Spaceboy
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All I know is that we need another Molly Hatchet.
shreder75
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danyeo":13g9tl91 said:
well at least you got Pagan's Mind right
shreder75
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Anywho..I don't think the 90s killed good music....but I think the 90s idea of what was good which inevitably became popular threw the blanket over what I considered good and dug a lot...those acts are still putting out some cool stuff and cool bands have come out over the past decade in a half....they just don't any air play..that's not really anything that new either though...
I understand that music changes, evolves, etc, etc...that doesn't mean I have to like it any more than say my mom and dad liked when the Beatles and rock n' roll came around and replaced what they liked to listen to in popular culture.. =)
I will say this though, while I don't like either of them, at least bands like Dream Theater and Nevermore ( I could name more..but I don't feel like it) are around to inspire the current generation of guitar players and show them that there's more to the guitar than shit like Hey Soul Sister or any of that bullshit...Train..what the fuck kinda band name is that anyway? But that's not important right now..
I understand that music changes, evolves, etc, etc...that doesn't mean I have to like it any more than say my mom and dad liked when the Beatles and rock n' roll came around and replaced what they liked to listen to in popular culture.. =)
I will say this though, while I don't like either of them, at least bands like Dream Theater and Nevermore ( I could name more..but I don't feel like it) are around to inspire the current generation of guitar players and show them that there's more to the guitar than shit like Hey Soul Sister or any of that bullshit...Train..what the fuck kinda band name is that anyway? But that's not important right now..
rottingcorpse
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pantera kicked ass in the 90's.
there is lots of great music out there now. get sirius radio and hear some great rock on octane, and metal on liquid metal. jose programs some great stuff. i have bought several cd's over the past few months that i love from beginning to end based on tracks i heard on sirius.
and i am an old man.
there is lots of great music out there now. get sirius radio and hear some great rock on octane, and metal on liquid metal. jose programs some great stuff. i have bought several cd's over the past few months that i love from beginning to end based on tracks i heard on sirius.
and i am an old man.
Coopster
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Here's the thing. I've always been a pretty open minded guy musically. Okay, not always, I wouldn't touch country back in the eighties. Even now, the only country I like sounds more like seventies rock. But, as a kid, I looked at the bands I liked and found out about the bands they liked and so on and so forth. I feel like I've got a pretty diverse musical background as far as what I listen to. It's not just what I grew up with.
I didn't really start listening to music until the early eighties so yeah, I'm a little partial to that period, cheese and all. Hall & Oates, Parliament, all that hair metal, Duran Duran, that's all part of me. But I also really like the music through the 60's and 70's. The Who, The Beatles, The Stones, Hendrix, Motown, The Eagles, The Mac, Kiss, Aerosmith, it goes on. I also really like improv jazz like Coltrane and Miles Davis. But somewhere in the nineties, I lost interest.
I can hear the roots of bands from my period out there, but it feels like parody over influence. Like a cover band instead of taking those influences and trying to make something new out of them. And that's a blanket statement and it shouldn't be. There are musicians out there that I like. Mastodon and The Sword, as mentioned, are awesome. Animals as Leaders intrigues me. I just think a lot of the rest of it is bland. There's no cream rising to the top of the crop.
I didn't really start listening to music until the early eighties so yeah, I'm a little partial to that period, cheese and all. Hall & Oates, Parliament, all that hair metal, Duran Duran, that's all part of me. But I also really like the music through the 60's and 70's. The Who, The Beatles, The Stones, Hendrix, Motown, The Eagles, The Mac, Kiss, Aerosmith, it goes on. I also really like improv jazz like Coltrane and Miles Davis. But somewhere in the nineties, I lost interest.
I can hear the roots of bands from my period out there, but it feels like parody over influence. Like a cover band instead of taking those influences and trying to make something new out of them. And that's a blanket statement and it shouldn't be. There are musicians out there that I like. Mastodon and The Sword, as mentioned, are awesome. Animals as Leaders intrigues me. I just think a lot of the rest of it is bland. There's no cream rising to the top of the crop.
PaulyPanacea
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i think there are plenty of great bands out there. The problem is they arent as "mainstream" as the ones listed. They got radio play, MTV, and had a captive audience. "Music fans" today have the attention span of flies. They see whats force fed to them and disregard the rest...since its not "popular". Its hard to really do it since there is no support system. everyone just looking for the quick dollar & no development going into it.
