Hardly scooped. And lastly, if ever there was a player whose signature tone comes from his hands it's JP. I've attend several of his clinics and have heard him play Rectos, Marks and Road Kings. In stereo, mono, etc. He always sounds like JP.

I won't be dissappointed if I get the COD+ and don't sound like him. I've got an RKII and had 3 different EBMM Petrucci's and never felt my tone got close to his so I'm not going to expect this module to get me their. I'm not even sure I'd want his tone to be MY tone.

So, if the COD+ is to be the Mesa Mark mod. Great. Then it should have a nice clean tone OR a good crunch tone AND a smooth, singing lead tone with moderate gain on tap. If it can do THAT. It'll be worth the price of admission.

Dave

Thanks for the encouragement!

 

[dfrattaroli]

Sheesh. If I was Jeff I'd be pulling my hair out by now.

Jeff, just get the thing to sound good on it's own. I'm confident you all can do it. All this talk of the mod sounding like Metallica or Dream Theater is pointless IMO since they are WORLDS APART!!! Firstly, Metallica's signature Mark tone is way scooped. And, they ran the Mark IIC+ through a Marshall head's power section. John Petrucci's is NOT scooped. Throw in the fact that JP has used almost every single Mesa ever made on Dream Theater recordings you'll never make one mod do it all. Mesas are mid heavy by nature and JP normally has that control around noon. Hardly scooped. And lastly, if ever there was a player whose signature tone comes from his hands it's JP. I've attend several of his clinics and have heard him play Rectos, Marks and Road Kings. In stereo, mono, etc. He always sounds like JP.

I won't be dissappointed if I get the COD+ and don't sound like him. I've got an RKII and had 3 different EBMM Petrucci's and never felt my tone got close to his so I'm not going to expect this module to get me their. I'm not even sure I'd want his tone to be MY tone.

So, if the COD+ is to be the Mesa Mark mod. Great. Then it should have a nice clean tone OR a good crunch tone AND a smooth, singing lead tone with moderate gain on tap. If it can do THAT. It'll be worth the price of admission.

Dave

Thanks for the encouragement!

By all means Jeff. I can't wait to get my M4 and become a module whore.

 

[Gino]

Sheesh. If I was Jeff I'd be pulling my hair out by now.

Jeff, just get the thing to sound good on it's own. I'm confident you all can do it. All this talk of the mod sounding like Metallica or Dream Theater is pointless IMO since they are WORLDS APART!!! Firstly, Metallica's signature Mark tone is way scooped. And, they ran the Mark IIC+ through a Marshall head's power section. John Petrucci's is NOT scooped. Throw in the fact that JP has used almost every single Mesa ever made on Dream Theater recordings you'll never make one mod do it all. Mesas are mid heavy by nature and JP normally has that control around noon. Hardly scooped. And lastly, if ever there was a player whose signature tone comes from his hands it's JP. I've attend several of his clinics and have heard him play Rectos, Marks and Road Kings. In stereo, mono, etc. He always sounds like JP.

I won't be dissappointed if I get the COD+ and don't sound like him. I've got an RKII and had 3 different EBMM Petrucci's and never felt my tone got close to his so I'm not going to expect this module to get me there. I'm not even sure I'd want his tone to be MY tone.

So, if the COD+ is to be the Mesa Mark mod. Great. Then it should have a nice clean tone OR a good crunch tone AND a smooth, singing lead tone with moderate gain on tap. If it can do THAT. It'll be worth the price of admission.

Dave

Hammer, meet head of nail.

