WTB - Cameron Jose

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Equ1nox":1bw27bjx said:
IndyWS6 - Absolutely and understood. So, the question people need to ask themselves is...am I after "tone" or infatuation that it HAS to be...Marks...or Dave's?

The notion of wait and reputable dealers is noted. If again, you listen to Steve Vai's clip on Tone-Talk, he had to wait 1 YEAR for an amp from Jose! Similar to Mark if he doesn't have off the shelf, your wait will be 9-18 months. Personally, I build customs in 3 weeks!! :O

for Racerxrated - Billy Blades is an un-degreed tattoo artist! The schematics he used after conning people were peoples SWAG and wild ass guesses, which were wrong! Personally, I have reverse-engineered every single amp myself, and so the designs are 100% complete down to cloned PCB, components, voltages, and bias levels.

As a 26 year multi-patent holding ENGINEER, I can tell YOU...you are wrong. If you build them the same, same everything (components, values, voltages, bias), they WILL sound virtually IDENTICAL and I can tell you this as an authority. Friedman's all sound the same for all intents and purposes in the year and design they were made. The reason Mark's MAY not sound the same are he physically makes small variations to a specific flavor of design, but you still should be able to tune them in, and now you know.

As far as Jose design, it's very similar to the CCV and Atomica. This partial schematic from my notes of my 2007 3-channel is only different in moving gain stages 1 and 2 so stage 1 could be shared.

Enjoy!
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Are all your schematics drawn on Mickey Mouse paper or just this one?
 
Metlupass2":243vpamt said:
Equ1nox":243vpamt said:
IndyWS6 - Absolutely and understood. So, the question people need to ask themselves is...am I after "tone" or infatuation that it HAS to be...Marks...or Dave's?

The notion of wait and reputable dealers is noted. If again, you listen to Steve Vai's clip on Tone-Talk, he had to wait 1 YEAR for an amp from Jose! Similar to Mark if he doesn't have off the shelf, your wait will be 9-18 months. Personally, I build customs in 3 weeks!! :O

for Racerxrated - Billy Blades is an un-degreed tattoo artist! The schematics he used after conning people were peoples SWAG and wild ass guesses, which were wrong! Personally, I have reverse-engineered every single amp myself, and so the designs are 100% complete down to cloned PCB, components, voltages, and bias levels.

As a 26 year multi-patent holding ENGINEER, I can tell YOU...you are wrong. If you build them the same, same everything (components, values, voltages, bias), they WILL sound virtually IDENTICAL and I can tell you this as an authority. Friedman's all sound the same for all intents and purposes in the year and design they were made. The reason Mark's MAY not sound the same are he physically makes small variations to a specific flavor of design, but you still should be able to tune them in, and now you know.

As far as Jose design, it's very similar to the CCV and Atomica. This partial schematic from my notes of my 2007 3-channel is only different in moving gain stages 1 and 2 so stage 1 could be shared.

Enjoy!
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Are all your schematics drawn on Mickey Mouse paper or just this one?
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Excuse my ignorance here, but they all have their take on JOSE mods, which are pretty much stealing his original ideas, no?

I'm in the camp that these hand-built $4500+ amps are ridiculously overpriced.

Not to cause butthurt here, (I'm sure it will), but I've heard some clips from some of our resident tinkerers here that rival much more expensive amps all day long.

Hell, I'm debating selling my Friedman, and going back to a Yeti. I even miss my Chinese-built Randall Thrasher. Almost bought another, just today. I'd like to get another 50.
 
Racerxrated - "Psychodave called it a "bouncy" feel and that's a good way to put it."
Yeah, I like a good "bounce" in my circuits also....but not too much. It has to do with adjusting the B+ line and NFB, nothing more. Mark uses a pretty much standard NFB I've seen in multiple, multiple amps!

scottosan - agreed. Besides the Cameron/Friedman/Metro built amps to standardize things, each amp is built to suit and almost no two are the same and yes, a lot of times built with components available, soo may have 480V plate, then on say HI mode on the CCV or the Standel 1-offs, the plate is run at 540-560V, so components, biasing, etc. have to be adjusted. But there IS a "base" design and standard circuits and values Mark uses, like the NFB circuit or presence cap which is primarily .047u (cometimes .039u with avail components on hand). Mark personally prefers the high voltage plate and more headroom and note definition (he told me)...but some people like it more compressive, like in the original BE-design...very compressive (as opposed to the current BE-DLX which is more raw and less compressive.

