Yep... I played the Jose... Yep

DanTravis62 said:
I've never owned one for this reason :ROFLMAO:

I've played a handful, and they certainly have their place

The smoothness and compression lends itself well to lead tones, certainly

But if i'm being real here, lead tones are easy. You can get a bitchin lead tone with a god damn rockman, so 5 grand for a BE100 seems excessive

The best one IMO that i've played is the dirty shirley, but I haven't played the butterslax or steve stevens or the JEL - just the runt, small box, BE100, PT20, etc

In the clips the Jose definitely has more grunt and aggression than the BE circuit, which is definitely way more up my alley
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Even for leads I generally find them a bit bland where I can’t play as expressively with them as I can on amps that have more nuance in their tone and reactivity. I actually find great lead tones to be one the of the harder areas to do really well because the notes need to connect very well (opposite of say an Uber Ultra or Omega) and the nuance and extra stuff (like overtones) going on around the notes needs to be on point or it just comes off to me sterile/lacking soul (problem on most Friedman’s). I think it’s a delicate balance of being smooth and not smooth in the right places. I think amps that are just smooth and compressed like some Friedman’s lend themselves to being easy to play for leads, but not actually having a really inspiring tone for it (to me at least).I think amps like the Jim Kelley, Gjika and Ronin get that balance and nuance, some of my all time favorite lead amps, but not high gain amps
 
braintheory said:
Even for leads I generally find them a bit bland where I can’t play as expressively with them as I can on amps that have more nuance in their tone and reactivity. I actually find great lead tones to be one the of the harder areas to do really well because the notes need to connect very well (opposite of say an Uber Ultra or Omega) and the nuance and extra stuff (like overtones) going on around the notes needs to be on point or it just comes off to me sterile/lacking soul (problem on most Friedman’s). I think it’s a delicate balance of being smooth and not smooth in the right places. I think amps that are just smooth and compressed like some Friedman’s lend themselves to being easy to play for leads, but not actually having to a really inspiring tone for it (to me at least).I think amps like the Jim Kelley, Gjika and Ronin get that balance and nuance, some of my all time favorite lead amps, but not high gain amps
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Maybe that's just a function of personal preference then :dunno:

IMO I can get a great lead tone out of any vintage marshall and boost of some sort

I think the older revision mark amps are really good for leads, too - I don't think i've ever played one that I thought was too sterile

Every wizard or fryette i've ever played has been capable of a great lead tone as well - though sometimes needing a boost pedal of some sort

Kelley, Gjika, and Dumblestyle amps all sound amazing for lead, but for the sort of blues lawyer sort of lead, not really what i'm personally into playing
 
DanTravis62 said:
Maybe that's just a function of personal preference then :dunno:

IMO I can get a great lead tone out of any vintage marshall and boost of some sort

I think the older revision mark amps are really good for leads, too - I don't think i've ever played one that I thought was too sterile

Every wizard or fryette i've ever played has been capable of a great lead tone as well - though sometimes needing a boost pedal of some sort

Kelley, Gjika, and Dumblestyle amps all sound amazing for lead, but for the sort of blues lawyer sort of lead, not really what i'm personally into playing
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Oh yeah vintage Marshall’s and Mark’s are awesome leads amps. Some of my favorites for the styles we actually play on here lol, the iic+ being my all time favorite for liquid high gain leads. Wizards can be great for it too and Fryette’s decent imo. My Hell Razor is actually one of my favorite high gain leads amps I’ve played (light years better than the MC and MTL I had for that). But these amps all have a lot of the characteristics I’m talking about, while Friedman’s are typically just smooth with compression, resulting to me an amp that feels good for playing leads, but not truly having a special tone for it. Getting a special tone for it imo is not easy to find. I think a lot of lead guys don’t really have an interesting tone (too homogenous and smooth), but they’re playing itself is enough

Yes, not the amps for what most guys play here, but in a perfect world, hypothetical scenario it would amazing to have a true high gain amp that was even 80% as nuanced and tonally 3D as those amps
 
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braintheory said:
Oh yeah vintage Marshall’s and Mark’s are awesome leads amps. Some of my favorites for the styles we actually play on here lol, the iic+ being my all time favorite for liquid high gain leads. Wizards can be great for it too and Fryette’s decent imo. My Hell Razor is actually one of my favorite high gain leads amps I’ve played (light years better than the MC and MTL I had for that). But these amps all have a lot of the characteristics I’m talking about, while Friedman’s are typically just smooth with compression, resulting to me an amp that feels good for playing leads, but not truly having a special tone for it. Getting a special tone for it imo is not easy to find. I think a lot of lead guys don’t really have an interesting tone (too homogenous and smooth), but they’re playing is enough

Yes, not the amps for what most guys play here, but in a perfect world hypothetical scenario it would amazing to have a true high gain amp that was even 80% as nuances and finally 3D as those amps
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Yeah that makes sense. I guess I just feel like it's easier to find/get an awesome lead tone that works for me personally, compared to a really awesome rhythm tone that works for me personally

Friedmans i've tried in the past have uh, not been great for my purposes - although, I have to say the dirty shirley/twin sister is one hell of a cool amp and circuit design. Really raw and ugly and ratty and alive sounding.

