Will the Nova System work with Mod 50?

[aeroic]

I tend to like analog effects, chorus, delay etc....and when i bought the Egnater I promised myself I would collect the individual pedals Iiked and didn't want to use a digital rack for fear of ruining my tone or having to go through ther hassle of prgramming effects to patches. I hate that with programmable effects you are limited in making changes on the fly...where with a few basic pedals on the floor, you have easy access and controls. I have noticed that some digital units really kill punch and dynamics, maybe due to the converters.

well i don't get that all w/ the lexicon man. i find the way the lexicon to be layed out makes it VERY easy to program, turn things off / on, etc. I do a lot of on the fly changes like tempos, etc. But, I pretty much set and forget my pedals w/ a sound I like, minus tempo sensitive sounds like tremelos and univybes, etc. For those I have their tempo easily changed with a tap button on my pedalboard.

I find it more of a hassle dealing w/ pedals for powering them, dealing with cables going bad, etc. I mainly have a wah, and a distortion pedal or two on my pedal board, and the rest is in the rack.

If you liked my recorded tone on the eggie collective clip page, that was w/ the MPXG2 on the whole time. I have tried it w/ and w/o the lexicon in the loop I really heard no noticeable difference. But that's me. But I've also had analog pedals that suck away tone too. Its all in what you are looking for. I couldn't live w/o the Lexicon's noise gate mainly. Having a programable noise gate per patch is the bomb.

But then again, that's me. I hate trying to remember all my settings on my pedals from gig to gig. I can back my settings up via a midi dump .

Eric

 

[richedie]

I would think about a rack if i had a preamp/poweramp set up so I could have it all in the rack..however with a head and pedalboard...the rack is just one more thing for me to carry around.

I am inclined to see if I can get away with no effects and maybe just a tuner, wah and noise supressor.

In terms of rack effects...the closest I have seen on the floor is the Nova System, but I am guessing it is more a jack of trades, not an expert in any one.

 

[richedie]

Wonder why the loop is designed only for line level. Kind of messes things up if you want to retain that tube warmth and keep a thick/rich tone by using all analog pedals. Not many analog pedals are line level.

 

[aeroic]

Wonder why the loop is designed only for line level. Kind of messes things up if you want to retain that tube warmth and keep a thick/rich tone by using all analog pedals. Not many analog pedals are line level.

then go buy a ebtech line level shifter. the input preamp tube in a guitar amp changes the signal from instrument level to a line level signal. i've only seen a handful of amps that offer the ability to switch the efx loop to instrument level. but its done at a cost.

eric

 

[jmgman69]

Wonder why the loop is designed only for line level. Kind of messes things up if you want to retain that tube warmth and keep a thick/rich tone by using all analog pedals. Not many analog pedals are line level.

Believe me when I say that if Bruce thought it would hurt the tone it wouldn't be that way.I agree with eric ,just get the Ebtech and use your pedals,And if you don't like it,send it back to GC By the wayrichie,I love my G system with the Mod or the M4!It does take time to set it up but worth it in my opinion............just my 2 cents

 

[richedie]

Amps I have owned all worked with instrument level effects, not line level. I mean, my friends currently with amp heads all use typical Boss pedals, etc in the loop.

However, speaking of the G System......the Nova is tempting but I HATE programming digital effects and the thought of tweaking on the fly.

 

[Jeff Hilligan]

We designed the loop to be line level because that is what our previous users wanted, when we were designing it. They have all since ditched there pedal boards for a line level effect unit and called it a day! Tom Anderson had a huge 3 foot board with all these pedals on it and now its gone after he got our MOD 50 and a G major

 

[Orren]

We designed the loop to be line level because that is what our previous users wanted, when we were designing it.

I may be wrong on this, but doesn't the lower levels of pedals, even in a loop designed for them, result in more noise than a line level loop? I believe I've either read that or heard other designers make that claim.

Tom Anderson had a huge 3 foot board with all these pedals on it and now its gone after he got our MOD 50 and a G major

In my current frame of mind, I'm thinking that having just a couple favorite analog pedals in the front, then one line level capable unit for the loop, is probably the best of all worlds. And that could be a Nova System. Even the overdrive could sound good in a loop, if used at low levels to just add "dirt" to a delay line, etc.

