Why was Randy Rhoads' tone so crap?

[crankyrayhanky]

We all know tone is in the fingers, thus, Randy sucked. Good note choices though.

What? Are you saying Randy did NOT have good tone in his hands?

Yes, this must be a fleshy appendage issue. Or he just lacked that tonal je ne sais quoi.... but then Sharon hypnotized/scammed us all into thinking it was good back in the day. Tone Truthers have this exposed!

 

[Beyond Black]

We all know tone is in the fingers, thus, Randy sucked. Good note choices though.

What? Are you saying Randy did NOT have good tone in his hands?

Yes, this must be a fleshy appendage issue. Or he just lacked that tonal je ne sais quoi.... but then Sharon hypnotized/scammed us all into thinking it was good back in the day. Tone Truthers have this exposed!

Wow. Too ridiculous to even respond to with a counter argument....

 

[zuel69]

We all know tone is in the fingers, thus, Randy sucked. Good note choices though.

What? Are you saying Randy did NOT have good tone in his hands?

Yes, this must be a fleshy appendage issue. Or he just lacked that tonal je ne sais quoi.... but then Sharon hypnotized/scammed us all into thinking it was good back in the day. Tone Truthers have this exposed!

Wow. Too ridiculous to even respond to with a counter argument....

I'm with you, the Tribute albums tone is simply amazing. Randy was an incredible musician, guitar player and tone seeker.

 

[nightflameauto]

Randy played so loud he probably didn't even know what he sounded like. Having spent a number of years standing directly in front of a wound up 100 watt tube amp stack, I can tell you there's a point where the tone ceases to be something tangible. It might be thin, it might be muddy, but all you know is every palm-muted power chord is slamming into you like the fist of god and that feels GREAT. Open chords make your clothes and hair blow back. It's a damn powerful feeling.

A feeling I miss now that I'm all domesticated and relegating myself to small watt tube amps. It is nice to actually know what I actually sound like though. It's a trade-off. A trade-off that sucks when your a hard rock/metal dude. But life moves on, and the neighbors ain't fans of trem picked and slam-chord brutality at 3 in the morning when I actually have time to play.

I do think Randy's recorded tone suffered a bit from production. A Marshall cranked that loud never sounds that thin on its own. Piercing, sure, but not so hollow and empty. Something hinky was going down there.

 

[phil b]

Altec frequency response is 60hz to 8000hz. Soundwise there is no difference between the different models other than the basket change and the H could handle more wattage. These and the MXR Distortion + is the KEY to his tone.

 

[JerEvil]

Randy played so loud he probably didn't even know what he sounded like. Having spent a number of years standing directly in front of a wound up 100 watt tube amp stack, I can tell you there's a point where the tone ceases to be something tangible. It might be thin, it might be muddy, but all you know is every palm-muted power chord is slamming into you like the fist of god and that feels GREAT. Open chords make your clothes and hair blow back. It's a damn powerful feeling.

A feeling I miss now that I'm all domesticated and relegating myself to small watt tube amps. It is nice to actually know what I actually sound like though. It's a trade-off. A trade-off that sucks when your a hard rock/metal dude. But life moves on, and the neighbors ain't fans of trem picked and slam-chord brutality at 3 in the morning when I actually have time to play.

I do think Randy's recorded tone suffered a bit from production. A Marshall cranked that loud never sounds that thin on its own. Piercing, sure, but not so hollow and empty. Something hinky was going down there.

That's what she said.... heyooooo!!!

I'm out!

 

[panhead]

Nobody questioned it when it came out it was awesome. If you got to see him live it was fucking ridiculous.

 

[Thunkful]

His tone on Diary Of a Madman was pretty good imo.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

This thread just doesn't seem to die! The blizzard tone is pretty shit. Sounds like heavy chorus and phaser and then trippling guitars. LIVE however... that's a diff story. Listen to any of the bootlegs and Tribute. His tone is monstrous. It has cut, grind, but also fullness. What an absolute beast of a live player. Some guys can't bring it on stage but listen to any of the bootlegs and you will see that Randy was not one of those guys.., he brought it in spades.

Nothing wrong with his tone or playing here that's for sure..

or here..case closed;

 

[SpiderWars]

It wasn't shit...but we had been very recently spoiled by VH tone. And it just wasn't as good imo. And that's coming from a 'Randy was my guy' player.

 

[ClintN667]

Randy was the guy who turned me from a kid whose parents got him a guitar to use as a toy to actually becoming a guitarist. I think I was 12 when I got the Tribute tab book and I hammered away on it every day after school. I loved the tone on Crazy train cause it to me sounded appropriate. I didnt think the other stuff sounded bad just not great.

Oddly enough I took a break from playing doom, death, speed metal to work on Over The Mountain. As a kid I was always wowed by that solo and never learned it. I revisted it the past few days and got it under my fingers. It was such a fun solo. I really wish I would have been able to see him live.

 

[Goat]

This thread just doesn't seem to die! The blizzard tone is pretty shit. Sounds like heavy chorus and phaser and then trippling guitars. LIVE however... that's a diff story. Listen to any of the bootlegs and Tribute. His tone is monstrous. It has cut, grind, but also fullness. What an absolute beast of a live player. Some guys can't bring it on stage but listen to any of the bootlegs and you will see that Randy was not one of those guys.., he brought it in spades.

Nothing wrong with his tone or playing here that's for sure..

or here..case closed;

Fuckin' A!

