Well All My Gear May Be Destroyed...

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PhoneyIommi said:
January is the height of fire season? January is typically the second wettest in Los Angeles, with 3.3 inches of rain.
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Again. thank you. They began draining the reservoir in February of last year. It was draining for approximately 2 months (it takes some time to waste that much water) and remained dry all throughout the 2024 fire season. It was drained initially under the explanation of "minor repairs" despite the animated protestations of environmentalists, meteorologists and local (Democratic Majority) city council. The repairs were never even scheduled and it remains dry to this day, as evidenced by recent events. I participate in local (town level) government and am versed on this issue. You seem well intentioned, but it also seems (at least to me) that your political orientation is not allowing you to process these facts without the cloudiness of bias. I'm sorry, but you either don't understand what happened here, or you simply do not want to. Accountability is not a political issue.
 
angelspade said:
Again. thank you. They began draining the reservoir in February of last year. It was draining for approximately 2 months (it takes some time to waste that much water) and remained dry all throughout the 2024 fire season. It was drained initially under the explanation of "minor repairs" despite the animated protestations of environmentalists, meteorologists and local (Democratic Majority) city council. The repairs were never even scheduled and it remains dry to this day, as evidenced by recent events. I participate in local (town level) government and am versed on this issue. You seem well intentioned, but it also seems (at least to me) that your political orientation is not allowing you to process these facts without the cloudiness of bias. I'm sorry, but you either don't understand what happened here, or you simply do not want to. Accountability is not a political issue.
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I'm very happy that your house was spared. Best of luck going forward. Take care.
 
Indeed good advice. And the fact that 'they dropped her after the fire' was not for some political finger pointing, packaged as a official statement about mismanagement, presented as "fact", which would be very convenient for them of course... But in reality for the sole reason of $$$.
They want to make as much money as possible and actually paying up is low on their 'cool bro, lemme help ya out after you paid us for decades in fees' list.

And sure, there are assholes that will suddenly claim there was a priceless Monet on their wall in their Malibu mansion, but if you can actually afford Van Goghs and Monets, coughing up a few mil for a new house should be easier for you than for most of the affected folks.
 
"The three wildfires that have devastated large parts of the Los Angeles city and surrounding areas in the United States since January 7, 2025, occurred due to rare meteorological conditions enhanced by global warming and consequent climate change, mainly due to a ‘hydroclimate whiplash’.

The region affected by the fires was 5 degrees Celsius warmer, up to 15 per cent drier and up to 20 per cent windier.

“We ascribe the strengthened winds, higher temperature and drier conditions triggering January 2025 California wildfires to human-driven climate change, and natural climate variability likely played a minor role”, said researchers.

The extreme dry conditions in the current season were preceded by a predominantly wet season in early 2024, which had aided the growth of vegetation.

This creates a ‘hydroclimate whiplash’ condition wherein an extremely wet season is succeeded by an extremely dry season, according to a research paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Earth & Environment on January 9, 2025. Moreover, the dry conditions in California frequently overlap with the Santa Ana winds season, creating the perfect conditions for intense wildfires.
 
PhoneyIommi said:
"The three wildfires that have devastated large parts of the Los Angeles city and surrounding areas in the United States since January 7, 2025, occurred due to rare meteorological conditions enhanced by global warming and consequent climate change, mainly due to a ‘hydroclimate whiplash’.

The region affected by the fires was 5 degrees Celsius warmer, up to 15 per cent drier and up to 20 per cent windier.

“We ascribe the strengthened winds, higher temperature and drier conditions triggering January 2025 California wildfires to human-driven climate change, and natural climate variability likely played a minor role”, said researchers.

The extreme dry conditions in the current season were preceded by a predominantly wet season in early 2024, which had aided the growth of vegetation.

This creates a ‘hydroclimate whiplash’ condition wherein an extremely wet season is succeeded by an extremely dry season, according to a research paper published in the journal Nature Reviews Earth & Environment on January 9, 2025. Moreover, the dry conditions in California frequently overlap with the Santa Ana winds season, creating the perfect conditions for intense wildfires.
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None of that changes the fact that wildfire prevention and mitigation measures were mismanaged.
 
I honestly don't understand the controversy here...I really don't. I can tell that locally, on the ground: THERE IS NO QUESTION that the situation was both horribly managed before and during.

- Yes, the 117 million gallon reservoir was drained and remained dry for an extended period of time in spite of warnings from experts

- Yes, locally the citizens and city council has been begging Los Angeles to allow for aggressive forest management in the hills and mountains

-Yes, LA would not allow us to have control burns that would eradicate the fuel for a fire of this nature

-Yes, there were no preemptive water drops or fire retardant programs when they knew the Santa Anna winds would create this hazard

- Yes, the LA Fire departments budget was cut substantially (K. Bass) in the prior year's budget in spite of protests from Police and CalFire

- Yes The CA State fire management budget was cut by over $100 Million (G. Newsom) last June

- Yes the hydrants ran dry very quickly

None of these facts are even being disputed to my knowledge. This just doesn't seem like a complex issue to grasp, at all. What is the problem?
 
angelspade said:
I honestly don't understand the controversy here...I really don't. I can tell that locally, on the ground: THERE IS NO QUESTION that the situation was both horribly managed before and during.