"Your degree or patents mean nothing."
Actually, they do! How?? Do you want a degreed doctor or lawyer working on or for you, or someone who is degreeed and certified?? Easy answer. People like Billy Blades, since brought up are tinkerers...at best. They don't have the education nor aptitude to come up with anything unique, nor understand how things really work and when you need your Blades amp repaired and have to send from CA to MD and sitting there for a year because he can't figure it out or shitty design with amp failing, tolex falling off and chassis all bent up from road use....yeah, it matters! lol

psychodave - yes, he was working with what he had, so you have to adjust accordingly. I've worked on a fair share of Ceriatone and canot get them to sound from good to excellent. The issue is the shitty iron (and fair amount of value to the amp-cheap). So, the entire iron set would need to be replaced. As far as Mark and components...he favors certain things like Motorola gold pin transistors for the Jose/clipping designs. He also had an affinity to the WIMA poly caps.

Metlupass2 - "Are all your schematics drawn on Mickey Mouse paper or just this one?"
NOPE. Just a quick drawn up. Every single design I have, has the exact PCB, BOM, Layout, and schematic (not hand drawn).

Mailman1971 - "All the tone is thru Mickey"
Absolutely! It the MAGICAL world of Mickey! lol There is NO majic going on really. You use the same design, same part, similar tubes, same component selection....you will get the SAME amp whether scott, me, Mark, or someone else builds it!

napalmdeath - "but they all have their take on JOSE mods, which are pretty much stealing his original ideas, no?"
YEP! Jose was THE MAN. I originally misread the inital thread and thought Rufus was looking for an original Jose Arredondo amp. Hell, I would love to have one....if I could find one. They are much more rare than Mark's and where the real $4500 should be.

Friedman's are nothing more than Jose! They are 100% Jose and just using a standard Marshall tonestack, but with standard Marshall post TS master instead of Jose's pre-TS master! There is nothing else unique about the amp(s)!! You are paying for Dave's-version of a Jose clone, nothing more.

"Hell, I'm debating selling my Friedman, and going back to a Yeti."
DON'T DO THAT. See what I said above. Worked on many Ceriatones and they suck. Channel popping and (Chupa, Yeti, 2203, etc). Every one had a "sterile"ness to them. Poor iron, poorly design switching, and some of the design just sterilizes it. After the initial high of owning it and hearing something that sounds good...it wears off and you'll be like...wtf did I do?
 

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Just messing with ya man!
I met you face to face. Bought an Amp from ya!
Yes. Your the real deal. :thumbsup:
We need to talk soon. Looking for a one of. ;)
 
Equ1nox":1yrj570m said:
"Your degree or patents mean nothing."
Actually, they do! How?? Do you want a degreed doctor or lawyer working on or for you, or someone who is degreeed and certified?? Easy answer. People like Billy Blades, since brought up are tinkerers...at best. They don't have the education nor aptitude to come up with anything unique, nor understand how things really work and when you need your Blades amp repaired and have to send from CA to MD and sitting there for a year because he can't figure it out or shitty design with amp failing, tolex
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No one will would argue Billy should not be allowed near anything sharp like a soldiering iron or even a tattoo gun FWIW. But the doctor lawyer argument is apples and oranges since they not only study relevant curriculum, but are also required to do a residency and become licensed.

Most EE's cannot build a basic tube amp and are not schooled on modern high gain tube amp design amp nor do they have a ear or feel for how an amp should react. That is something that comes from experience.
 
If anyone here is interested in one PM me. I’ve got a few Cameron modded Marshall’s
 

Equ1nox​


Anyway I can get a copy of the Atomica pre-amp schematic from you?

Thanks
Rob
 
scottosan said:
Even if you built a 1:1 copy for 1/2 the price, it would be worth 1/4 of the price. People want stuff built by the people would designed/created them. Replicas simply aren't worth originals. You aren't a household name in the music industry thus regardless of how well you can copy it, until then it simply is not valuable on the market.
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If someone could build one and sound identical if not better and only be work $1k to $2k I would jump all over it and so would plenty of others. I could care less about the name of the guy that did the build or mod. Guys like David Hopkins with his Pandora Mods or Shea at Monomyth are two that are very similar and sound very similar.
 
rm5153 said:
If someone could build one and sound identical if not better and only be work $1k to $2k I would jump all over it and so would plenty of others. I could care less about the name of the guy that did the build or mod. Guys like David Hopkins with his Pandora Mods or Shea at Monomyth are two that are very similar and sound very similar.
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At 1k to 2k there’s not much money to be made. I dont think either of those guys do it as their sole source of income.
 
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[QUOTE="Equ1nox, post: 2262928], But there IS a "base" design and standard circuits and values Mark uses, like the NFB circuit or presence cap which is primarily .047u (cometimes .039u with avail components on hand).
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You mean 0.47uf?
 
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I had a Jose Cameron on a SLP reissue sold to me by Chubtone.

That amp ruled at murder-volumes. And SOUNDED BETTER WITH THE MOD/JOSE SWITCH OFF (when turned up with a SD-1). I sold the amp to someone on this forum who sold it, who sold it. Later to get shit from Chubtone that I somehow fucked with it. (I did nothing ever to that amp, I babied it).

Anyway, buy a SLPRI and turn the fucker up with a boost.
 
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