 

[Goat]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

 

[phil b]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

Rudy Sarzo wrote a book called "Off the Rails: Aboard the Crazy Train in the Blizzard of Ozz".. Was a really good read and is mostly about Randy. Randy was done with Ozzy and was supposed to record Speak of the Devil as his last album.

 

[Goat]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

Rudy Sarzo wrote a book called "Off the Rails: Aboard the Crazy Train in the Blizzard of Ozz".. Was a really good read and is mostly about Randy. Randy was done with Ozzy and was supposed to record Speak of the Devil as his last album.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

In regards to the accident... I've seen detailed photos (through a 1st responder) of the aftermath of the plane crash. Chilling! Why did Randy get on that damned plane? From what I've read, he feared flying.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

Rudy Sarzo wrote a book called "Off the Rails: Aboard the Crazy Train in the Blizzard of Ozz".. Was a really good read and is mostly about Randy. Randy was done with Ozzy and was supposed to record Speak of the Devil as his last album.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

In regards to the accident... I've seen detailed photos (through a 1st responder) of the aftermath of the plane crash. Chilling! Why did Randy get on that damned plane? From what I've read, he feared flying.

Wait, you've seen THE photos of the plane crash that took Randy's life?? I know curiosity would get the better of me but that can't have been anything other than horrifying. What a car crash looks like let alone a plane crash..yikes. As for Ozzy's stage antics, you can find some bootlegs on YouTube where you see Randy turning away or moving so he doesn't get picked up by Ozzy during his leads. I think he got into the zone for the music but could do without the rest. Imagine dealing with Ozzy out of his mind all day and night on tour.

 

[Goat]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

Rudy Sarzo wrote a book called "Off the Rails: Aboard the Crazy Train in the Blizzard of Ozz".. Was a really good read and is mostly about Randy. Randy was done with Ozzy and was supposed to record Speak of the Devil as his last album.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

In regards to the accident... I've seen detailed photos (through a 1st responder) of the aftermath of the plane crash. Chilling! Why did Randy get on that damned plane? From what I've read, he feared flying.

Wait, you've seen THE photos of the plane crash that took Randy's life?? I know curiosity would get the better of me but that can't have been anything other than horrifying. What a car crash looks like let alone a plane crash..yikes. As for Ozzy's stage antics, you can find some bootlegs on YouTube where you see Randy turning away or moving so he doesn't get picked up by Ozzy during his leads. I think he got into the zone for the music but could do without the rest. Imagine dealing with Ozzy out of his mind all day and night on tour.

Yes. It was as bad you can imagine. Really bad. Randy and the pilot were ejected from the plane on impact. I don't recall seeing the remains of the makeup artist. The pilot appeared to have rolled forward through the windshield, as his body was in a crouched/sitting position against the garage wall. Out of respect for family and friends of Randy, I will keep the rest to myself.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

I'm assuming Randy was thrown in a similar fashion then. I had always thought both would have been burned severely too but I guess in this case it was impact and speed. Oddly enough, I bet his fear of flying is what made the pilot try and spook him by trying to fly low near the your bus. Promise him a nice easy flight and then do some hot dog shit for fun while up there. The rest is history.

 

[Goat]

I'm assuming Randy was thrown in a similar fashion then. I had always thought both would have been burned severely too but I guess in this case it was impact and speed. Oddly enough, I bet his fear of flying is what made the pilot try and spook him by trying to fly low near the your bus. Promise him a nice easy flight and then do some hot dog shit for fun while up there. The rest is history.

Yes, he was. Other than physical size, they were injured beyond recognition.

 

[phil b]

Accordng to several friends, Randy's live tone was incredible. Though unrelated, they said that Randy wasn't into Ozzy's stage antics, at all. They say that Randy looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on-stage with Ozzy. Between songs, Randy would roll his eyes, shake his head, look at his finger nails, yawn... They said he appeared especially irritated when Ozzy lifted him up. I suppose doing the same show over and over would be irritating to some.

Rudy Sarzo wrote a book called "Off the Rails: Aboard the Crazy Train in the Blizzard of Ozz".. Was a really good read and is mostly about Randy. Randy was done with Ozzy and was supposed to record Speak of the Devil as his last album.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

In regards to the accident... I've seen detailed photos (through a 1st responder) of the aftermath of the plane crash. Chilling! Why did Randy get on that damned plane? From what I've read, he feared flying.

Wait, you've seen THE photos of the plane crash that took Randy's life?? I know curiosity would get the better of me but that can't have been anything other than horrifying. What a car crash looks like let alone a plane crash..yikes. As for Ozzy's stage antics, you can find some bootlegs on YouTube where you see Randy turning away or moving so he doesn't get picked up by Ozzy during his leads. I think he got into the zone for the music but could do without the rest. Imagine dealing with Ozzy out of his mind all day and night on tour.

Yes. It was as bad you can imagine. Really bad. Randy and the pilot were ejected from the plane on impact. The pilot appeared to have rolled forward through the windshield; as his body was in a crouched/sitting position against the garage wall.

I remember reading the autopsy report. The one thing that just sucked beyond suck was that his right hand(?) was completely severed. Was either right or left, I cant quite remember it was so long ago. That hit me hard cause its like man, he was killed, this great musician and didnt even die with both hands intact. His hands were his world.. and..I dunno..just seems to make it worse for me I guess. Turns out the pilot had been doing blow and was going thru a really bad breakup with his wife at the time. Dunno if it matters but they said he was a little unstable.