psychodave
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This video popped up in my YT feed, so I gave it a listen. I’m hearing some modulation going on. Maybe some faint chorus or flanging? There is definitely a shimmer to the sound.
glpg80
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Eddie was a huge fan of the eventide H949. That’s what you’re hearing.
SQUAREHEAD
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I was just typing that, I believe this is the first album he used the Evantide on…
SpiderWars
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For sure. I never really noticed it on the full mix but it's very apparent in the iso track. Really evident on 'the greatest G chord ever recorded' in the main riff at the beginning.
SQUAREHEAD
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I know, that G is an all-time great!
Sick Michael
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Good Thread subject there...best chord every recorded...lol
crwnedblasphemy
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Yup...this was introduced in 1977, and if the studio had it by 1980 he might have used it: I can see why Ed and Ted started to disagree on the recording process.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/van-halen-fair-warning-album/
NorCal_Val
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Yeah.
REALLY obvious in isolation.
What a fucking ripping guitar tone.
REALLY obvious in isolation.
What a fucking ripping guitar tone.
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njshred
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Roth liked women? I know he sang about them and had them in his videos, but I cannot recall him having a relationship with one. I always thought it was a cover.
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harddriver
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From what I have gathered the Eventide H910 is used on VHII Fair Warning and then the H949 for Diver Down, 1984, 5150 and OU812. The H3000 Micropitch W/D/W setup was then used for FUCK and Balance.
It's wild how that detune blends in so good in the overall mix thickening up his tone.
I think it a .99 cents detune roughly, but you will never get that tone Dave since Jose modded his Eventides.........
For a FW tone I use my Eventide Pitchfactor with basically a .996 cent for Pitch A and 1.004 cent for Pitch B detune but with a drier Wet/Dry 40-60% mix setting on the Pitchfactor however dry or wet you want it and it's a pretty killer tone. Some people set their delays on the pitchfactor to 3ms for Pitch A and 6ms on Pitch B. I tend to leave the delays off on the pitchfactor but everyone is different.
It's wild how that detune blends in so good in the overall mix thickening up his tone.
I think it a .99 cents detune roughly, but you will never get that tone Dave since Jose modded his Eventides.........
For a FW tone I use my Eventide Pitchfactor with basically a .996 cent for Pitch A and 1.004 cent for Pitch B detune but with a drier Wet/Dry 40-60% mix setting on the Pitchfactor however dry or wet you want it and it's a pretty killer tone. Some people set their delays on the pitchfactor to 3ms for Pitch A and 6ms on Pitch B. I tend to leave the delays off on the pitchfactor but everyone is different.
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thegame
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I think the modulation effect is just from people’s heads spinning around and going in circles for 45 years now, chasing his tones. An audio vertigo if you will.
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smanning73
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Eventide 949. I've always loved that first G chord that he hits. Just killer!
alund
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Fuck. I’ve been looking for something to add to my recent setup lexicon plate reverb and the micro pitch on the H90 is it. “Balance” preset. Dammit it’s what I’ve been looking for. Glad this thread started
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paulyc
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I’m not so sure this is the Eventide. EVH used chorus going back to VHII, and it’s possible it’s a Roland rack mount analog delay set to a chorus sound, like the tones on Diver Down (Pretty Woman in particular). I forget the model, I think it’s a DC30 ?
shar-vell Dan
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I just got this vintage MXR SC lastnite. First time with it but its got the Reticon chip and thats something special.
Vintage chorus & flanger ^^^
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Racerxrated
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I always thought it was a slight Detune on Fair Warning. Just enough to 'beef it up'.
67mike
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Well....fat boy Vince Neil has a security detail keeping chicks away...still to this day.
Dave has had more poontang thrown at him then probably anyone else walking the earth. Now does he play fir both teams? Would not surprise me.
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harddriver
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I found my old notes that I got off of VHlinks.com a few years ago and these are a good starting point and you can tweak from there. I hooked up my slave setup today with my Jose Marshall into a loadbox>Suhr isoline out>Eventide pitchfactor>boss DD500 into a peavey classic 50/50 stereo driving 2 4x12 cabinets and tried all the VHlinks.com settings and then tweaked until I got something I liked that will get a great FW tone and it gave me an excuse to play today.
So first here's the VHlinks.com Eventide Pitchfactor settings:
Everything from VHII to 1984: H949-1 Pitch A .996 Pitch B 1.004 Mix 60%
Exception: VHII Women in Love preset: H910 Pitch A 1.010 Pitch B 1.000 Mix 50%
5150 and OU812: H949-2 Pitch A .994 Pitch B 1.006 Mix 50%
FUCK and Balance: H3000 Micropitch Pitch A +9 Pitch B -9 Mix 70-75%
NOTE: Delays for all of them are set to 3ms Delay A and 6ms Delay B. Pitch mix for all are A10/B10
Now: my conclusions from today's jam and re-trying the VH links.com setting for Fair Warning tone.
( I personally think it was the H910 but they are very similar, use what you like best)
I used the above settings Pitch A .996 Pitch B 1.004 Mix 60% with both the H910 and H949 for FW tone
I tried the H910 with the above settings but with 0ms/no delays for Pitch A and Pitch B and this sounded best to my ears.
Then I tried the suggested delays of 3ms for Pitch A and 6ms for Pitch B, this sounded a bit too wet and modulated for FW but it's cool...
I then tried an in between delay setting of 1ms for Pitch A and 2ms for Pitch B and this sounded almost as good a 0ms NO delays for Pitch A/Pitch B but it gave it just enough modulation without being too much but I still seem to prefer 0ms/No delays for Pitch A/B.