Remember, Springsteen was to be dropped before Born To Run came out...imagine that!!! Possibly one of the biggest artists of all time was almost dropped. Look at all the rejections U2 got too. Things take time & development...something labels today dont want to invest in.
sad state of the "industry". Cuz regardless of who comes out, we will still be talking about The Beatles, Hendrix, The Stones Etc for a very long time.
Remember, Springsteen was to be dropped before Born To Run came out...imagine that!!! Possibly one of the biggest artists of all time was almost dropped. Look at all the rejections U2 got too. Things take time & development...something labels today dont want to invest in.
sad state of the "industry". Cuz regardless of who comes out, we will still be talking about The Beatles, Hendrix, The Stones Etc for a very long time.
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Dr. Swamp
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Another thread full of people failing to realize that we live in the digital age of instant communication.
There is more music widely available now, then there ever has been. The age of radio is long gone. Your music won't be spoon fed to you through the radio. You get to go out and get it yourself, with a wealth of music available on a scale that blows previous times out of the water.
Like no other time before, people can be make music and have it available to the world without the corporate music monster getting in the way, and still have their music distributed. If you aren't listening to good music, it's because you aren't looking for it. Get with the times.
There is more music widely available now, then there ever has been. The age of radio is long gone. Your music won't be spoon fed to you through the radio. You get to go out and get it yourself, with a wealth of music available on a scale that blows previous times out of the water.
Like no other time before, people can be make music and have it available to the world without the corporate music monster getting in the way, and still have their music distributed. If you aren't listening to good music, it's because you aren't looking for it. Get with the times.
ejecta
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Audioholic":1jwmldf0 said:
TRUTH!
shreder75
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I for one woulda been happy if 'the Boss' got dropped permanently...heheeheh
shreder75
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rottingcorpse":179k47h6 said:
I have Sirius..and ya know what? I think the DJs suck for the most part....I primarily listen to Stern..but when he's on commercial or there's a repeat I'll kick it over to liquid metal..which is great! If you love mostly super heavy bands with cookie monster vocals...they play some cool songs once in a while....heard a lot of the new anthrax, symphony x..some scar symmetry..etc, etc...
so then I'll kick it over to hair nation....this station is fantastic! If you love to hear Mamma I'm comming home or Crazy Train or Civil War again..and again..and again..
Boneyard probably has the best variety...
I know they're commerical free..and i know they're on 24/7 just playing music..but it seems like I hear a regular rotation of the same damn songs over and over again everytime I'm in the car...For instance..Keith Roth has a boner for Jackyl..i mean, really? lol
they have access to every peice of digital music like ever...how about something obscure from some of these bands? For instance...when I hear Maiden it's usually Aces High or Die With Your Boots On..both songs I love..but how about Gangland? Sea of Madness? My point being, they seem to play as many of the hits and popular songs from ALL bands in ALL genres which isn't any better than terrestrial radio..Maybe they play these songs when I'm not listening...but all things being equal, if I tuned in those other hours I'd probably find a pattern too..
Once Stern goes, I go...i can hear the same repetition on regular radio for free...
Spaceboy
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I'm young (23), and a fan of modern music, but I don't think anybody can argue that standards in popular rock are nowhere near where they were, even into the '90s. It's not a matter of taste or music I listened to as a teenager.
Derek and the Dominoes, to Genesis, to Chili Peppers, to... Three Days Grace?
Ugh.
Derek and the Dominoes, to Genesis, to Chili Peppers, to... Three Days Grace?
Ugh.
shreder75
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Spaceboy":1vgv4549 said:
+10000
Let's see...Peter Gabriel, Robert Palmer, Elton John, Prince, Michael Jackson (yes, I said it)...to...train? Kings of Leon? Fallout Boy?
Although I will say this..Pink fucking Rocks...lol..she's like the Pat Benetar of the 21st century and her guitar player rips
ejecta
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petejt
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blackba":eg6jby35 said:
Not really. I barely listen to the music that I listened to when I was 15-20 years old. If anything the older I have become, my tastes in music from different styles and time periods has grown considerably.
I dunno, maybe that's just me. Lots of people tend to be stuck in these "generation traps". What annoys me though is when kids on YouTube brag that "I love this music from 1984 and I'm 13!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
so fucken WOT
It does not matter how old you are, and how old a particular piece of music is. If a piece of music is good, and you like it for it is, then that is all that matters.
twenty4_7spy
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All I know is: the older I get, the better I was. Same for the Band thing, I think - what you like now is a whole lot like what you liked back then, and maybe even the same thing. This goes for us "older" music junkies, and it will be the same for younger people as they grow old(er). Most music lovers establish their likes/dislikes at an early age, IMHO.
