Vh4 not forgiving when herbert is ???

[ttosh]

ok ...can you guys see the ''problem'' here?
we god tons of people commenting on the vh4 and how good it is. TONS of videos
in youtube, but we get for the Herbert. COME one show some respect from the Herbie guys.
Post comments on the Herbert and please...someone a GOOD clip of Herbert. all channels from its cleanest to its hardest.
comeonee.... HERBERT clip asap

If you are wanting a clip for a purchase decision I say try to find somebody close that has one. No clip of any amp will let you know how it feels to play, or give you any idea of the full tonal assault with you behind the wheel.

 

[killertone]

ok ...can you guys see the ''problem'' here?
we god tons of people commenting on the vh4 and how good it is. TONS of videos
in youtube, but we get for the Herbert. COME one show some respect from the Herbie guys.
Post comments on the Herbert and please...someone a GOOD clip of Herbert. all channels from its cleanest to its hardest.
comeonee.... HERBERT clip asap

I will do this as soon as my Herbert comes in next week. I make high quality clips so you will get the true story.

 

[MARK2C]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

 

[ttosh]

ok ...can you guys see the ''problem'' here?
we god tons of people commenting on the vh4 and how good it is. TONS of videos
in youtube, but we get for the Herbert. COME one show some respect from the Herbie guys.
Post comments on the Herbert and please...someone a GOOD clip of Herbert. all channels from its cleanest to its hardest.
comeonee.... HERBERT clip asap

I will do this as soon as my Herbert comes in next week. I make high quality clips so you will get the true story.

+1 if you want a good clip, here is the guy to give you one!!

 

[Bato]

@sonic

You want some Herbertclips?

Serach in Youtube for "Bon Jovi Amsterdam 2005".
With a little patience you´ll get every song of that gig. Richie is playing two Herbs.

 

[Mailman1971]

Here is a good Herbie Clip....
My Favorite part is at the 2:00 area........

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

I said that the VH4 felt "cold" - and I'm not deaf or 13. I used exclamation marks for a reason; so that people would understand it's a phrase, used to describe something that is, in many cases, difficult to describe unless you actually own it and know it back to front, which I don't. To me, it felt "icy" and "quick"; which is a compliment.

What's the opposite of cold? Warm? In which case you're looking at Vox or Orange, as an example, and the VH4 doesn't sound like an AC30 or a Rocker 30.

 

[FourT6and2]

Here is a good Herbie Clip....
My Favorite part is at the 2:00 area........

This is exactly why I chose the VH4 over the Herbert. When trying them out in the store, I had the Herbert's mids cranked all the way and it still didn't have enough mid-range for my taste. The VH4, on the other hand, has tons of mids and is voiced more to my liking. It just sounds and feels more aggressive and has more balls. I don't understand why people say the VH4 can't do metal. It's a metal machine through and through. So is the Herbert, though. Both amps can do any type of music, they're just voiced differently.

That clip sounds good. But, there just isn't enough beefy mid-range for me. No matter how you slice it, even with the mids cranked the Herbert doesn't have enough for my needs.

 

[MARK2C]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

I said that the VH4 felt "cold" - and I'm not deaf or 13. I used exclamation marks for a reason; so that people would understand it's a phrase, used to describe something that is, in many cases, difficult to describe unless you actually own it and know it back to front, which I don't. To me, it felt "icy" and "quick"; which is a compliment.

What's the opposite of cold? Warm? In which case you're looking at Vox or Orange, as an example, and the VH4 doesn't sound like an AC30 or a Rocker 30.

It's still not an accurate description of the VH4 overall. From the early amps to around 2003- 2004 they were actually considered dark sounding. From 2005 and 2006
they were made a bit brighter and in 2007 to current production they have been made much, much brighter. Icy would be a description of the 2007+ VH4 with the Treble at
2:00 and the presence at 2:00 on Ch. 3 which is too high. So many VH4 and Herbert clips are made too thin and buzzy. They both fatten up and get massive when you turn the treble down a bit and go easier on the presence and mid cut in the Herbert's case. You also need to step about 10-15 feet away from the cab's to hear what is really going on.

