The IIC+reissue goes live Dec. 3rd. $3599

fedrek said:
It depends on what kind of Stripe he had, and this is not a fair comparison at all. It's like saying I compared a Fender Bassman to a Marshall JTM 45 and they're not even close. You look at the circuit and they're similar but in fact, these are different things.
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@fedrek the III+ mod makes what Stripe it is a moot point. The III’s were all similar to each other with minor tweaks, except for the No Stripes.

They can all be made to sound alike or can be modded to a III+ with the exception of the No Stripe not having the same PCB. It can still be made to sound like the others but requires cut traces and flying splices $$$.

The III+ warms & smoothes the top end and makes the III sound closer to a IIC+. It’s not a major mod, but many find it to be an improvement.
 
SonVolt said:
True. Modern metal is a lot more "brutal" now because engineers learned through Metallica's mistakes how to incorporate bass and drums properly. Hetfield's riffs were brutal for the time, but the mix overall never hit you in the chest like say (and I hate to say this) Korn did in the '90s. Post-thrash metal bands learned how to use bass properly. Turn the volume up really high on any of Metallica's albums pre-Black album and it's a shrill mess. All guitar.
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AJFA is still KING all day any day.

I don’t even remember listening anything Korn for more than 5 seconds. Even name says it’s corny stuff, I expect it to be numetal bloated fart contest honestly. But then again, I never even listened a single song of theirs.
 
Bossman415 said:
@Yehuda thanks, just confirms what most suspect. Should be cool, but at that price I’m more inclined to scope out a used Wizard.
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Honestly, I wouldn't put any stock in what anybody says about the reissue at this point. It's going to be too close to call and literally everyone who gives an opinion is going to be biased one way or another due to how fabled the amp is.

The only thing, and I mean only thing, anyone should pay any attention to at all to find out if it's as good as the original is proper A/B testing done by people who actually know how to A/B test amps the right way, eliminating all unnecessary variables.
 
fwiw, i REALLY dialed into the justice tone when i ran 2 master effects PMEQ's in series in the loop of my mark IVa -> 1960av.
it was totally there. you have to compensate with more volume for all the dropped frequencies, but thats what they did.
 
Bossman415 said:
@fedrek the III+ mod makes what Stripe it is a moot point. The III’s were all similar to each other with minor tweaks, except for the No Stripes.

They can all be made to sound alike or can be modded to a III+ with the exception of the No Stripe not having the same PCB. It can still be made to sound like the others but requires cut traces and flying splices $$$.

The III+ warms & smoothes the top end and makes the III sound closer to a IIC+. It’s not a major mod, but many find it to be an improvement.
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Sure, one III can sound like another III, I'm talking about comparing it to the IIC+, which is not correct because it's a different amp with a different character. Many will think that it's just slightly different components inside, but the sound always changes if you change even one component. In fact, Mesa tech told my friend that the Studio Preamp is an identical clone of the IIC+ preamp, but in every YT video it sounds so damn loose and it sounded loose when my friend tested it too. I'll shut my mouth once I see the comparison between the old IIC+ and the new IIC+, now it just useless.
 
fedrek said:
Sure, one III can sound like another III, I'm talking about comparing it to the IIC+, which is not correct because it's a different amp with a different character. Many will think that it's just slightly different components inside, but the sound always changes if you change even one component. In fact, Mesa tech told my friend that the Studio Preamp is an identical clone of the IIC+ preamp, but in every YT video it sounds so damn loose and it sounded loose when my friend tested it too. I'll shut my mouth once I see the comparison between the old IIC+ and the new IIC+, now it just useless.
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The III+ is pretty much a copy of the IIC+ circuit. Yes there are some differences between them, especially the layout.

FWIW, wait to hear the reviews pour in from credible folks and get some play time with the reissue before plopping down $4k after taxes.

As someone who has owned multiple IIC+/++'s (S, D, H), III's (D & H), III+, III++, IVa, IIB's (S, D, H), JP2C, and I's... $4k is a lot of dough.
 
Bossman415 said:
The III+ is pretty much a copy of the IIC+ circuit. Yes there are some differences between them, especially the layout.