And Led Zeppelin tuned down for parts of the O2 show. Shame shame shame. Used to be, a Band would tune down (or up!) without even realizing it because everyone would tune to the lead guitarist, who often had no clue as to what A440 meant. Now that's creativity. Tuning down on purpose (Black Sabbath excepted, see how us old f**ks rationalize) is lame and enables the latent Cookie Monster in most every metal vocalist these days. I give this trend a hearty "meh!"
Matt
And Led Zeppelin tuned down for parts of the O2 show. Shame shame shame. Used to be, a Band would tune down (or up!) without even realizing it because everyone would tune to the lead guitarist, who often had no clue as to what A440 meant. Now that's creativity. Tuning down on purpose (Black Sabbath excepted, see how us old f**ks rationalize) is lame and enables the latent Cookie Monster in most every metal vocalist these days. I give this trend a hearty "meh!"
Matt
tfridgen
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ejecta":3nhvldrg said:
petejt
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leib10":3bhw366q said:
That is exactly right.
Take YouTube comments for example. Go back five years or whenever that website was in its early days, people would comment saying "I wish songs like this and other 60s hits were still around". Then a year or two later, on any video clip that got heavy rotation on mTV "70s and 80s had the best music! Take me back to the 80s!" And now those comments have expanded to the 1990s, e.g. "70s-80s-90s had the best music!"
Pretty soon the early 2000s will become 'retro' and people stuck in life will be yearning for those times. Then not long after will be those getting nostalgic for Autotune...
I feel that people revel in nostalgia because they are stuck in life. They probably had that one moment or few months or maybe a year where everything seemed right, so they want that to be their whole lives- rather than make their lives their own irrespective of the time period. For instance I know a guy that loves the band Powderfinger, because they were really big in "his year", which happened to be the year 2000. He happened to be 18 years old that year and the girls started noticing him then. I barely knew of Powderfinger around then- I probably heard one song, thought they were as dull as ditchwater, then forgot about them. When that guy told me about them earlier this year, I thought "oh ok...what are they like?"- he played some songs and I thought "they are as boring as fuck..." I did not understand what was great about them. But as I said, he really liked them because they were popular "during HIS year". He is simply stuck in the year he was 18, in 2000. And he's 29 years old now. Has not moved on, apart from getting a little higher pay and living with his girlfriend.
So you can see that a band or music style is nostalgic more for the memories it brings than the actual quality or other aspects of the musical piece or band itself.
There's nothing wrong with having fond memories of a song, like when you first heard it, or how you felt at the time you first heard it. That basic nostalgia is fine. But personally I find it silly when people are so firmly STUCK in those mindsets, and expect those things to keep existing forevermore. Things move on. Just enjoy good music for what it is! You can always keep listening to those songs, nothing is stopping you from that.
thiswaythatway
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shreder75":108dma9s said:danyeo":108dma9s said:
well at least you got Pagan's Mind right
Their guitar player played on a few of Jorn's solo albums. Pagan's last CD was good but not necessarily a deep album and after a few weeks I found myself not listening to it anymore. I still like them but it seems like they're trying to sound commercial to a certain point.
metalmaniac93
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Yeah I agree that music is in a sad state, but there is great stuff out there that is not played on the radio or anywhere else like Jeff Scott Soto, W.E.T (w/Jeff Scott Soto), Jorn/Masterplan (Jorn Lande is the vocal god), Richie Kotzen to name a few 80's related rock/metal as well as great stuff like Opeth, Karnivool, Black Country Communion, Machine Head, Redemption, Pagan's Mind, Alter Bridge (Myles Kennedy is awesome), Gov't Mule (been around a while though), Lamb Of God, Nevermore (too bad they are disbanded), Dream Theater (not as good as the older stuff), Symphony X to name a few bands that I like.
shreder75
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danyeo":2qcer75j said:shreder75":2qcer75j said:danyeo":2qcer75j said:
well at least you got Pagan's Mind right
Their guitar player played on a few of Jorn's solo albums. Pagan's last CD was good but not necessarily a deep album and after a few weeks I found myself not listening to it anymore. I still like them but it seems like they're trying to sound commercial to a certain point.
the second and third albums were easily their best