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There is no proof to that statement, pure conjecture.. the vaccines were successful in keeping people out of the ICU and over running the health care system.
There is no proof to that statement, pure conjecture.. the vaccines were successful in keeping people out of the ICU and over running the health care system.
TONS of proof if you have a mind open enough to accept it.There is no proof to that statement, pure conjecture.
Yep. It went from you'll be protected to it keeps you symptoms "mild" in less than 6 months. Oh, and by the way, here's more shots for ya. SMHThere is no proof to that statement, pure conjecture.
Well, show me the clinical study, not someones opinion.TONS of proof if you have a mind open enough to accept it.
Nope. TONS of proof that the vaccine lessens symptoms.Yep.
Well, produce the science or I will start calling you TheRealDummy.Nope. TONS of proof that the vaccine lessens symptoms.
It's science so I wouldn't expect you to understand though.
Well, show me the clinical study, not someones opinion.
Discussing their methods, the authors write, “We used a test-negative design to estimate vaccine effectiveness by comparing the odds of a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 infection among vaccinated patients with those among unvaccinated patients.”
Their results showed that the vaccines were highly effective in preventing hospitalizations, stays in the ICU, and ER visits related to COVID-19. The results included the following highlights:
The researchers also found that vaccines were highly effective among groups whom the virus disproportionately affects, including people aged 85 years or older, Black and Hispanic adults, and individuals with chronic respiratory diseases.
- The mRNA vaccines — Moderna and Pfizer–BioNTech — were 89% effective in preventing hospitalization in confirmed positive cases of a SARS-CoV-2 infection.
- Both Moderna and Pfizer–BioNTech were 90% effective in preventing ICU admissions and 91% effective in preventing ER or urgent care visits.
- The Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 68% effective in preventing hospitalization and 73% effective in preventing ER or urgent care visits.
Findings
Between December 15,2020 and April 30,2021, 11,834 EC encounters were included:10,880 (91.9%) UV, 825 (7%) PV, 129 (1.1%) FV. Average age was 53.0 ± 18.2 and 52.8% were female. Accounting for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccination population groups in Michigan, the ED encounters/hospitalizations rate relevant to COVID-19 was 96% lower in FV versus UV (multiplicative effect:0.04, 95% CI 0.03 to 0.06, p < 0.001) in negative binomial regression. COVID-19 EC visits rate peaked at 22.61, 12.88, and 1.29 visits per 100000 for the UV, PV, and FV groups, respectively. In the propensity-score matching weights analysis, FV had a lower risk of composite disease compared to UV but statistically insignificant (HR 0.84, 95% CI 0.52 to 1.38).
Interpretation
The need for emergency care/hospitalization due to breakthrough COVID-19 is an exceedingly rare event in fully vaccinated patients. As vaccination has increased regionally, EC visits amongst fully vaccinated individuals have remained low and occur much less frequently than unvaccinated individuals. If hospital-based treatment is required, elderly patients with significant comorbidities are at high-risk for severe outcomes regardless of vaccination status.
Hey TheRealDummy, that is not a clinical trail, that is someones opinion. Do you not know the difference?
Well, produce the science or I will start calling you TheRealDummy.
As in with two control groups of the same age and comorbidities, one vaxxed, one not and exposed to the same virus strain. That's the science I want to see.Well, produce the science or I will start calling you TheRealDummy.
Hey TheRealDummy, that is not a clinical trail, that is someones opinion. Do you not know the difference?
As in with two control groups of the same age and comorbidities, one vaxxed, one not and exposed to the same virus strain. That's the science I want to see.
Not true. Numbers don't lie. ICU numbers were up and then once 70% of population was vaccinated, they went down. That's proof at least that people didn't die. Now were they not going to die anyway? Maybe initially anyone who was going to die, ended up in ICU and died and the vaccine made no different. Possible? Yes. But which is more likely?There is no proof to that statement, pure conjecture.
That may be true, but there is no proof that it was because of the vaccine.Not true. Numbers don't lie. ICU numbers were up and then once 70% of population was vaccinated, they went down. That's proof at least that people didn't die. Now were they not going to die anyway? Maybe initially anyone who was going to die, ended up in ICU and died and the vaccine made no different. Possible? Yes. But which is more likely?
Yes, totally agree, but that is not the way governments are handling it.Lots of discussion, I have total respect for many on here who have gone ahead with the shots, that’s your choice, and it should be anyone’s choice to do what they want with their body…
At this point, it’s been proven that this shot or numerous shots does not stop transmission so, my body— my choice, Your body, your choice.
That may be true, but there is no proof that it was because of the vaccine.