Orren

 

[richedie]

I guess my point was that analog pedals always sound best to me so I am just wanting that option but what can ya do....maybe I can get by running them all up front. Digital effects in the loop, rack, etc, always impart some kind of digital or synthetic quality like I am playing a modelling amp.

Luckily I found some line level delays like the Maxon and Dunlop CC.

 

[richedie]

So has anyone used one yet?

 

[Valtiel]

We designed the loop to be line level because that is what our previous users wanted, when we were designing it. They have all since ditched there pedal boards for a line level effect unit and called it a day! Tom Anderson had a huge 3 foot board with all these pedals on it and now its gone after he got our MOD 50 and a G major

That pretty much exactly what I did. Still some boosts out front though, but no more pedals in the loop.

 

[richedie]

I don't think the Nova System is the same quality as the G System and I can't afford the G System so I am sticking with good analog pedals for now. Digital units, rack or floor based always seem to alter the tone and make me feel I am playing a digital amp.

However, I do have a Nova delay but would prefer an anaolg delay...but apparently the System is a combination of all of the Nova pedals.

 

[richedie]

The problem with multi units is you are screwed if it goes down, you can't tweak on the fly like with pedals and you sacrifice some tone.

In the end, I am more and more liking my tone dry so I am trying to go bare bones, tuner, wah and noise suppressor.

 

[Orren]

I don't think the Nova System is the same quality as the G System

According to both the marketing, and TC Tore (a product manager for TC Electronic) who posted on The Gear Page, the algorithms in the G System and in the Nova System effects are 100% identical.

Orren

 

[jmgman69]

I don't think the Nova System is the same quality as the G System

According to both the marketing, and TC Tore (a product manager for TC Electronic) who posted on The Gear Page, the algorithms in the G System and in the Nova System effects are 100% identical.

Orren

I think you are right on with this Orren.

 

[richedie]

If the NOVA System could also change the channels on the MOD 50, I would seriously give it a test with my amp. Although I dread the thought of digital chorus and other modulation effects.

 

[MarcoR]

If the NOVA System could also change the channels on the MOD 50, I would seriously give it a test with my amp.

It should be able to in preset mode but you'd only have 3 channels per bank. That wouldn't be a problem for me; I never use more than 3 channels in a song. I'd just set up banks with the combinations I need. I'd get one if it had a loop for a preamp and had flexable routing so I could place certain effects before the pre and delay and verb after.

 

[richedie]

If the NOVA System could also change the channels on the MOD 50, I would seriously give it a test with my amp.

It should be able to in preset mode but you'd only have 3 channels per bank. That wouldn't be a problem for me; I never use more than 3 channels in a song. I'd just set up banks with the combinations I need. I'd get one if it had a loop for a preamp and had flexable routing so I could place certain effects before the pre and delay and verb after.

I would only need clean, rhythm and lead so that would work.

I thought you use a Mod 50? Why would you need a loop? For example, I would use it in the Mod's llop for delay, chorus, reverb, other modulation and maybe volume boost/EQ. For this I wouldn't need an external loop or another pre amp since I use the Mod 50 for the preamp. Not sure what you meant...

What effects would you put before the Mod's preamp? Compression, chorus? I thikn most effects work as well in the loop except the compressor.

 

[MarcoR]

I thought you use a Mod 50? Why would you need a loop? For example, I would use it in the Mod's llop for delay, chorus, reverb, other modulation and maybe volume boost/EQ. For this I wouldn't need an external loop or another pre amp since I use the Mod 50 for the preamp. Not sure what you meant...

What effects would you put before the Mod's preamp? Compression, chorus? I thikn most effects work as well in the loop except the compressor.

I meant the Mod50 preamp section. What I'm wanting is what I think you can do with the G-System loops and four cable hook up. I assume with the G-system you can choose where in the chain an effect goes? Like whammy before pre amp and delay after?

If the Nova system had that routing option, it would be perfect for me.

 

[richedie]

I don't use anything that would go before the preamp, except maybe chorus...