FWIW, wait to hear the reviews pour in from credible folks and get some play time with the reissue before plopping down $4k after taxes.

As someone who has owned multiple IIC+/++'s (S, D, H), III's (D & H), III+, III++, IVa, IIB's (S, D, H), JP2C, and I's... $4k is a lot of dough.
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I think that in comparison with the 10-15k cost on the secondary market for the original, this is more or less not bad for those who want to try the legend, but this if the the reissue sounds the same and a lot of people here and in the comments on YT doubt it. I have a bad feeling but we'll see. Nobody actually demoed this amp yet to tell us if it's good or not.
 
fedrek said:
Sure, one III can sound like another III, I'm talking about comparing it to the IIC+, which is not correct because it's a different amp with a different character. Many will think that it's just slightly different components inside, but the sound always changes if you change even one component. In fact, Mesa tech told my friend that the Studio Preamp is an identical clone of the IIC+ preamp, but in every YT video it sounds so damn loose and it sounded loose when my friend tested it too. I'll shut my mouth once I see the comparison between the old IIC+ and the new IIC+, now it just useless.
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I've owned multiple IIC+'s and have had friends bring their IIC+'s over. Every single IIC+ sounded different from another, even the same wattage. Sixty Watts (SRG) sounded different from each other. Hundred Watts (HRG) sounded vastly different from each other. Never had a chance to pit two DRG's against each other, but I'm sure they would sound different too. It's a weird experience. My sixty watt sounded worse then a buddies sixty watt. My hundred watt sounded way better than a different buddies hundred watt. Had a studio preamp + modded too which sounded similar, but different. If they managed to create a true reissue, it wouldn't matter what anyone's comparison is.. They would all sound different, even swapping tubes to make them the same.

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vultures said:
I've owned multiple IIC+'s and have had friends bring their IIC+'s over. Every single IIC+ sounded different from another, even the same wattage. Sixty Watts (SRG) sounded different from each other. Hundred Watts (HRG) sounded vastly different from each other. Never had a chance to pit two DRG's against each other, but I'm sure they would sound different too. It's a weird experience. My sixty watt sounded worse then a buddies sixty watt. My hundred watt sounded way better than a different buddies hundred watt. Had a studio preamp + modded too which sounded similar, but different. If they managed to create a true reissue, it wouldn't matter what anyone's comparison is.. They would all sound different, even swapping tubes to make them the same.

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Of course they vary, but what they all had in common for me at least is their distinctive feel that feels so connected and liquid-y in addition to of course the more raw, organic/human-like sound that vintage amps have. Mesa/Boogie hasn't come out with any amp in the last quarter of a century or so to capture any of those qualities that are what make good gear special or magical to me and I'm not optimistic that all of a sudden now it's gonna happen with these upcoming reissues, but I'd love it if I was wrong and would happily eat my words if they get it right, but I think there's a better chance of me finding a Klon for under $1k lol
 
braintheory said:
Of course they vary, but what they all had in common for me at least is their distinctive feel that feels so connected and liquid-y in addition to of course the more raw, organic/human-like sound that vintage amps have. Mesa/Boogie hasn't come out with any amp in the last quarter of a century or so to capture any of those qualities that are what make good gear special or magical to me and I'm not optimistic that all of a sudden now it's gonna happen with these upcoming reissues, but I'd love it if I was wrong and would happily eat my words if they get it right, but I think there's a better chance of me finding a Klon for under $1k lol
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I concur. The in the room feel for a IIC+ is a big part of the experience. They are all so impossibly loud and pissed off. It's impossible to record or capture. Cranking a IIC+'s Master to 3 literally scrambles your brains with how loud it is. The Mark V, VII, JP2C and Badlander just does not have that intensity.
 
fedrek said:
And this is at a time when you can buy a used Mark III Purple Stripe on Reverb for around 2-2500 euros and it will sound about the same or maybe even better.
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I agree 100 ! Mark mark 3 ++ greenie does about anything I need rock or metal wise . Even modern 8!string sounds fantastic through it . I do not think this reissue would be better with those trannies
 
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