Ventura + Herbert...???

[Mailman1971]

Wait till you A/B that Bogner against the Herbert......

 

[glassjaw7]

Wait till you A/B that Bogner against the Herbert......

I'm swimming with the sharks by even posting here, having not played either amp; But I think the Bogner and the Diezel are on totally opposite ends of the spectrum. One probably wouldn't blow the other away as they excel in different areas. Just my .02 having only played the 101B and VH4.
You've just gone Diezel-crazy Danno!!

 

[Mailman1971]

Wait till you A/B that Bogner against the Herbert......

I'm swimming with the sharks by even posting here, having not played either amp; But I think the Bogner and the Diezel are on totally opposite ends of the spectrum. One probably wouldn't blow the other away as they excel in different areas. Just my .02 having only played the 101B and VH4.
You've just gone Diezel-crazy Danno!!

Nah........I just like messing with Mo!

 

[Ventura]

Wait till you A/B that Bogner against the Herbert......

I'm swimming with the sharks by even posting here, having not played either amp; But I think the Bogner and the Diezel are on totally opposite ends of the spectrum. One probably wouldn't blow the other away as they excel in different areas. Just my .02 having only played the 101B and VH4.
You've just gone Diezel-crazy Danno!!

Nah........I just like messing with Mo!

That you are Big Dawg... As soon as I read the A/B bit a few posts above, I was going to say those EXACT words - the fact that I'd presume they're completely different animals altogether, and wouldn't really prove anything in an A/B showdown. I mean hell, I even bought a 'different style' guitar to complement the 20thA and it simply kills (then again, going back to my Lesters just kills it some more, so really - it was a completely irrational purchase and I tried to rationalize it by thinking the 20thA needed a different guitar - HA!! ). Considering I have the VH4S and the 20thA - oddly enough, just the other night I was kinda comparing them, and they do "do" a lot of similar stuff... They can both go clean to mean and clear to near-nuclear, but the XTC does it with, IMHO, WAY more tone from start to finish. The VH4S really shines in the last 1/2 of its sonic spectrum (crunch to hi-gain), if that makes any sense. But for easy playing, tone-rich sound that just drips from the amp, the 20thA is the bidniz. For tight, razor sharp full throttle gain that really gets monstrous when the volume opens up? The V kicks.

Different animals - but I'm stoked to be trying out a Herbert fo'shizzle.

Keep da peace, Danno!! You and Pauly oughta get endorsement deals from Peter & Crew!! Spreading the infectious notion that ONE Diezel just ain't enuff.

V. (aka Mo, Mojo)

 

[guitarlegend1986]

I'm willing to bet that your definition of "razor sharp gain" is about to change completly after you rip into the herbert....your old vh4s still sounds amazing, and the 20th i tried out was great too... but nothing sounds like the herbert. Channel 2+ is gonna blow you away my friend....

 

[RJF]

I finally played a silver face VH4 next to my Herbert, both through my German Diezel 412 and was not impressed with the VH4. Herbert sounded like the VH4 without the mid cut engaged. I also actually found my Herbert to be tighter and clearer sounding, but I think that is because I have KT88's and the VH4 had 6L6's.

The nay sayers can talk up the VH4 all day long, but the Herbert IS an upgrade.

 

[Mailman1971]

I finally played a silver face VH4 next to my Herbert, both through my German Diezel 412 and was not impressed with the VH4. Herbert sounded like the VH4 without the mid cut engaged. I also actually found my Herbert to be tighter and clearer sounding, but I think that is because I have KT88's and the VH4 had 6L6's.

The nay sayers can talk up the VH4 all day long, but the Herbert IS an upgrade.

That was the first thing I thought of when I plugged into the Herbert(I still owned the VH4S at the time) "I can get the VH4 tones out of the Herbert but just a 'tad' meaner' on channel 2"
then Channel 3 just crushes everything else.
So I sold the VH4 and bought the Herbert. Have ZERO regrets!
I dont use the mid-cut switch and can get damn near any tone from this amp.
From plexi'ish' tones up to the heaviest modern metal. And they all sound great!
Channel 2 with the + engaged / gain at noon is Hot rod Hair Metal heaven!!
Crank the gain to 3/4 and its metal land. All on that one channel.
Cant say enough. If you want a Diezel.....Herbert is King.

 

[Ventura]

Alright, here's a question, is the +/- option of the 2nd Channel MIDI controllable on the Herbert?

Secondly, what is Channel 3 all about - seriously, who's using it and for what? I know Channel 2 is the magnet of affection for many, but what's happening with Channel 3?

Thirdly, I've seen lots of talk that Channel 1 is a 'better' clean than Channel 1 of the VH4(S). Care to explain? I've yet to get the Herbert under my roof, might take a week or so, I find out on Monday, but in the the meantime, I'm trying to figure out the benefits of this head from an operations standpoint before I dive in to actually listening to it.

Thanks for any advice/feedback...
V.

 

[Mailman1971]

I Dont play channel one.......but it sounds good.
Channel 3 just takes off where 2 stops.
I would say the gain at noon on channel 3 is about the gain nearly dimed on Channel 2.
I dont think the +/- is midi switchable but I could be wrong.

 

[MARK2C]

Alright, here's a question, is the +/- option of the 2nd Channel MIDI controllable on the Herbert?

Secondly, what is Channel 3 all about - seriously, who's using it and for what? I know Channel 2 is the magnet of affection for many, but what's happening with Channel 3?

Thirdly, I've seen lots of talk that Channel 1 is a 'better' clean than Channel 1 of the VH4(S). Care to explain? I've yet to get the Herbert under my roof, might take a week or so, I find out on Monday, but in the the meantime, I'm trying to figure out the benefits of this head from an operations standpoint before I dive in to actually listening to it.

Thanks for any advice/feedback...
V.

To get the + and - midi switchable you would need to mod where the 16 Ohm tap is and make it into a footswitch, tip to sleeve and use an effects unit's relay switching
or an RJM Mini Amp Gizmo. Channel 3 can go from flutey Eric Johnson leads to chugga chugga brutalz by using the treble knob. The mid cut is like a studio tone shaping tool
and is has a treasure of tones to find, but mainly I keep it at 9:00 with the level at 12:30. The cleans are really subjective. Is one better than the other, no but they are different
and they are both great. Since you are an ardent purveyor of the VH4, you will quickly hear what each amp does differently and how they react differently in many ways.

 

[nbarts]

I think the (+) switch should be removed & it should be in (-) permanent.

If you play live & you play loud, you'll enjoy CH3 Herbert for riffing, much more than say an Uberschall, especially cool & sweet with something like Ubercab with a lot of gain & brutal & crunchy with something like Mesa Traditional Rectifier cab with little gain.
Uberschall is the sweetest amp if you play it not so loud.

ch1 is just very different from VH4 ch1, not necessarily better or worse. I use both depending on what I want. vh4 clean is more like a synthesizer than a real clean channel. I can see spiteful comments coming.

 

[ttosh]

I can hardly wait to hear what V. has to say, the Herbert is in one of my all time favorite amps period. My goal before year end is to add a Herbert back to go with my 20th XTC. The two together can cover pretty much anything I would possibly want. I am really missing channel 2 of the Herbert, the +/- modes are still haunting me daily.

V. chime back in, as you have the XTC, once you get the Herbert you can use that VH4 for a pretty doorstop.

 

[bronz79]

Alright, here's a question, is the +/- option of the 2nd Channel MIDI controllable on the Herbert?

Secondly, what is Channel 3 all about - seriously, who's using it and for what? I know Channel 2 is the magnet of affection for many, but what's happening with Channel 3?

Thirdly, I've seen lots of talk that Channel 1 is a 'better' clean than Channel 1 of the VH4(S). Care to explain? I've yet to get the Herbert under my roof, might take a week or so, I find out on Monday, but in the the meantime, I'm trying to figure out the benefits of this head from an operations standpoint before I dive in to actually listening to it.

Thanks for any advice/feedback...
V.

1, read the "tech" advice from Mark2c.
2, ch3: heavy,massive rythm or liquid leads. ( you can't reach Herbert brutalness,metal heaviness in the VH4..and for those tones Herbert is a true winner A/B)
3) vh4 ch1 is dryer,Herbert ch1 more lively,juicy.

 

[Ventura]

Thanks to everyone thus far - awesome feedback, great chime in's, and M2C, I loved the "ardent purveyor", I don't think I've ever quite been referred to as that regarding anything, but I liked it Diction is obviously not your weak point.

Tim, Danno, Pauly, Kevin, everyone - I'll definitely give you my 2 cents worth once it arrives... And AFTER a good 20+ hours on it.

Peace,
V.

PS - Tim, looks as though you and I are kinda following the same sonic pathways here... Cosmic, m'man, very cosmic. The 20thA is a masterpiece, and requires no further discussion here. From here on in, it's whether or not I'll find the tone of the Herbert more to my liking or not; and its options better or less than the V. Subjective, qualitative, and intriguing to say the least.