VH4 Clip- A Virtual Clinic of VH4 tone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OX8zZrN_LM

Herbert Clip: My Fave with massive chunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imB2h4Sv-g

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

I said that the VH4 felt "cold" - and I'm not deaf or 13. I used exclamation marks for a reason; so that people would understand it's a phrase, used to describe something that is, in many cases, difficult to describe unless you actually own it and know it back to front, which I don't. To me, it felt "icy" and "quick"; which is a compliment.

What's the opposite of cold? Warm? In which case you're looking at Vox or Orange, as an example, and the VH4 doesn't sound like an AC30 or a Rocker 30.

It's still not an accurate description of the VH4 overall. From the early amps to around 2003- 2004 they were actually considered dark sounding. From 2005 and 2006
they were made a bit brighter and in 2007 to current production they have been made much, much brighter. Icy would be a description of the 2007+ VH4 with the Treble at
2:00 and the presence at 2:00 on Ch. 3 which is too high. So many VH4 and Herbert clips are made too thin and buzzy. They both fatten up and get massive when you turn the treble down a bit and go easier on the presence and mid cut in the Herbert's case. You also need to step about 10-15 feet away from the cab's to hear what is really going on.

VH4 Clip- A Virtual Clinic of VH4 tone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OX8zZrN_LM

Herbert Clip: My Fave with massive chunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imB2h4Sv-g

The word "cold" is probably not an accurate description to describe a stiff sound, but I still don't appreciate being called a deaf 13 year old, even if it was indirectly.

I read another comment of yours saying you have opinions, but you're polite about them. That felt like an insult more so than a deserved observation or opinion. But that's just the way I took it.

 

[Mailman1971]

I think a better way to describe the VH4 is DYNAMIC with great articulation.
If you fuck up.......you will hear it.
Compressed is the Cobra and the Fireball 100.
the VH4 is a great sounding amp.
And yes.......alot of the 'tone' is in how you play it.
So I guess in the fingers?

Attack it hard......you get it.
Plink softly....its breathes tone.
Love it!

 

[MARK2C]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

I said that the VH4 felt "cold" - and I'm not deaf or 13. I used exclamation marks for a reason; so that people would understand it's a phrase, used to describe something that is, in many cases, difficult to describe unless you actually own it and know it back to front, which I don't. To me, it felt "icy" and "quick"; which is a compliment.

What's the opposite of cold? Warm? In which case you're looking at Vox or Orange, as an example, and the VH4 doesn't sound like an AC30 or a Rocker 30.

It's still not an accurate description of the VH4 overall. From the early amps to around 2003- 2004 they were actually considered dark sounding. From 2005 and 2006
they were made a bit brighter and in 2007 to current production they have been made much, much brighter. Icy would be a description of the 2007+ VH4 with the Treble at
2:00 and the presence at 2:00 on Ch. 3 which is too high. So many VH4 and Herbert clips are made too thin and buzzy. They both fatten up and get massive when you turn the treble down a bit and go easier on the presence and mid cut in the Herbert's case. You also need to step about 10-15 feet away from the cab's to hear what is really going on.

VH4 Clip- A Virtual Clinic of VH4 tone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OX8zZrN_LM

Herbert Clip: My Fave with massive chunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imB2h4Sv-g

The word "cold" is probably not an accurate description to describe a stiff sound, but I still don't appreciate being called a deaf 13 year old, even if it was indirectly.

I read another comment of yours saying you have opinions, but you're polite about them. That felt like an insult more so than a deserved observation or opinion. But that's just the way I took it.

Everyones nomenclature is different when it comes to describing an amps character. I am not here to rag on anyone, especially someone who
does not own a VH4 or Herbert or has owned one for some time, but I prefer the terminology to be a bit more authentic when describing Diezel's. Cold is generally accepted as thin, buzzy, bright and having no smoothness/warmth. Stiff can also be interpreted as accurate or tight, which the VH4 is. Again, nothing personal but spend some more time with the VH4 and tell us what you really think. Playing one just once for 10 minutes is not a fair way to asses an amp, especially the VH4. Besides, calling someone a deaf 13 year old is a statement, not an opinion. It's a back handed way to describe someone who you find at Guitar Center chugging away on a PRS down tuned through a $5000 amp
and B-52 cab having the gain, treble, bass and presence dimed and mids at 0. We have all heard it a million times. I apologize if you feel upset about thinking it referred to you.
It was not.

 

[sonic]

i have to say that i am very angry and dissapointed about all the videos i have seen in youtube about herbert.
I just told to my bandmate ...: ''what an amazing amp in the hands of someone that knows what to do with it...''
I feel like the ones that are on the net, are deaf. I cant describe it better cause i will become really insulting. But excuse for all this. There is not a single video that you can understand anything from this amp. In one video the sound is ultra distorted. THe other video is only solo. the other is full of pedals.
OMG.
In order to demonstrate a sound, just play simple riffs and full chords palm muted or not, slowly or fast and let us hear the attack of the amp and its voicing . Dont add reverbs, nore any other pedals. Plain gain no more than 1-2 oclock, and in clean sound play some chords. You have to listen to many notes silmutaneously in order to understand how the amp is dealing with them. One note solo is always good even in guitar rig.
Thnx for all the help and all your answers. Please find me a descent clip pf herbieeee.....

 

[AngryGoldfish]

Whats cool about the VH4 for me?
That alot of how it sounds will be on how you play it.
Super sensitive and very dynamic. Attack it HEAVY......you will get HEAVY!
Play it lighter with some volume rolled back.....

I know I keep praising this amp......but its fucking awesome!

Exactly !!!

Whoever said the VH4 is a "cold" amp is either deaf or 13.

To everyone else who is comparing VH4 and Herbert, spare us the debate and just buy both.

I said that the VH4 felt "cold" - and I'm not deaf or 13. I used exclamation marks for a reason; so that people would understand it's a phrase, used to describe something that is, in many cases, difficult to describe unless you actually own it and know it back to front, which I don't. To me, it felt "icy" and "quick"; which is a compliment.

What's the opposite of cold? Warm? In which case you're looking at Vox or Orange, as an example, and the VH4 doesn't sound like an AC30 or a Rocker 30.

It's still not an accurate description of the VH4 overall. From the early amps to around 2003- 2004 they were actually considered dark sounding. From 2005 and 2006
they were made a bit brighter and in 2007 to current production they have been made much, much brighter. Icy would be a description of the 2007+ VH4 with the Treble at
2:00 and the presence at 2:00 on Ch. 3 which is too high. So many VH4 and Herbert clips are made too thin and buzzy. They both fatten up and get massive when you turn the treble down a bit and go easier on the presence and mid cut in the Herbert's case. You also need to step about 10-15 feet away from the cab's to hear what is really going on.

VH4 Clip- A Virtual Clinic of VH4 tone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OX8zZrN_LM

Herbert Clip: My Fave with massive chunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0imB2h4Sv-g

The word "cold" is probably not an accurate description to describe a stiff sound, but I still don't appreciate being called a deaf 13 year old, even if it was indirectly.

I read another comment of yours saying you have opinions, but you're polite about them. That felt like an insult more so than a deserved observation or opinion. But that's just the way I took it.

Playing one just once for 10 minutes is not a fair way to asses an amp, especially the VH4.

I understand what you're saying. But there will always be people out there who wish to state their opinions, even if it's only based on 10 minutes of playing, because sometimes that's all they have.

I live in the a very rural area of Ireland. There is not a single Diezel distributor for the entire 6 million people living in this country. I have to travel abroad to try these amps out (and I'm not just talking England). If I only find half an hour of time with something because I've got to catch a flight, I'm not going to bite my tongue because someone else knows more than me.

But I see what you're getting at and I totally accept that my description was unfaithful to the amp.

 

[Mailman1971]

i have to say that i am very angry and dissapointed about all the videos i have seen in youtube about herbert.
I just told to my bandmate ...: ''what an amazing amp in the hands of someone that knows what to do with it...''
I feel like the ones that are on the net, are deaf. I cant describe it better cause i will become really insulting. But excuse for all this. There is not a single video that you can understand anything from this amp. In one video the sound is ultra distorted. THe other video is only solo. the other is full of pedals.
OMG.
In order to demonstrate a sound, just play simple riffs and full chords palm muted or not, slowly or fast and let us hear the attack of the amp and its voicing . Dont add reverbs, nore any other pedals. Plain gain no more than 1-2 oclock, and in clean sound play some chords. You have to listen to many notes silmutaneously in order to understand how the amp is dealing with them. One note solo is always good even in guitar rig.
Thnx for all the help and all your answers. Please find me a descent clip pf herbieeee.....

Iwould not judge an amp until I owned it for a while. recording is SUPER HARD to capture the true sound of an amp.

Then again.......you are only hearing the setttings that are dialed in for the recording. I dial my amps in WEIRD compared to others. But it works for me.
I have been this way with amps......if you like it....interested in it....BUY IT!! that is the only way to check it out.
If you dont like it........SELL IT! The Diezel holds re-sale very good. You wont be losing out.

 

[stefvorcide]

Dude... Listen to Andy Wood solo album
https://www.myspace.com/awoodshreds

I know you'll never get the same tone.. but gives you a nice idea

BTW: From your posts you seem upset/frustrated, what is wrong? Diezel makes great amplifiers. simply put, If you want the fastest (tight) response get a vh4, if you prefer something "looser" (for heavy riffs or leads) the Herbert is perfecto. Like Mailman1971 said, they hold their value pretty well, so you don't lose everything if you don't like it.

 

[sonic]

well hell yeah to all. I mean, i am going to buy diezel there is not a single doubt in me. And all these are not to help me buy the correct one. I will buy a herbie and even if it sounds stupid, i will buy a herbie cause i like it more for no reason. I got 4 amps allreaddy and i have to say that i dont care about their resale value. IO would never sell a diezel even if i ,.... there is not if nor a but with diezel i know that alreaddy. I opened this discussion cause i want to see how others are seeing this amp.
Maybe tommorow i will go check on an einstein thought i think it will not be ''wild'' enough for me.
Keep posting here. I wanna hear it all. AND i want from someone of you a good clip. PLease giv e me herbieeeee

 

[Mailman1971]

I thought I wanted the Herbert 1st.....same boat as you.
Until I heard the VH4S!
This amp 'fits' me perfect.
Still want a herbert. but I NEED my VH4S!

 

[ttosh]

Here is a good Herbie Clip....
My Favorite part is at the 2:00 area........

This is exactly why I chose the VH4 over the Herbert. When trying them out in the store, I had the Herbert's mids cranked all the way and it still didn't have enough mid-range for my taste. The VH4, on the other hand, has tons of mids and is voiced more to my liking. It just sounds and feels more aggressive and has more balls. I don't understand why people say the VH4 can't do metal. It's a metal machine through and through. So is the Herbert, though. Both amps can do any type of music, they're just voiced differently.

That clip sounds good. But, there just isn't enough beefy mid-range for me. No matter how you slice it, even with the mids cranked the Herbert doesn't have enough for my needs.

I have not had the pleasure of hearing a VH4 I went with the Herbert based on a feeling and it has turned out to be a great sounding amp and very versatile. I love beefy mids though so I am sure I would love the VH4 as well. Could have gotten one but ended up getting a Fish and Mesa Power amp instead. Very cool you got the chance to play them side by side and make your decision. Excellent story!

 

[ttosh]

Dude... Listen to Andy Wood solo album
https://www.myspace.com/awoodshreds

I know you'll never get the same tone.. but gives you a nice idea

BTW: From your posts you seem upset/frustrated, what is wrong? Diezel makes great amplifiers. simply put, If you want the fastest (tight) response get a vh4, if you prefer something "looser" (for heavy riffs or leads) the Herbert is perfecto. Like Mailman1971 said, they hold their value pretty well, so you don't lose everything if you don't like it.

The Herbert is so tight and responsive, the most tight and responsive amp I have played next to the Wizard, except the Herbert has a smoothness the Wizard lacked which I like better in the Herbert. If the Vh4 is tighter and more responsive than the Herbert.... HOLY CRAP!!!!!