Beyond Black
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You’re largely responsible for me having this C and 72 SL!
You and Sam have cost me a lot of $$$!!!
You and Sam have cost me a lot of $$$!!!
Beyond Black
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Absolutely, it’s the greasiest and most bouncy feeling Recto I’ve had of the C,D,F and G.
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braintheory
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Ah way too short. I hope no one tries to convert any more iic's to c+'s. It should be considered the biggest sin in all of gear. Worse than modding a '60's Plexi, Rev C or real '59 LP at this pointWell, yes but it was a brief 2 weeks before it shipped off to Mike for the +...so, I didn't have it long enough to count
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braintheory
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That very well could be the case. I wouldn't know as I'm not a tech guy at all. That's a bummer though as I'm only a recto fan because of the orange channel
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braintheory
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It's still the same recto flavor but more ripping/aggressive in the higher frequencies, tighter, faster, a little less low mids (still a lot though) and more 3D complexity that you'd hear in person. I think that feel guy's talk about in the iic+ and Rev C is at least partly a byproduct of the more 3D quality to the sound, where even if you don't hear it consciously, it's there and has that effect on how we perceive the feel. That's the main distinguisher to me and the more aggressive quality in the higher frequencies I still couldn't match with the F's I had when AB'ed no matter how I set them (and they were C modded). It could match almost the brightness itself, but the frequencies in that region were still smoother, not as ripping as the C. The Rev D got closest IME
Catthan
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I owned the G demo'd here.
The previous owner who filmed the vid told me that he decided to flog the G bc it was the easiest one to recoup his money (£2K) but otherwise he couldn't hear much difference, neither could I tbh.. bear in mind 'difference' is a term relative to
hype
cost
other contributing factors.
what I did with that G? I had it modded by Dan Gower and then sold it bc no matter how good it was originally or how much better Dan got it, it didn't sound as nice to me as my previous ToV..
Dan had modded an F prior for a pro metal studio here in UK - I think you can hear that in recent Tesseract records- and when he opened mine up I don't recal him mentioning and surprising differences in between that F and my G.
The previous owner who filmed the vid told me that he decided to flog the G bc it was the easiest one to recoup his money (£2K) but otherwise he couldn't hear much difference, neither could I tbh.. bear in mind 'difference' is a term relative to
hype
cost
other contributing factors.
what I did with that G? I had it modded by Dan Gower and then sold it bc no matter how good it was originally or how much better Dan got it, it didn't sound as nice to me as my previous ToV..
Dan had modded an F prior for a pro metal studio here in UK - I think you can hear that in recent Tesseract records- and when he opened mine up I don't recal him mentioning and surprising differences in between that F and my G.
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bubucci
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Little bit more presence on rev F will make them sound exactly the same. Wait, there is a presence knob on rev F already to save You 3000 dollars
GJgo
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I also recall Mike telling me that he only did the red channel when he C modded my G Triple. (which I highly regretted) Also, the clean channel got NUKED.
GJgo
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This is like the guys that say the IIC+ and the III are the same. On a recording? Maybe-ish. In the room at volume? No way. Regardless of what you think is better or worse, it's different.Little bit more presence on rev F will make them sound exactly the same. Wait, there is a presence knob on rev F already to save You 3000 dollars
Example- IMO while I do prefer the C+ recorded, I much prefer a III+ (or a IIB+ or a IV) in the band over a C+.
Recto-wise the Rev C 100% wins at home for me with the Triple F & G not far behind, but in the live band every Recto I've used does close enough to the same thing not to matter.
GJgo
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Just for posterity, here's this same Rev C vs.
A Multiwatt
A Tremoverb-
With a few different speakers and a boost comparo-
A Multiwatt
A Tremoverb-
With a few different speakers and a boost comparo-
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Amp ho
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Racerxrated
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Yep, People that think they sound the same either have lost some hearing, which is entirely possible in this business lol, or simply don't hear the details in the tone that the rest of us do.
Which imo saves them a ton of cash, since all amps sound the same or similar enough to call it a day.
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Racerxrated
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You say this like there's something wrong with that#41 has been passed around like a cheerleader at a football party
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thegame
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Incorrect. That's like saying turning up the treble or presence will fix the effect of a cheap, signal attenuating crappy cable. You'll just get a brighter version of the comparatively more note smeared attack of the Rev F amp.Little bit more presence on rev F will make them sound exactly the same. Wait, there is a presence knob on rev F already to save You 3000 dollars
NewWorldMan
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There’s a a big difference in playing at moderate volumes in Madison Square Basement by yourself vs opening an amp up at a venue with a full band or cranking in the studio, and I don’t think we differentiate enough when making these comparisons.
There’s a lot of “in the room” difference among amps when all you hear is you in your room. I think the “not much difference” applies to the other scenarios, and the moment you start using IRs, putting boosts in front, etc…it gets minimized even more.
I don’t think Meshuggah had any trouble getting Rev Gs to sound tight with a TC in front, nor do I think the revision they used on “Chaosphere” (for example) would have mattered at all in terms of tightness and tone, given the player, the studio setting, the boost, etc. That album would sound 99% the same regardless.
There’s a lot of “in the room” difference among amps when all you hear is you in your room. I think the “not much difference” applies to the other scenarios, and the moment you start using IRs, putting boosts in front, etc…it gets minimized even more.
I don’t think Meshuggah had any trouble getting Rev Gs to sound tight with a TC in front, nor do I think the revision they used on “Chaosphere” (for example) would have mattered at all in terms of tightness and tone, given the player, the studio setting, the boost, etc. That album would sound 99% the same regardless.
Bossman415
Active member
@GJgo yes, he only mods the Red Channel and the clean channel is effected by the mod.
@GJgo when the hell is Mesa going to start sending you these new amps to demo?
You think with all the content you've put out there, they'd send the new Dual Rec your way.
GJgo
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That would be fun! I don't have enough subscribers to matter though.
If I'm being honest, the job I would want (and probably more qualified for) is Gibson CEO. I'd clean a lot of things up and get them all rowing in the same direction.
RaceU4her
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Or they could have used their valvestates and .22cals I think they were using before, which they probably would have dialed in very similar tones, and I’m sure most all of us would like chaosphere just the same. It’s is as players that trip over this shit lol
NewWorldMan
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The best observation I ever heard was from a non-musician: my wife.
After listening to me and friends talk about gear for years, swap gear, buy a million things, etc…one day she said:
“You know that you guys worry about things only a dog can hear, right?”
RaceU4her
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The best observation I ever heard was from a non-musician: my wife.
After listening to me and friends talk about gear for years, swap gear, buy a million things, etc…one day she said:
“You know that you guys worry about things only a dog can hear, right?”
ha!! well shes not wrong, but its like when they dye their hair or change lipstick to a color that needs perfect lighting and the right angle to notice or we are in big trouble, we may not see it but if shes happy about it and makes her feel good i guess thats all that really matters, same with gear