VIK guitars drama

[C1-ocaster]

He's a complete cunt. Make no mistake. He deserves for his endorsers to not want to do business with him anymore.

What I don't 'entirely' agree with is how so many popular & influential artists & players have gone out of their way to publicly flame him. They are all from the same clique as well.
Any differences of opinion, regardless of how extreme they might be, should be settled privately in my opinion. The thousands of people who are massively influenced by these artists, who may have otherwise bought a Vik guitar on the merit of the instruments he creates (which are excellent btw), are now unlikely to buy one.
So it's easy to consider that all the likes of Bulb & Per etc etc have succeeded in doing is further destroying someone's business for their own personal cred points & popularity. It's all a bit contrived for my liking & I think those artists could've kept their opinions to themselves & let the public do the deciding.


That being said, now is probably the time to buy a Vik guitar as they'll be rare as rocking horse shit when his company dies. They could be the next Blackmachine guitar.
"Amazing, rare custom guitar built by the most prejudice, cunty luthier in human existence"

I can see where you're coming from.
Vik's beliefs really have no bearing on his ability to produce good instruments.

At the same time, why should artists who don't agree with homophobic hatred not speak out in public?
It really is true that, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

 

[C1-ocaster]

My point was specifically related to the religious institutions that make it gospel acceptable to hate another human being based on their sexuality & actually preach that hatred to millions upon millions upon millions of highly impressionable people. That might be acceptable in the worlds of catholicism, christianity & islam etc, but it doesn't make it actually, morally acceptable in the real, evolved world.

LOL! What a load of bullshit. Show me where in the teachings of christianity in context that it's "acceptable" to hate another human being for any reason. I'll be waiting.

Here's a hint.... because the bible says something is a sin and teaches to abstain from that act is not teaching people to hate others who practice that sin. That's just people using hyperbole to justify their belief that christianity teaches hate.

You should relay that information to the shitloads of religious people that haven't gotten that memo. I agree with the fact that the bible doesn't teach hate but there is a massive number of religious people around the world that certainly evolved that way.

Sure no problem but here is the the rub... selfishness is definitely not exclusive to people who follow a religion. People's tendency to only look out for themselves is a human problem not a relgion problem. I've met just as many selfish assholes who follow no religion at all as those who claim to follow a higher calling. So you tell all the anti-religious folks to stop being selfish assholes as well.

Can we just start dealing with people on a one on one basis and stop with the baseless broad assinine generalizations of large groups of people?

Yes!!! Thank you!

Yes, with Vik that is what's happening.

As for the rest of this, it's brought up because the conversation went in that direction.

 

[JimmyBlind]

To some it may seem that this ideal or ideology is something which only "liberals" believe.

Agreed. There are virtues that are considered synonymous with right & left wing politics, but they're not necessarily categorised like that by a voter. Totalitarian left & right wing politics are virtually indistinguishable. Politics has to vibrate in the middle in balance.
Take capitalism, for example.
There is enough food & resource in the world to employ, house & feed everyone as a mutually-benefitting global community. But some people have larger families & greater needs. Some have greater wants. People want to work harder and be rewarded for working harder. That's the free market in a nut shell.

I don't think the human race is actually capable of accepting true socialism, because everyone has different mental & physical abilities, work ethics, backgrounds & worth. Like it or not, that's the class divide & human beings are inherently greedy.
Conversely, it doesn't feel morally acceptable to me to exist in a world of 'survival of the fittest' either, because it invariably leads to oppression, poverty & human suffering. Getting the balance right is a continuing and never-ending struggle. One side doesn't appear to work & the other side isn't morally (albeit subjectively) acceptable in my opinion.

For me, the philosophical problem is that even at a genetic level, genes are uncompromising in the way they selfishly replicate. I almost see human society naturally mimicking that behaviour. So do we accept ourselves as a species that is intrinsically greedy & selfish & uncompromising or do we actually have the power to break that behaviour & make the world a 'better' place?

 

[crankyrayhanky]

And in the US today it is almost a crime to say you do not support gay marriage.

"Almost a crime"? That makes 2/3 of the country almost a criminal

 

[Heritage Softail]

And in the US today it is almost a crime to say you do not support gay marriage.

"Almost a crime"? That makes 2/3 of the country almost a criminal

True.

And the corrupt vindictive left will have your get a nice IRS tax audit as punishment for not following liberal left new-nazi brainwashing.

It isn't what they think so much as they do not want anyone else to have a choice to think differently. Power has corrupted the left.

It is like a bad religion.

It is funny how ne can say they do not support gay marriage and they are a phobe. They are a hater! Just they don't agree with it themselves. But the left good nazi squad is out after them.

It is the definition of intolerance and sheeplike followers.

Pathetic.

Where is the old hippies fighting the establishment instead of becoming an even worse establishment.

Sad day for the free thinkers of yesteryear. They have become what they hated.

 

[voodooradio1]

He can believe whatever bullshit he wants and we can all point out what a backward fuckhead he is. Yes, I am intolerant of his hate. LOL at that making me a liberal or part of the left or whatever.

I can't believe some of you guys can't see the forest here. Do yourselves a favor and consider being on the right side of history.

According to him he has no hate for gays, he just doesn't agree with their lifestyle. The word "Hate" was added by you. Unless he has done something to prevent any gay person from pursuing the lifestyle of their choosing, then he is being tolerant. Tolerance does not mean to support, celebrate, or endorse. It means to allow and not interfere with something you may not agree with.
None of that will matter as far as his biz goes, because in these fucked up times, not agreeing with something either means you hate it, or you have a phobia.
The biggest problem I have with all of it is that the dick puffer with the endorsement deal left the public in the dark as to the problems with his sig model and customer service, then brings it all out when the builder makes comments that have nothing at all to do with guitars. That stinks of trying to wiggle out of a contractual agreement.