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PurityS.L.G said:
Well you just said it...in the hands of EVH. Its his playing that is magical. That tone is great but not that special or holy grail as obsessed guitar nerds make it to be.

And off the top of my head as promised

AC/DC
ZZ Top
Robin Trower
Mick Ronson
Queensryche duo
Accept duo
Lynch

Ok you got me. Don't have 10 off the top of my head but you get my point. Funny because I'm pretty sure that list is all Marshall and with great players.
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Sorry bro, you gotta take some off that list as it goes beyond 1981 lol.

Now post '81 I'd agree some of Lynch's tones are up there and I'll give a shout to Accept as well, freaking Metal Heart those tones are freaking awesome. QR never did anything for me.

Pre '81 though that's tough list because Ed sorta set the standard. I mean all my faves during that era their tones just couldn't hold up. Hey kudo's you tried.

I'll say this, I'm sure some will disagree but growing up and learning to play in that era people really just didn't analyze guitar tones as much. I mean if you had a Marshall and an OD you were good to go. It really wasn't until people started realizing what Ed did where tone really really started to matter. By the time the LA thing hit everyone was chasing their own tone.
 
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jabps said:
Sorry bro, you gotta take some off that list as it goes beyond 1981 lol.

Now post '81 I'd agree some of Lynch's tones are up there and I'll give a shout to Accept as well, freaking Metal Heart those tones are freaking awesome. QR never did anything for me.

Pre '81 though that's tough list because Ed sorta set the standard. I mean all my faves during that era their tones just couldn't hold up. Hey kudo's you tried.

I'll say this, I'm sure some will disagree but growing up and learning to play in that era people really just didn't analyze guitar tones as much. I mean if you had a Marshall and an OD you were good to go. It really wasn't until people started realizing what Ed did where tone really really started to matter. By the time the LA thing hit everyone was chasing their own tone.
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I agree with Purity that there isn't much that's special about the actual TONE of the EVH records - it's certainly a great tone, no doubt

But Michael/Rudy Schenker, Uli, Wolf Hoffman, plenty of people were doing fantastic cranked plexi tones that are absolutely on the level of eddie

I think people are confusing "liking EVH's playing" with "the brown sound/shidd pant toan"
 
RaceU4her said:
ive posted this i dont know how many times and it seems to go in one ear and out the other with them, Soldano says "its the most stock 68 plexi ever"


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I thought the Soldano HR25 was a fantastic sounding amp...............:2thumbsup:

 
I'm sorry but no one is able to replicate this tone accurently those who come closest are those using load resistors and the cerrem mod plus the 6 band eq. The brown sound kemper profile also uses a 6 band eq.





this is without variac and the cerrem mod. What i've discovered about eddies rig is that it's way more complex that what people believe and the plexi had small little mods. Moreover i believe it was cascaded just listen to the bugera 1960 infinium which has a tone quite close. I bet that The bugera + the cerrem and the 6 band eq would get you there. One thing which is nice is that the way the cerrem mod interracts with the josé master volume is impossible to reproduce with modelers.

the first clip is with a 50 watters no variac but with the cerrem mod at 470ohm 100w which i believe sounds the best on a 50watter.

the second one is the same amp but with 100ohm 50w.
 
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harddriver said:
I thought the Soldano HR25 was a fantastic sounding amp...............:2thumbsup:

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harddriver said:
Where it is stock tell me ? here is a 12000 stock series

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here is ed's amp

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Choke isn't stock it's the latter versions. THe OT transformer is way thiccker than the dagnal c 1998. José did indeed change the transformers as eddie said in an interview.

Then you have the pot on the back which was perhaps a josé master volume with diodes or transistors or anything going on with v1 or a cascade mod.

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top is ed's amp with teflon wire as friedman recieved it after von wheelden. Bottom is 12308sl and it is completely stock.

let's see if ed's amp is stock ? from the left v1 normal channel is a cherry drop and v1 bright channel is a tiny blue cap instead of mustards. Then the .68 over v2 was removed and they added a fat cap a 470uf originally which was decreased to 330uf. Then after the blue cap you have again a cherry drop instead of a mustard.

the only reason you remove a mustard cap is for modding. Moreover the components which have been changed greatly impact tone. what happened is that the amp was modded between 1978 and 1979 and then josé arredondo was diagnosed with cancer and they probably put it back to stock as eddie thought his early sound was too bright. When mike soldano saw the amp it was already brought back to stock but with unoriginal components. Because the guy who modded the amp probably lost those mustards over time or used them in other amps. He filled back the voids with what he got left at home.

