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Mats
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Yes as stated from what i´ve read Randy used an MXR Distortion+ and boosted mids with an MXR 10 band graphic.
Chubtone
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'63-Strat":29g0dasf said:
I believe Blizzard and Diary were Max Norman's first ever real producing jobs. He got better after that. One thing that is being overlooked is that at that time, none of us thought Randy had crap tone. If everyone thought the production on those albums was so poor, again, AT THAT TIME, Max Norman wouldn't have become one of the most in demand producers in the business.
'63-Strat
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Chubtone":o3yrqm1i said:
Agreed. FWIW, I'm not saying I think those randy rhoads albums are pure crap, either. It's not my favorite tone, but since the playing speaks for itself, really not a huge deal IMO. Worrying about tone beyond actual songwriting/performance etc. is completely silly internet stuff IMO.
thiswaythatway
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rlord1974":1ac1dt92 said:danyeo":1ac1dt92 said:
I agree Dan, but a lot of those tones you reference were "boosted" tones (i.e., a clean boost or a little dirt in front of an amp already dialed in dirty). Blizzard sounds like the majority of the grind is coming from a pedal.
For example:
1) Dial in a Marshall to sound pretty good without the pedal, add a TS with the OD on 2 and the Level on 8 = The majority of the tones you reference above.
2) Dial in a Marshall to sound pretty good without the pedal, add a TS with the OD on 10 and the Level on 3 = Blizzard.
I hear what you're saying. It's like Randy had his Marshall's set on clean then used a pedal to get all his tone.
Kapo_Polenton
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+ 1 on bad studio sound and AMAZING live tone but I thought I'd mention that Blizzard is not my fave tone but Diary sort of worked for me! S.A.T.O sounds raw and in your face. Love it.
Motorpud
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I think I'm the only one who never realized how bad it sucked, thanks for telling me though. The Internet has a strange way of making a mountain out of a molehill.....
Digital Jams
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First thing I thought about when I first heard Blizzard was the amount of gain, I do not recall thinking the tone was bad.
Badronald
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This is a rabbit hole, but there are some SICK guitar tones on Ozzy records. Demon Alcohol, Miracle Man, Rock N Roll Rebel, Now You See It, etc..........from ALL the players. I love the Speak of the Devil Stuff.
The 1st time I heard Flying High Again it BLEW me away. Tell the truth, when most of you heard it it did the same to you.
Would you go after many of these tones in 2011? No. Who cares what we'd do. No one. Those albums had an unmeasureable magic to them. They WAY surpassed the guitar tone. Sure, that was part of it, but not all of it.
Actually my biggest gripe with Ozzy albums are the crappy drum tones. Most of them are terrible and put a big burden on the sonic quality.
The 1st time I heard Flying High Again it BLEW me away. Tell the truth, when most of you heard it it did the same to you.
Would you go after many of these tones in 2011? No. Who cares what we'd do. No one. Those albums had an unmeasureable magic to them. They WAY surpassed the guitar tone. Sure, that was part of it, but not all of it.
Actually my biggest gripe with Ozzy albums are the crappy drum tones. Most of them are terrible and put a big burden on the sonic quality.
rlord1974
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Badronald":3q42w2ro said:
So true, that is.
rupe
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That's exactly right...most players I know from those days loved his tone at the time. It was meaner and more aggressive sounding than almost anything we had heard to up to til that point, especially at that level of popularity.Chubtone":1f5acg79 said:
Ventura
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And this is why I said "1980, EXACTLY". Shit cats, this guy just DESTROYED what was happening back then... I mean, first time I heard the semi-squeeling feedback laden thud of Crazy Train I got tingles down my back. Goosebumps. Then Suicide Solution after Dee...?? Holy shit guys. This was unreal!!rupe":ogoh1kry said:
Whatever, Randy ALSO made me pick up guitar or at least attempt to be a lot more serious about it at the ripe old age of 9 or 10. I didn't have any JOLT of cosmic inspiration like I did when RR first entered my ears...
Chubtone
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rupe":2pr8nqdx said:
It's kind of funny, I have a guitar playing friend that I grew up with and played in bands with. He's a rippin' player and always was a tone freak. He doesn't go on guitar forums at all. Recently I was talking to him about Rhoads and was saying how all that younger guys and guys that weren't guitar players in the early 80's talk about is how crappy Rhoads tone was. He was just stunned and said, "Rhoads had the best live tone I ever heard and I have seen 5,000 bands". He seriously started getting angry.
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dstroud
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Maybe we should get some ozzy backing tracks and lay down how we think it should've sounded. I dont think I've ever heard any of randys stuff done with any sort of different tone. Would be interesting for sure.
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Gitfiddler
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He should have used Vox amps like VH
Chubtone
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Gitfiddler":o7nv8y6u said:
I really he wished he would have been able to use Ted Templeman. I think we would be having a totally different conversation if he had.
IndyWS6
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It would be interesting to hear what others think his tone should sound like. I wouldn't mind hearing Mark Day's take on a few (gain crankagedstroud":3kbid2ff said:
). Sadly, I don't have the skill to pull it off - that's why he was Randy and, well, I'm not 
thiswaythatway
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dstroud":1n59q0k8 said:
Badronald
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dstroud":qkb432j2 said:
It'd be a big waste of time. But I'm sure someone's got it.
No really. The magic and vibe wouldn't be there no matter how good the tone.
Badronald
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danyeo":1o9z8ma4 said:
I've got a recording somewhere of Yngwie actually playing this live with Ozzy. Great stuff. I always hoped Yngwie could minimize his ego for an album or two and play with Dio or Ozzy. Dio for sure. Too bad.
snowdog
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Well, that YJM track certainly isn't a good example of anything "better" tone wise, as I recall that album had someone stuck in 'average at best' mode doing all the backing tracks and the guests just playing solos/fills.
I dunno if any of you guys read Guitar World, but there have been a lot of interviews over the years with Ozzy/Daisley/Sarzo/Norman etc... and it seems to me a lot of the problem with the sound was RR's insistence on using that noisy tonesucking POS pedalboard...That coupled with the low budget I doubt anyone could have recorded it any better.
It is what it is though, and although I usually don't agree with messing with classics, I would love to hear Blizzard/Diary reamped or something through a Marsha, CCV or something badass.
I didn't play guitar back in those days so I liked it for it was, just like most of the metal population that doesn't play or care anyways.
I dunno if any of you guys read Guitar World, but there have been a lot of interviews over the years with Ozzy/Daisley/Sarzo/Norman etc... and it seems to me a lot of the problem with the sound was RR's insistence on using that noisy tonesucking POS pedalboard...That coupled with the low budget I doubt anyone could have recorded it any better.
It is what it is though, and although I usually don't agree with messing with classics, I would love to hear Blizzard/Diary reamped or something through a Marsha, CCV or something badass.
I didn't play guitar back in those days so I liked it for it was, just like most of the metal population that doesn't play or care anyways.