- Yes, the 117 million gallon reservoir was drained and remained dry for an extended period of time in spite of warnings from experts

- Yes, locally the citizens and city council has been begging Los Angeles to allow for aggressive forest management in the hills and mountains

-Yes, LA would not allow us to have control burns that would eradicate the fuel for a fire of this nature

-Yes, there were no preemptive water drops or fire retardant programs when they knew the Santa Anna winds would create this hazard

- Yes, the LA Fire departments budget was cut substantially (K. Bass) in the prior year's budget in spite of protests from Police and CalFire

- Yes The CA State fire management budget was cut by over $100 Million (G. Newsom) last June

- Yes the hydrants ran dry very quickly

None of these facts are even being disputed to my knowledge. This just doesn't seem like a complex issue to grasp, at all. What is the problem?
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- Yes, the record wet 2023 was followed by record drought, and heat.
-Yes, every year in the last decade has been hotter than the year before on average.
- Yes, this is directly attributable to human fossil fuel emissions.
Thanks and have a great day.
 
PhoneyIommi said:
- Yes, the record wet 2023 was followed by record drought, and heat.
-Yes, every year in the last decade has been hotter than the year before on average.
- Yes, this is directly attributable to human fossil fuel emissions.
Thanks and have a great day.
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Got it...You do not dispute any of what I posted then?

If what your saying is correct (sole cause was global warming) one might assume that they would be MORE prepared rather than less, correct?

Is it possible that climate change contributed to an environment that would facilitate this fire AND it was horribly prepared for and mismanaged?
 
angelspade said:
Got it...You do not dispute any of what I posted then?

If what your saying is correct (sole cause was global warming) one might assume that they would be MORE prepared rather than less, correct?

Is it possible that climate change contributed to an environment that would facilitate this fire AND it was horribly prepared for and mismanaged?
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I never said that.
 
PhoneyIommi said:
Nothing is going to stop a fire with so much heat, low humidity and 100 mph winds.
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No, nothing short of a miracle could stop a wildfire of the intensity that these were.

A fire needs a fuel source to get that hot in the first place. Proper mitigation and forest management would have a higher probability to prevent the wildfire from getting that bad in the first place. That in turn would have made any fires that sprung up easier to fight and likely cause less damage.
 
angelspade said:
Got it...You do not dispute any of what I posted then?

If what your saying is correct (sole cause was global warming) one might assume that they would be MORE prepared rather than less, correct?

Is it possible that climate change contributed to an environment that would facilitate this fire AND it was horribly prepared for and mismanaged?
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2024 LAFD budget was reduced by $17.6m.

LA Fire Chief Kristin Crowley told CNN that the budget cut had "severely" affected the department's ability to respond to the disaster.

She said the department was already under-staffed and the elimination of civilian positions, like mechanics, had meant that 100 fire apparatuses were out of service.

Mayor Bass responded to the criticism, saying: "There were no reductions that were made that would have impacted the situation that we were dealing with over the last couple of days."

After the 2024-25 budget was passed, the city council approved $53m in pay raises for firefighters and $58m for new kit, such as firetrucks.

Once that funding is taken into account, the fire department's operating budget technically grew this year, according to the newspaper.

The LAFD has an overall budget of approaching $1bn, and it isn't the only department responding to the fires.

For example, the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection and the Los Angeles County Fire Department are part of the relief efforts, along with the federal government
 
angelspade said:
Got it...You do not dispute any of what I posted then?

If what your saying is correct (sole cause was global warming) one might assume that they would be MORE prepared rather than less, correct?

Is it possible that climate change contributed to an environment that would facilitate this fire AND it was horribly prepared for and mismanaged?
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Newsom cut firefighting budget?
"the number of CalFIRE [California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection] personnel has nearly doubled since 2019 (from 5,829 to 10,741)," and that "CalFIRE’s budget has nearly doubled since 2019 ($2 Billion to $3.8 Billion)."

Such increases are somewhat corroborated by California's Legislative Analyst's Office (LAO). The LAO is a nonpartisan organisation which offers independent analysis of California's state budget as well as fiscal and policy advice to lawmakers. It states that CalFIRE was allocated $2.525 billion and authority for 7,182.5 personnel in the 2018-19 budget, while the 2024-25 budget gave it $4.249 billion and authority for 12,511.5 personnel.
 
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