I also tried the exact same above settings with the H949 model and it was super close to the H910 but there seemed to be more modulation with the H949 so I still prefer the H910 for Fair Warning because it tended to sound just a bit drier overall letting the dry guitar tone come through more IMHO compared to the H949 but you might dig the H949 better....it all sounds good. Also you can run the Mix set to 50-60 depending on how dry or wet you want the detune. I liked the mix 50% but 60% isn't much different... this parameter was harder to choose I went back and forth and kind of settled on 50%.
I still felt there was too much spread between .996 cents and 1.004 and it just was missing the mark so I did some more digging and .998 cents with no delay(modulation) kept coming up so I tried it and I think it sounds closer than the VHlinks.com settings.
Fair Warning settings as follows:
H910 Pitch A .998 cents Pitch B .999 cents Mix 50% Pitch mix is A10/B10 Delay A 0ms Delay B 0ms
So hopefully these settings will give you guys a starting point for some cool FW Detune tones, I know I had fun playing and trying all these settings out.
So first here's the VHlinks.com Eventide Pitchfactor settings:
Everything from VHII to 1984: H949-1 Pitch A .996 Pitch B 1.004 Mix 60%
Exception: VHII Women in Love preset: H910 Pitch A 1.010 Pitch B 1.000 Mix 50%
5150 and OU812: H949-2 Pitch A .994 Pitch B 1.006 Mix 50%
FUCK and Balance: H3000 Micropitch Pitch A +9 Pitch B -9 Mix 70-75%
NOTE: Delays for all of them are set to 3ms Delay A and 6ms Delay B. Pitch mix for all are A10/B10
Now: my conclusions from today's jam and re-trying the VH links.com setting for Fair Warning tone.
( I personally think it was the H910 but they are very similar, use what you like best)
I used the above settings Pitch A .996 Pitch B 1.004 Mix 60% with both the H910 and H949 for FW tone
I tried the H910 with the above settings but with 0ms/no delays for Pitch A and Pitch B and this sounded best to my ears.
Then I tried the suggested delays of 3ms for Pitch A and 6ms for Pitch B, this sounded a bit too wet and modulated for FW but it's cool...
I then tried an in between delay setting of 1ms for Pitch A and 2ms for Pitch B and this sounded almost as good a 0ms NO delays for Pitch A/Pitch B but it gave it just enough modulation without being too much but I still seem to prefer 0ms/No delays for Pitch A/B.
I also tried the exact same above settings with the H949 model and it was super close to the H910 but there seemed to be more modulation with the H949 so I still prefer the H910 for Fair Warning because it tended to sound just a bit drier overall letting the dry guitar tone come through more IMHO compared to the H949 but you might dig the H949 better....it all sounds good. Also you can run the Mix set to 50-60 depending on how dry or wet you want the detune. I liked the mix 50% but 60% isn't much different... this parameter was harder to choose I went back and forth and kind of settled on 50%.
I still felt there was too much spread between .996 cents and 1.004 and it just was missing the mark so I did some more digging and .998 cents with no delay(modulation) kept coming up so I tried it and I think it sounds closer than the VHlinks.com settings.
Fair Warning settings as follows:
H910 Pitch A .998 cents Pitch B .999 cents Mix 50% Pitch mix is A10/B10 Delay A 0ms Delay B 0ms
So hopefully these settings will give you guys a starting point for some cool FW Detune tones, I know I had fun playing and trying all these settings out.
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harddriver
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Do you think the Eventide was added in the mastering process or do you think Ed was somehow running these Eventide H910 and H949's after his Marshall and then slaved into a power amp to 4x12 cabinets in the studio?
Here's a guy running an actual Eventide H910 in a stereo re-amp rig. The actual H910 sounds so much better than my Pitchfactor....WOW!
The actual H910 doesn't overwhelm the original guitar tone, it just enhances it.......
Here's a guy running an actual Eventide H910 in a stereo re-amp rig. The actual H910 sounds so much better than my Pitchfactor....WOW!
The actual H910 doesn't overwhelm the original guitar tone, it just enhances it.......
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harddriver
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After listening to Jayyy's clips maybe even .998 is too much. I'm going to have to try .999 and 1.000 and see if that works better for FW tone!
Well I just got done test driving .999 and 1.000 and these definitely are the FW specs....The guitar tone immediately came more forward pushing the detune behind it perfectly. I A/B'd it with the Jayy's and the FW album clip and it is the detune settings IMHO. P.S. With the guitar tone much more forward I am quite happy with the Pitchfactor now as it sound much more in line with what I hear in the Jayyy H910 video. I don't know why going from .998 to .999 and 1.000 would make such a difference but it does appear to be the case.
So I revise my previous statement.
Fair Warning settings as follows:
H910 Pitch A .999 cents Pitch B 1.000 cents Mix 50% Pitch mix is A10/B10 Delay A 0ms Delay B 0ms
Well I just got done test driving .999 and 1.000 and these definitely are the FW specs....The guitar tone immediately came more forward pushing the detune behind it perfectly. I A/B'd it with the Jayy's and the FW album clip and it is the detune settings IMHO. P.S. With the guitar tone much more forward I am quite happy with the Pitchfactor now as it sound much more in line with what I hear in the Jayyy H910 video. I don't know why going from .998 to .999 and 1.000 would make such a difference but it does appear to be the case.
So I revise my previous statement.
Fair Warning settings as follows:
H910 Pitch A .999 cents Pitch B 1.000 cents Mix 50% Pitch mix is A10/B10 Delay A 0ms Delay B 0ms
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