Van halen 1 choke wasn't a c1999 choke

311splawndude · Friday at 3:43 AM

I think it is cool to talk about this stuff :dunno:

This is largely an amplifier forum no?
It may have been covered to death on Metro or Marshall forums but who cares?
Don't like talking about, just ignore it.
Then again, I'm relatively new to all of this compared to most of you.

I do have a VH thread on Off Topic Music Favs or whatever it is called. Everyone is free to post in there too :cheers:

PS: Good on you @Amp_chaser and I thought your clip was pretty spot on :yes:

DanTravis62 · Friday at 3:53 AM

311splawndude said:
I think it is cool to talk about this stuff
This is largely an amplifier forum no?
It may have been covered to death on Metro or Marshall forums but who cares?
Don't like talking about, just ignore it.
Then again, I'm relatively new to all of this compared to most of you.

I do have a VH thread on Off Topic Music Favs or whatever it is called. Everyone is free to post in there too

PS: Good on you @Amp_chaser and I thought your clip was pretty spot on

We care because it's fake news and it's obnoxious

If literally every thread on this website was something untrue that annoyed you, lets say

"nick hexum is a crappy guitar player and Diamond ripped a bunch of people off and Jeff Diamant is a PDF file"

and I told you to "just ignore it you baby, it's an amplifier forum"

You'd probably think you were being GENEROUS by saying "please make a separate subforum for your constant barrage of fake bullshit"

Floyd Eye · Friday at 5:37 AM

DanTravis62 said:
We care because it's fake news and it's obnoxious

If literally every thread on this website was something untrue that annoyed you, lets say

"nick hexum is a crappy guitar player and Diamond ripped a bunch of people off and Jeff Diamant is a PDF file"

and I told you to "just ignore it you baby, it's an amplifier forum"

You'd probably think you were being GENEROUS by saying "please make a separate subforum for your constant barrage of fake bullshit"

You could just quit clicking on VH threads. It's an internet web forum. Lots of shit is obnoxious.

DanTravis62 · Friday at 5:55 AM

Floyd Eye said:
You could just quit clicking on VH threads. It's an internet web forum. Lots of shit is obnoxious.

That's literally why we're asking for a sub forum - so it's POSSIBLE to avoid it

DanTravis62 · Friday at 5:58 AM

Floyd Eye said:
You could just quit clicking on VH threads. It's an internet web forum. Lots of shit is obnoxious.

If you want, I can post hundreds of times in the main forum about Taylor swifts guitar rig, and we can see how much you enjoy ignoring it?

Floyd Eye · Friday at 5:58 AM

DanTravis62 said:
That's literally why we're asking for a sub forum - so it's POSSIBLE to avoid it

It is possible though brother. If you see Van Halen, EVH, Eddie or any other VH related jargon in the thread title, don't click on it. Simple.

That said, I don't oppose a VH subforum. There's enough interesting stuff surrounding Edward Van Halen to support one.

Floyd Eye · Friday at 5:59 AM

DanTravis62 said:
If you want, I can post hundreds of times in the main forum about Taylor swifts guitar rig, and we can see how much you enjoy ignoring it?

Go ahead. I ignore a great deal of shit in the main forum. I probably click on about 6% of the threads there because most of the topic(s) don't interest me.

DanTravis62 · Friday at 6:06 AM

Floyd Eye said:
Go ahead. I ignore a great deal of shit in the main forum. I probably click on about 6% of the threads there because most of the topic(s) don't interest me.

Then the mods might as well move all the OT bullshit back to the main forum

That's awesome you enjoy having your feed filled with inane nonsense that's been beaten to death, but not all of us have that superpower

Floyd Eye · Friday at 6:07 AM

DanTravis62 said:
Then the mods might as well move all the OT bullshit back to the main forum

That's awesome you enjoy having your feed filled with inane nonsense that's been beaten to death, but not all of us have that superpower

There is no internet forum where every single topic/thread is something I give a shit about. It's SOP to scroll through and click on things that interest you.