I would have to actually try the Jose in person to get a really good measure of it, but at least from the phone clips it seems really promising and a "departure" compared to the amps friedman is known for
 
DanTravis62 said:
Yeah that makes sense. I guess I just feel like it's easier to find/get an awesome lead tone that works for me personally, compared to a really awesome rhythm tone that works for me personally

Friedmans i've tried in the past have uh, not been great for my purposes - although, I have to say the dirty shirley/twin sister is one hell of a cool amp and circuit design. Really raw and ugly and ratty and alive sounding.

I would have to actually try the Jose in person to get a really good measure of it, but at least from the phone clips it seems really promising and a "departure" compared to the amps friedman is known for
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It could just be that you have very specific needs for your rhythmical stuff, so only so many amps work, but the same can be true for some guy’s lead needs or any category really. I have very specific needs for cleans since I mostly do classical guitar type stuff and only so many clean amps work how I want for it. For my purposes almost all the clean channels on high gain amps aren’t useable, even ones guys rave about here so much. I find it similarly hard in any of these categories to really get something special in tone, but I guess the more specific of what you play, it just gets harder

It does seem like Friedman could be headed in a better direction fingers crossed

One of my friends has very special needs in sound for some of his reamps. I get it
 
braintheory said:
It could just be that you have very specific needs for your rhythmical stuff, so only so many amps work, but the same can be true for some guy’s lead needs or any category really. I have very specific needs for cleans since I mostly do classical guitar type stuff and only so many clean amps work how I want for it. For my purposes almost all the clean channels on high gain amps aren’t useable, even ones guys rave about here so much. I find it similarly hard in any of these categories to really get something special in tone, but I guess the more specific of what you play, it just gets harder

It does seem like Friedman could be headed in a better direction fingers crossed
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That makes sense. Although, I don't play classical, and I agree that most high gain amps have awful clean channels

It's crazy because it can't be THAT expensive if you're using a pcb anyways to just have an AB763 circuit AS your clean channel, and done

I have no idea why builders don't do stuff like that
 
SQUAREHEAD said:
Hey Dan,
Is that official, Bro?
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Well a 42-4300 dollar amp to yer door w/ shipping & tax/ins is every bit $5K.
This amp and its price is not listed on Friedman webpage. Dave said it would be limited number made.
Did anyone noticd Dave say Jose modded EVH and also metioned its like a Cameron ???
So i guess we can put to rest Eds amp was NOT stock. no kidding.
 
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this might be the one for me .. I don't think the NFB is fucked around with, I hate all that depth shit

also in reference to above.. the amp is not limited. It is production.. the batches are "limited"
 
It seems to sound better than alot of real Jose amps judging by these clips.:yes::dunno:

I think Dave has seen quite a few Jose's and knows which ones didn't sound so good and the ones that sounded good and made notes. Plusin the interview Dave said this amp has quite a few different Jose options available.

Good for Dave.....If you can't afford a real Jose then these ought to do the trick.....:2thumbsup:
 
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Question,
Why does he seem to run all his new amps through the Power Station?

I’d like to hear the naked amp with no fx through a cab.
 
shar-vell Dan said:
Well a 42-4300 dollar amp to yer door w/ shipping & tax/ins is every bit $5K.
This amp and its price is not listed on Friedman webpage. Dave said it would be limited number made.
Did anyone noticd Dave say Jose modded EVH and also metioned its like a Cameron ???
So i guess we can put to rest Eds amp was NOT stock. no kidding.
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Not limited number made, limited builds in batches. In other words, not going to be an assembly line kind of thing.
 
romanianreaper said:
I know for the Plex demo, he had to because there is no effects loop.
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‘Had to’

I know what you’re saying Dude, and I get what you mean, but he doesn’t ‘have to’ include fx in all his demos. FX can give false impression that any given amp sounds gigantic.

I like to hear the amps dry.

Maybe it’s just me, but a Solid State practice amp with good fx thru a Power Station (W/D) can probably sound pretty darn incredible.

Just sayin… 😉
 
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