Don't strickly or mindlessly believe what techs say the board says more than their claims. What is true is that they saw an amp with non stock components but with stock values. The only guy who saw eddie's amp in his glorious day is apparently Chris Merren and he is the one who leaked the cerrem mod. He also advocated the cascading of gain stages and it's by discussing with him that rockstah came out with the idea of the mod V. Chris Merren is perhaps the only guy on this planet who knows what weird stuff eddie was doing to his plexi.

if the amp wasn't from eddie he wouldn't sell or be valued for a lot of money because it's completely non stock. Most mustards are missing, transformers are not original... This is a frankenamp. Even for a 12000 series it would sell very low in the actual market if no one knew it was ed's.

there is again one proof that we shouldn't always believe what techs tell us. When dave friedman leaked the EVH specs he leaked the stock 12000 specs and those usually come with a 32+32uf preamp filter cap (the big one in blue) so he assumed it was the case originally. Well in eddie's amp picture you can clearly see that it is smaller than in 12308 which means that it wasn't a 32+32 uf but a 16+16uf or a 8+8uf. that's completely different.
 
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Beyond Black said:
Can you fathom being so Edtarded to still be obsessing over the minutiae of his rig when that motherfucker could have plugged into a Gorilla and still sounded Iike that?
Holy fuck, go play your guitar, man.
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So, you are criticizing a guy for talking about gear on The Gear Page?
 
I’m just gonna say it , as far as “iconic” guitar tones( and it is to me too for sure ), I think EVH’s early tones are some of the easiest to get 99.9 percent there, maybe even dead on , compared to other super famous and influential tones. Could be because alot of it was obviously mono guitar tracks, and those are much easier to nail vs stereo double tracked/quad tracked guitar tones, and I think that’s probably a big part of it honestly. No one can play like him don’t get me wrong, but catching the vibe of EVH’s early tones or basically sounding almost damn near identical with the equipment, knowledge and documentation we have today in the digital and analog world? Pretty easy to do.
 
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VESmedic said:
I’m just gonna say it , as far as “iconic” guitar tones( and it is to me too for sure ), I think EVH’s early tones are some of the easiest to get 99.9 percent there, maybe even dead on , compared to other super famous and influential tones. Could be because alot of it was obviously mono guitar tracks, and those are much easier to nail vs stereo double tracked/quad tracked guitar tones, and I think that’s probably a big part of it honestly. No one can play like him don’t get me wrong, but catching of EVH’s early tones or basically sounding almost damn near identical with the equipment, knowledge and documentation we have today in the digital and analog world? Pretty easy to do.
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Absolutely. I'm not even a huge EVH fan and I've gotten pretty close just dicking around.

It's a really easy tone to get most of the way there, as long as you don't suck at guitar tbh
 
njshred said:
Ironically, the only guy not trying to recreate the sound of the first VH album was Eddie.
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Kinda of amazing really if people would just think about it.

Here's a guy who knows his tone is iconic and yet could have had literally any amp manufacturer (even Peavey) design him an amp to mimic his Marshall and he goes in a completely different direction.

And not just once but twice with his own branded amps.
 
Didn't EVH & Ted Nugent try out each other's rigs during a soundcheck in the late 1970s.

Paraphrashing EVH, "I plugged into Nugent's [rig] & still sounded like me. Nugent plugged into mine & he sounded like himself".
 
Amp_chaser said:
I'm sorry but no one is able to replicate this tone accurently those who come closest are those using load resistors and the cerrem mod plus the 6 band eq. The brown sound kemper profile also uses a 6 band eq.





this is without variac and the cerrem mod. What i've discovered about eddies rig is that it's way more complex that what people believe and the plexi had small little mods. Moreover i believe it was cascaded just listen to the bugera 1960 infinium which has a tone quite close. I bet that The bugera + the cerrem and the 6 band eq would get you there. One thing which is nice is that the way the cerrem mod interracts with the josé master volume is impossible to reproduce with modelers.

the first clip is with a 50 watters no variac but with the cerrem mod at 470ohm 100w which i believe sounds the best on a 50watter.

the second one is the same amp
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To Amp_chaser, I think it's cool to notice all the nuances. I'm not here to bash you.

I personally do not know what the choke does.

I'm a huge VH fan, maybe we do need a subforum for VH.
 
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DanTravis62 said:
I CAN HOSS THE PANTS SHIDD TOAN TOO BORTHER

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Yes......But is that a LARRY BROWN TONE you recorded?.....:unsure:I think that was a Guns and Rose's song wasn't it?

Don't cheat us with using your new Peavey 5150.......................................

Spill the beans Mr. Travis.................. :LOL:

 
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aftec said:
With all do respect, that's exactly 0.000001% of the tone. 99% were his hands..
Besides, we have absolutely no idea how that amps sounded like in the room, because we only have the recorded sound, meaning your ears approx 1 inch away from a speaker blasting a 120db, multiple mics, different speakers mixed, EQd and compressed at least on the mixbus.
I have full respect for your enthusiasm, but there is a life beyond EVH's tone decades ago.
BTW do you know Elvis is living in Barbados? I bet there are some pictures on the Area 51 forum.
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It's a shame they didn't have cell phones in the 70s huh. This entire mystery could have been solved decades ago.
 
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