311splawndude · Friday at 6:22 AM

DanTravis62 said:
We care because it's fake news and it's obnoxious

If literally every thread on this website was something untrue that annoyed you, lets say

"nick hexum is a crappy guitar player and Diamond ripped a bunch of people off and Jeff Diamant is a PDF file"

and I told you to "just ignore it you baby, it's an amplifier forum"

You'd probably think you were being GENEROUS by saying "please make a separate subforum for your constant barrage of fake bullshit"

Fair

@Amp_chaser has like 5 threads total, most seem pretty productive :dunno:

I would agree Nick Hexum is not necessarily the greatest guitarist. Then again, 311 is not really that kind of band anyway. Tim Mahoney, lead guitarist, is pretty good and I love his tone. He used to use Diamond. Now mostly Mesa and his Uber. Nick is still on a Dual Rec as IIRC. Not sure who Jeff Diamant is. But I get your point. Have a great weekend Dan. Cheers :cheers:

PS: Like Ed and his gear or not, most of us are at probably at least indirectly here because of him :yes:

Amp_chaser · Friday at 6:29 AM

You know I believe there is a protect Ed’s tone mystification behind some famous amp builders. I bet very few know what was going on but don’t want to take advantage of it which is I think quite respectuous. However many of us still want to know what was going on with this amp during vh1 and vh2.

My bet is that the Steve Vai Jose dlr amp has a similar circuit that Ed’s amp got in 1978 and 1979 but with some variations in the values and minus some mods like the cerrem. Pete Thorn never sounded as close as vh1 compared to when he played Steve vai’s amp.

jabps · Friday at 6:58 AM

Amp_chaser said:
You know I believe there is a protect Ed’s tone mystification behind some famous amp builders.

I disagree. And if I was an amp builder I would disagree even more. It's not a sacred artifact, it's just an amp.

And as much builders love their craft, they are also in a business to make some profit. I don't see builders giving their amps away for free. And I don't see any issue in builders trying to replicate that tone. I'm not advocating builders blatantly ripping off other builders but the EVH amp is more less public domain since it's been dissected so much. The fact is Ed's tone has been sold for years from guys with their take on it but the primary ingredient was EVH. So even if someone gets almost all the way there with a perfect replica of that amp, they ain't Ed.

RaceU4her · Friday at 7:36 AM

DanTravis62 said:
That's literally why we're asking for a sub forum - so it's POSSIBLE to avoid it

i dont know why guys wouldnt want all the info, interviews, concerts and whatever else all in one nice central spot where everything can be easily accessed :dunno:

i think about it like the bumble bee girl in the Blind Melon video, she basically just wants to sound like VH1 but the people she is playing for arent appreciative and telling her things like get a ToneX, but then she finds the right spot where other bee's are playing Panama with tones that really arent that close, but still they are in complete joy doing spin jumps and shit and its just so heart touching. i could see the EVH being very much the same vibe.

RaceU4her · Friday at 10:09 AM

SmashingAtom said:
I have to say that it is beyond belief that all these arm chair quarterbacks can . . . wow. The idea that it is all signed sealed and delivered is preposterous. You dudes are . . . So did anybody do a forensic exam on this shit ? no, obviously. Thats how bad it is. You wanna think his tone is meh, go ahead. I just got a new reel of studio tapes and your insane. The track to track tones from the first record are nuts. 40 + songs . So yeah, as long as you asshats are around, slathering in the internet bullshit, knowing nothing, contributing nothing , so be it, I know where not to go to ask questions and share my rediculous wealth of information. Idiocracy lives ! cheetos and pepsi for all on a pleather couch, jerry springer re runds and whatermacalltitmuhh...

shit yeah

Cless357 · Friday at 10:57 AM

Who has tried the Cerrem mod? Opinions?

Amp_chaser · Friday at 10:57 AM

jabps said:
I disagree. And if I was an amp builder I would disagree even more. It's not a sacred artifact, it's just an amp.