I was in the shop on Monday and I got to hear the current iteration of the COD+ and it's exactly what Jeff said it would be. The COD is Egnater's take on Dumble and Mark II lead and the COD+ is a higher gain version of that. All of this Metallica talk seems out of place, personally. If you think you're going to plug into the COD+ and hear Master of Puppets, think again. If you think you're going to plug into any amp and get any of Metallica's sounds, think again. They use(d) so many different amps in so many different configurations with X amount of layers recorded X different ways that thinking you're going to find the definitive amp or the definitive EQ setting of the Metallitone is just a waste of time and money. Here's an idea: Sound like yourself. All of you guitarists that are striving for someone else's tone, lemme ask you this: What are you going to do when you achieve that tone? Is the quest over? Will you lay your axe down and sound a triumphant battle cry? No, you'll probably look for someone else's tone for the next 20 years. Find the tone that makes you happy. It's cool to hear someone else's sound and say, "Oh, I like this part or that part of what they're doing," but to devote your guitar life to emulating someone else is just sad. I think most of us here have figured out that a large part of your tone is in your hands. Put Slash, Vai, Petrucci, whomever through a 15W Crate with a $120 Strat and it'll still sound awesome because their sound is in their technique. Dan (bbaug14) and I are in a band together and if we both plug into MOD50s with the same modules, it'll still sound different because he's got better chops than me and he plays differently than I do (good versus sloppily ). So let's forget trying to find the perfect tone and instead let's focus on getting more awesomer!

/rant

There's an article Dan sent me that I saved called "You Will Never Achieve the Perfect Tone". I'll dig it up and post it for all to read.

 

[bbaug14]

Sheesh. If I was Jeff I'd be pulling my hair out by now.

Jeff, just get the thing to sound good on it's own. I'm confident you all can do it. All this talk of the mod sounding like Metallica or Dream Theater is pointless IMO since they are WORLDS APART!!! Firstly, Metallica's signature Mark tone is way scooped. And, they ran the Mark IIC+ through a Marshall head's power section. John Petrucci's is NOT scooped. Throw in the fact that JP has used almost every single Mesa ever made on Dream Theater recordings you'll never make one mod do it all. Mesas are mid heavy by nature and JP normally has that control around noon. Hardly scooped. And lastly, if ever there was a player whose signature tone comes from his hands it's JP. I've attend several of his clinics and have heard him play Rectos, Marks and Road Kings. In stereo, mono, etc. He always sounds like JP.

I won't be dissappointed if I get the COD+ and don't sound like him. I've got an RKII and had 3 different EBMM Petrucci's and never felt my tone got close to his so I'm not going to expect this module to get me there. I'm not even sure I'd want his tone to be MY tone.

So, if the COD+ is to be the Mesa Mark mod. Great. Then it should have a nice clean tone OR a good crunch tone AND a smooth, singing lead tone with moderate gain on tap. If it can do THAT. It'll be worth the price of admission.

Dave

Hammer, meet head of nail.

I was in the shop on Monday and I got to hear the current iteration of the COD+ and it's exactly what Jeff said it would be. The COD is Egnater's take on Dumble and Mark II lead and the COD+ is a higher gain version of that. All of this Metallica talk seems out of place, personally. If you think you're going to plug into the COD+ and hear Master of Puppets, think again. If you think you're going to plug into any amp and get any of Metallica's sounds, think again. They use(d) so many different amps in so many different configurations with X amount of layers recorded X different ways that thinking you're going to find the definitive amp or the definitive EQ setting of the Metallitone is just a waste of time and money. Here's an idea: Sound like yourself. All of you guitarists that are striving for someone else's tone, lemme ask you this: What are you going to do when you achieve that tone? Is the quest over? Will you lay your axe down and sound a triumphant battle cry? No, you'll probably look for someone else's tone for the next 20 years. Find the tone that makes you happy. It's cool to hear someone else's sound and say, "Oh, I like this part or that part of what they're doing," but to devote your guitar life to emulating someone else is just sad. I think most of us here have figured out that a large part of your tone is in your hands. Put Slash, Vai, Petrucci, whomever through a 15W Crate with a $120 Strat and it'll still sound awesome because their sound is in their technique. Dan (bbaug14) and I are in a band together and if we both plug into MOD50s with the same modules, it'll still sound different because he's got better chops than me and he plays differently than I do (good versus sloppily ). So let's forget trying to find the perfect tone and instead let's focus on getting more awesomer!

/rant

There's an article Dan sent me that I saved called "You Will Never Achieve the Perfect Tone". I'll dig it up and post it for all to read.

Finally, a couple of people have said what many of us have been thinking.



Can't wait to check out the COD+ now!!!

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

If I say anything I might look and sound like someone else on rig talk who has had a few problems.

 

[EWSEthan]

Guys, ok please everyone relax. I dont think anyone expects to plug into the COD+ and sound like Kirk Hammett (because that would certainly be a BAD thing ) But lets take a step back. As I recall, the whole COD+ idea came about solely because the general concensus is that there is not a module right now that does a convincing Mesa Mark style high gain tone. This is not an insane request. Team Eggie has provided modules that showcase their take on many other popular amps. So why arent you guys crucifying people who want to buy a SL2 to get Slash's tone? Or an EG5 to sound like DeMartini? If you want to sound like Chevelle or "good-era" Dream Theater, the only thing that really does THAT sound is a Mark amp.

Now, everyone knows that Egnater is BUSY BUSY BUSY. Theyve got tons of awesome stuff coming out we know about about probably more we do not know about. So, if a Mark high gain module doesnt fit with their game plan for this year or next, THAT IS FINE. They cannot drop everything on their plan to make that happen. A product road map takes a great deal of time and thought and Im sure they have a ton on their plate without such a module.

But please, dont attack guys suggesting such a module just because you prefer Marshalls and already have your style modules. That is not cool IMO.

And for the record, I would definitely be interested in a Mark high gain module (and probably COD+ even if it isnt it), but if it didnt happen, I am TOTALLY happy with my current set of modules. But more tones are always better right?

 

[ruso]

Guys, ok please everyone relax. I dont think anyone expects to plug into the COD+ and sound like Kirk Hammett (because that would certainly be a BAD thing ) But lets take a step back. As I recall, the whole COD+ idea came about solely because the general concensus is that there is not a module right now that does a convincing Mesa Mark style high gain tone. This is not an insane request. Team Eggie has provided modules that showcase their take on many other popular amps. So why arent you guys crucifying people who want to buy a SL2 to get Slash's tone? Or an EG5 to sound like DeMartini? If you want to sound like Chevelle or "good-era" Dream Theater, the only thing that really does THAT sound is a Mark amp.

Now, everyone knows that Egnater is BUSY BUSY BUSY. Theyve got tons of awesome stuff coming out we know about about probably more we do not know about. So, if a Mark high gain module doesnt fit with their game plan for this year or next, THAT IS FINE. They cannot drop everything on their plan to make that happen. A product road map takes a great deal of time and thought and Im sure they have a ton on their plate without such a module.

But please, dont attack guys suggesting such a module just because you prefer Marshalls and already have your style modules. That is not cool IMO.

And for the record, I would definitely be interested in a Mark high gain module (and probably COD+ even if it isnt it), but if it didnt happen, I am TOTALLY happy with my current set of modules. But more tones are always better right?

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

[bbaug14]

Guys, ok please everyone relax. I dont think anyone expects to plug into the COD+ and sound like Kirk Hammett (because that would certainly be a BAD thing ) But lets take a step back. As I recall, the whole COD+ idea came about solely because the general concensus is that there is not a module right now that does a convincing Mesa Mark style high gain tone. This is not an insane request. Team Eggie has provided modules that showcase their take on many other popular amps. So why arent you guys crucifying people who want to buy a SL2 to get Slash's tone? Or an EG5 to sound like DeMartini? If you want to sound like Chevelle or "good-era" Dream Theater, the only thing that really does THAT sound is a Mark amp.

Now, everyone knows that Egnater is BUSY BUSY BUSY. Theyve got tons of awesome stuff coming out we know about about probably more we do not know about. So, if a Mark high gain module doesnt fit with their game plan for this year or next, THAT IS FINE. They cannot drop everything on their plan to make that happen. A product road map takes a great deal of time and thought and Im sure they have a ton on their plate without such a module.

But please, dont attack guys suggesting such a module just because you prefer Marshalls and already have your style modules. That is not cool IMO.

And for the record, I would definitely be interested in a Mark high gain module (and probably COD+ even if it isnt it), but if it didnt happen, I am TOTALLY happy with my current set of modules. But more tones are always better right?

You my friend are exactly right.

.....but, I don't think that was what was meant by the other posts. Requesting the guys at Egnater to do "their take" on a Mesa/Mark high gain type amplifier is one thing, and it's a perfectly reasonable request given the other modules that are out there that are limited in that area. In fact, any request to the Egnater guys about giving "their take" on emulating an amp that is currently out there and giving a couple Egnater touches to it, is something I don't think anyone would fault you for (except maybe Bruce and Jeff of course ). However, asking the guys at Egnater to come up with a module that sounds just like "Metallica, Dream Theatre, Chevelle, etc." isn't a realistic request, and I think that was what people were trying to get at. Because of mic placement, different amps overlapped on top of each other, layered tracks, artist style, guitars, etc., etc., etc. there really isn't anyway you can perfectly recreate any single person/bands tone much less make a useful module that does that and more. You use the SL2 and Slash's tone as an example. The SL2 is Egnaters take on a hot rodded Marshall, not Slash's tone. Does it sound similar in some ways. Yes. Why? Because Slash played through a Marshall. If we were to say, "Give me an amp that sounds just like Slash." Well, that is not a realistic request because it's impossible. Too many variables determine Slash's tone. Even Slash can't tell you how he got his sought after tone on AfD, so how could we ask the guys at Egnater to do it? I think all that was trying to be said is if you are looking to sound exactly like one artist/band or another, asking Egnater to come up with a module to do that for you isn't very realistic.

Not to mention, Egnater isn't here to make amps that sound exactly like other amps that are already in production. They may produce something similar, but it's always going to have a twist to make it their own. How can you make money producing something that is the same as something else? What makes Egnater's stuff amazing is that it is similar to other stuff, but even better.

I think we all know whatever Egnater puts out there is going to be sweet as hell in some way or another. It may not be exactly the same as what you were hoping for, but it will still be sweet. The only way to get exactly what you want is to fine tune every single variable in the chain to get there and nobody can do that for you except you.....

 

[ruso]

I guess considering the majority of the comments above were pretty much directed towards me, I guess I should voice my opinion. IMO, a player's sound isn't just all in their fingers. It's a combination of both fingers andtone. Do you think SRV would have sounded like SRV plugged into a high gain modded JCM 800? In terms of sounding like how SRV plays, absolutely. But in terms of tone, hell no. If I hear a tone in my head that I feel would compliment my style of playing and technique and want to achieve it, there aren't too many directions to go about getting it. Actually going out and creating that tone without any sort of direction is almost impossible. But if you find an artist who has a similar tone to the one you are trying to achieve, you are much closer to getting that tone by using similar gear, etc. I don't personally don't see a problem with trying to simulate someone elses tone if that is the tone they are shooting for.

 

[Gino]

See, that's why Dan is in the band. He's the guy behind the guy.

And, ruso, I wouldn't be so sensitive as to think anyone is targeting you in particular. Well, I can only speak for myself... Actually, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular. It was an open rant to the guitar community.

 

[bbaug14]

See, that's why Dan is in the band. He's the guy behind the guy.

And, ruso, I wouldn't be so sensitive as to think anyone is targeting you in particular. Well, I can only speak for myself... Actually, I wasn't targeting anyone in particular. It was an open rant to the guitar community.

Agreed. I wasn't targeting anyone either. I was just trying to help get a point across that I felt might have been missed is all.

I also agree with you Ruso completely. My only point was that coming to the Egnater guys with, "Can you make a module that is similar to a Fender '59 Bassman" is a lot more doable on their part than saying, "Make a module that sounds like SRV." We all know we have artists we wish we could sound like and there are limitations with that. I guess I was just saying that if you want to sound like someone, do the leg work to figure out what gets them their sound rather than expecting Egnater to be able to reproduce it with a single module and have that be useful to them to do so.