Will Herbert cut better with 6l6's? Cant get it to cut

[crabby]

I have been messing with the herbert at practice , we are ready to go out, I just cant seam to get it to cut , like my 6505+, I hear that so clear every note, but I am struggling to get herb to get there, right now its got el34s, Yes ive tried the mid cut off,on, pres up, mids up to 3 oclock, 2nd ch 3rd chan, dropped bass back,dropped deep back, what next?

 

[eh-D]

What cab are you using?

 

[crabby]

basson 4x12's eminence legends

 

[van hellion]

basson 4x12's eminence legends

i think eventually a cab more suited might be the exact solution. as far as original question, im just not into 6l6 with diezel amps.

A Wood

 

[crabby]

one gtr no problem, alone killer, two gtrs...lost? peavey 6505+ cuts awesome,diamond phantom no problem, splawn quickrod no problem,...???

 

[steve_k]

basson 4x12's eminence legends

i think eventually a cab more suited might be the exact solution. as far as original question, im just not into 6l6 with diezel amps.

A Wood

Excellent advice and my thoughts exactly. My Diezel will spit nails through a front loaded Diezel cab.

Steve

 

[crabby]

You own an elmwood m90? i was just listening to some clips on this, WOW! what is it like in person? kinda reminds me of a quickrod with more saturation....

 

[van hellion]

You own an elmwood m90? i was just listening to some clips on this, WOW! what is it like in person? kinda reminds me of a quickrod with more saturation....

i know steve could chime in but my humble opinion was that i preferred the 60 over the 90

A Wood

 

[crabby]

wow messed up, how we roll off a topic on another but on the elmwood site listen to the new m60 clip martial allart, its some tribal stuff, dude I dont think ive ever heard an amp like that before, ive played a lot and owned a lot, esp boutique amps.Those elmwoods are wicked, so does the 90 sound like the 60 or two diff animals?

 

[The Axe Palace]

I have been messing with the herbert at practice , we are ready to go out, I just cant seam to get it to cut , like my 6505+, I hear that so clear every note, but I am struggling to get herb to get there, right now its got el34s, Yes ive tried the mid cut off,on, pres up, mids up to 3 oclock, 2nd ch 3rd chan, dropped bass back,dropped deep back, what next?

As a Herbert owner and Diezel dealer I can definitely say cutting through should never been an issue. Just as long as you crank the mids and use great pickups/speakers, you'll be fine. What pickups do you use? Have you tried the Herbert through any other cabs? How do you usually set the mids? Have you considered using a boost in front of the amp such as Tube Screamer?

I don't think merely swithcing the power tubes is going to produce the desired affect. While I do prefer the 6550s to EL34s, EL34s still have never have a problem slicing through the mix. This tells me its likely either the pickups and/or speakers.

 

[nbarts]

What's really interesting to me is that how I'm able to cut trough with my Herbert, running it through a 1x12 cabinet next to a dual rectifier with a 4x12 or fender twin 2x12 with presence set to a tad over 12:00 & some people can't cut through with it. I say raise your master. If that doesn't work than probably there is something wrong with your amp. With Herbert master & volume at 11:00 with a 4x12 the drummer is banging pretty hard to keep up. How can it not cut through?

 

[crabby]

I really dont know what the problem is, I have no problems with my other amps, we play loud as a rock/metal band, I use excellent cabs , that work with every other head, so no i am not going to buy a diezel v30 cab, its there in the mix, its just not defined like my peavey 6505+, i dont need to switch ch for boost or nothing ,and i hear every note on it, Does anyone play the herb with the ch2 in minus position? that has a dramatic affect on the amp, i havent tried that a practice, also maybe i have to have the ch vol up more and use master for control????

 

[Joeytpg]

post your settings please

 

[crabby]

ch2 +
g v t m b
1 1 1 12 2

ch3
g v t m b
2 11 3 1 1

mid cut
int lev
12 3

pres deep volume as needed
2 12



i have had mid cut up down all around and off, these are where i left offf last night
all numbers are like o'clock( 1 oclock)

 

[steve_k]

You own an elmwood m90? i was just listening to some clips on this, WOW! what is it like in person? kinda reminds me of a quickrod with more saturation....

Replied on Rig Talk....

Hell yeah, go Elmo 90 man and don't look back. They aren't easy to find just yet. Tone Merchants may have another 90 left. Or, check with Josh at Rebel Amps. They experimented with the M90 when George was there testing it out and put 34's in it. How that high output transformer didn't blow the tops off those 34 tubes, I don't know. Two KT88's churning out 90 watts, this thing can be driven. The gain stays tight and articulate though, not all sizzle like a Recto. Match it with a good cab and the right speakers. You were talking about cut, it has a high cut and low/mid control on back as a master EQ. Between that an the extra gain stack and the second master, you can go from "holy shit" to "feck me" in an instant.

Oh crap, this is the Diezel board. Peter rocks too. VH4's rule....

Steve

 

[steve_k]

I have been messing with the herbert at practice , we are ready to go out, I just cant seam to get it to cut , like my 6505+, I hear that so clear every note, but I am struggling to get herb to get there, right now its got el34s, Yes ive tried the mid cut off,on, pres up, mids up to 3 oclock, 2nd ch 3rd chan, dropped bass back,dropped deep back, what next?

You need to PM one of the Herbert guys here and check their set-ups. The Herbi should cut like a knife dude, especially compared to your 6505. Wonder if you got a preamp tube on the blink? To answer your original question though - if it ain't cutting with 34's, it won't cut with 6L6's. May be best for you to try some 6105's or KT88's before going for another amp too, unless you are an amp whore too, like me. Then in that case - go shopping! I don't know anything about the speakers you are using either. Maybe they aren't ready for the onslaught of the Herbi.

Steve

 

[putnut77]

My Herbert cuts through like nobodys business, I use the Herbert through a Bogner Ecstasy 4x12, its at my practice space....so I cant get you the settings at the moment but Ill try to remember next time im there. Just guessing normally.

Bass...1
Middle 12
Treble 2

Mid cut on
level 12, intensity 1..2

Channel 3

Gain around 3-4

My other guitarist uses a fireball through an emperor 4x12 and marshall 4x12 and im heard much better than him.

 

[scoeb city]

i would turn down the intensity on your mid cut....but i have 6l6's in my herbert and it cuts very well. if you want it to REALLY cut, get 6550 tubes, then it becomes the most present and cutting amp in the entire world, no joke.

 

[Jaymz82]

basson 4x12's eminence legends

That imo is a big issue. I used to have two 2x12 cabs loaded with eminence legends and while they worked very good with the Engl setup I had they didn't work at all with the Einstein I had before I got the VH4. The speakers are great but way to dark and muffled for Diezel amps. Diezel amp already have a rather dark character compared to other amps and combined with an Eminance Legend, they just to cut through the mix anymore. You need speakers that have more presence and cut better. I then tried an Eminence Govnenour and those worked way better.
Still the new Diezel Cabs blow every other cab away in combination with a Diezel Amp.

 

[crabby]

maybe your right , diff cab, maybe ill just load one of my bassons with v30s