And as much builders love their craft, they are also in a business to make some profit. I don't see builders giving their amps away for free. And I don't see any issue in builders trying to replicate that tone. I'm not advocating builders blatantly ripping off other builders but the EVH amp is more less public domain since it's been dissected so much. The fact is Ed's tone has been sold for years from guys with their take on it but the primary ingredient was EVH. So even if someone gets almost all the way there with a perfect replica of that amp, they ain't Ed.

it's true that ed will always be the impossible factor to replicate. David bray makes a plexi with some mods in v1 and v2 which create a similar sound but it's not exactly how it sounds. I never owned an audette plexi however many say he was the real deal. Granger and germinos are close to stock and they are good for almost everything after vh2. The bugera infinium has the hot tone of VH1 but it hasn't the sponginess. Kruse plays a lot with it's vvr and variac mod. however no one claims to sell the real deal because no one knows what it was haha.

i believe there are amp builders who don't want to damage ed's image. For example Chris merren when he leaked the cerrem mod he said that he has done enough damage to the legend already and that he should stop.

Amp_chaser · Friday at 11:01 AM

Cless357 said:
Who has tried the Cerrem mod? Opinions?

I did the issue is that it reacts differently according to your wattage 4 power tubes or 2 power tubes and according to your Output transformer. I tried on my 50w with a 470ohm 50w and it sounded almost spot on for the sponginess of the tone. I tried to reduce to 100ohms 50w but the eq sound was like compressed within a linear eq which kinda could sound sterile. For a 100w the results would be very different, the same on your sv20. I tried it on the sv and it doesn't work well.

Cless357 · Friday at 11:19 AM

Amp_chaser said:
I did the issue is that it reacts differently according to your wattage 4 power tubes or 2 power tubes and according to your Output transformer. I tried on my 50w with a 470ohm 50w and it sounded almost spot on for the sponginess of the tone. I tried to reduce to 100ohms 50w but the eq sound was like compressed within a linear eq which kinda could sound sterile. For a 100w the results would be very different, the same on your sv20. I tried it on the sv and it doesn't work well.

Yes, according to what I've read, it makes the tone flat, limiting the interaction between the amp and the speaker and the associated bass and treble boosts.

jabps · Friday at 11:57 AM

Amp_chaser said:
it's true that ed will always be the impossible factor to replicate. David bray makes a plexi with some mods in v1 and v2 which create a similar sound but it's not exactly how it sounds. I never owned an audette plexi however many say he was the real deal. Granger and germinos are close to stock and they are good for almost everything after vh2. The bugera infinium has the hot tone of VH1 but it hasn't the sponginess. Kruse plays a lot with it's vvr and variac mod. however no one claims to sell the real deal because no one knows what it was haha.

i believe there are amp builders who don't want to damage ed's image. For example Chris merren when he leaked the cerrem mod he said that he has done enough damage to the legend already and that he should stop.

What would damage Ed's image though. That he possibly could have used a juiced amp? Does anyone really care?

To me the question should be, why did Ed move on from the amp afterall he could have had any manufacturer build him the exact amp but he went for an amp that pretty much set the standard for high gain, the complete opposite of that Marshall.

For me I think the most interesting thing of all of this is the Room Mic recordings of the first album, to me it just sounds like a cranked Marshall that he worked with his volume knob. But again more power to those that want to take the deep dive, we all need hobbies.

thegame · Friday at 12:17 PM

jabps said:
For me I think the most interesting thing of all of this is the Room Mic recordings of the first album, to me it just sounds like a cranked Marshall that he worked with his volume knob. But again more power to those that want to take the deep dive, we all need hobbies.

These guys are chasing the mixed, mastered, (outboard gear) compressed, reverbed and EQ'd tone. The ACTUAL amp from the ACTUAL TAKE, from a room mic'd perspective sounds like a very nice plexi (perhaps on the gain-ier side of average) but still with way less gain than the finished product. Remember, EVH literally said that engineer Donn Landee "made it sound like more than it actually was", regarding VH 1 tone. With these recently revealed recordings, now we know what he meant: