VH4 or Herbert?

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Youve seen this topic in the subject headline before BUT, i am going to include the styles im into. Ive managed to play both amps on separate occasions but the timespan wasnt enough to really compare. I LOVE both of them.
Im into guys like Vai, Pettruci, Govan and also more bluesy players like Joe Bonamassa, Robin Trower, John Mayer etc. The band i play with is kind of more modern rock sounding. I plan on running a lot of effects through it midi and really value good tone. We play several styles of music at any given time so versitility is crucial.
Your thoughts? Im ESPECIALLY interested in those that own both heads.
 
i have herbert and einstien and have played the vh 4. i think herbie and einstien is more like what your looking for judging by your influences. when i do side gigs that are just for fun we will usually cover some liquid tension songs, glasgow kiss by petrucci and wonderful slippery thing by guthrie. i can get some really good sounds for instrumental rock out of the herbie so thats my vote.i believe vh4 is gonna be a bit to tight in the low end for those types of sounds, just my 2 cents.
peace
Andy W
 
I've heard great blues/pop-rock/classic rock clips from the VH4

I have an Einstein, so I'll vote for it....GREAT amp, will do it ALL! :D
 
I'm owned both the VH4 and Herbert and both will cover that ground fine. However, I'd have to give the edge to the Herbert for the same reasons as the above poster. The Herbert has some "give" that will go awesome with that lead work.
 
Seems like I'm the guy who's leading the VH-4 crusade around here but having owned both amps I honestly think the VH4 is better for that style because the voicing is way more marshall and soldano. It is very easy to dial in tone's from a traditional standpoint because the voicing is familiar where as the Herbert has more of the lower mid recto type voicing that has become popular through nu metal styles.
I prefer the VH4 for leads personally because it has a much smoother high end and the feel is great..
 
I totally disagree...the Herberts voicing doesn't sound anything like what you described - to my ears.
 
+1, i just dont hear that in herbert. like i said earlier the herbert and eintien both have a softer feel that i think lends itself to the lead stuff. Just dont use to much midcut, try using midcut at about 8 30 or 9 oclock. remember petrucci uses boogies so if you want to use him as an influence that "feel" is definately a factor.
 
Yea, i actually got to play through both amps AND the Engl SE. I must say, best clean tone is DEFINITELY in the Engl. 2nd the Herbert, and 3rd the VH4. Now when it came down to the best high gain tones it was really hard. Of course the diezels beat out the Engl because the tone was just much smoother and less 'harsh' to the ears. (I hate harsh piercing tone!) So i knew to turn that amp off. It did however have a lot of good options for shaping the tone, so maybe i just didnt try hard enough.
The VH4 really DID have that compressed tone BUT so did the Herbert to my suprise. Everyone always complains that the VH4 is too compressed etc etc, but i found the herbert to be just the same. Dont get me wrong i love a good compressed sound:)
What i REALLY liked about the herbert is the distinct difference between channel 2 and channel 3. I just wished there was one more:/ The vh4 has the 4 that i need but i really dont see that much of a difference between channel 3 and 4. This is a tough call.
I need 1 channel for cleans, 1 for a bluesy lead, 1 for a heavy rythym, and 1 for a souring lead tone. Any ideas as to how i could pull that off you Herbert guys??
Im thinking maybe throwing a tube screamer in front of my clean channel for that blues tone. I use lots of effects like delay reverb etc etc...
 
Rob Tahan":2fkjcxy6 said:
I need 1 channel for cleans, 1 for a bluesy lead, 1 for a heavy rythym, and 1 for a souring lead tone. Any ideas as to how i could pull that off you Herbert guys??
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have you tried the "+/-" option on channel 2? ;) there is a mod-instruction here how you can make this option footswitch-able.

and@ herbis compression: try lower channel volume and higher master volume!
 
i use ch 1 for clean, ch1 + a fulltone ocd for bluesy gilmour sounds, ch2 in + mode for high gain rythm and ch 3 for leads. all controlled by g system
peace
Andy W
 
I haven't read any of the replies, but I can tell you that Ch2 - of Herbert has some killer blues tones, but you will have to spend time tweaking to get them. However it doesn't sound like American blues tone, it's different, but amazing.
 
I would be very interested in your EQ settings. Could you please share them? Thanks
 
Don't remember exactly, but something like this should come close.

Mid cut off, Mids all the way up, lows around 1, highs (I think) about 2. gain a little more than noon. I also run EQ pedal in front of it, boost some mids & highs for clarity & also add a little lows & boost the whole signal a few db. All this with neck PU that comes in Gibson custom. Presence 3, Deep about 2.
You'll need to fine tune from here :)
 
petereanima":24x52vb3 said:
have you tried the "+/-" option on channel 2? ;) there is a mod-instruction here how you can make this option footswitch-able.

and@ herbis compression: try lower channel volume and higher master volume!
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Really?! THAT is something im interested in. Where can i find that info.? I didnt think it was possible to switch the +/- via midi or footswich....
 
nbarts":1lfkluws said:
Don't remember exactly, but something like this should come close.

Mid cut off, Mids all the way up, lows around 1, highs (I think) about 2. gain a little more than noon. I also run EQ pedal in front of it, boost some mids & highs for clarity & also add a little lows & boost the whole signal a few db. All this with neck PU that comes in Gibson custom. Presence 3, Deep about 2.
You'll need to fine tune from here :)
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I just found something very ironic here. A $4000 amp and use an EQ pedal with it? Do you know that a Marshall DSL with an EQ in front will give you the same sounds as the Diezel? It won't be as beefy because of the trans but if you put a Mercury Magnetics trans in the DSL you get the same thing.

I just don't understand some people. :confused: I figured that boutique and expensive amps should be bought and enjoyed with it's true tone/sound not to be shaped or changed and if you want a certain sound..then get THAT amp/sound.

I bought the Einstein because it's one of the best amps I've ever heard and wouldn't dare change anything on it. It's good to know that it takes pedals well but I love the pure tone of it dry.
 
nbarts":1y8kkc71 said:
FriedChickenBandit,

Keep enjoying what you are enjoying.
I don't find anything catastrophic in using EQ in front of your amp, basically it's not much different than using different PUs, only you custom shape your pickup yourself. Sorry if it hurts you or too amateur for you.
I enjoy my amp with or without EQ in front of it.

You could try all day & you couldn't get Marshall DSL to sound like that, not even remotely close, sorry. I find that comment insulting for Diezel company.

I appreciate your input.
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It's cool, I just don't get it that's all. You could do what you want with your amp but I wish you could stop by so I can show you that a modded DSL and an eq will give you anything you want. Again, not as beefy but it's so close you'd be surprised. Isn't a Diezel a Modded Marshall idea to begin with?
 
scottph":1orek340 said:
I totally disagree...the Herberts voicing doesn't sound anything like what you described - to my ears.
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I totally disagree with what you disagree with :lol: :LOL:
 
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