1992 Rev C vs 1993 Rev F - Both Duals

True!

But, this is why those of us that played out (35yrs; damn I'm old) will always, within the first day of ownership after checking tubes/bias etc play the amp wide open for a good amount of time, obviously to hear the amp at its best but also that would reveal any issue that it might have.
We’re not going to talk about how long we’ve been playing out. Let’s just live in denial a little while longer 😄

And totally - first thing I do is open an amp, see what’s under the hood, swap tubes, crank them up, etc. Put them through their paces as soon as they arrive. I have fun doing that, crazy as it sounds.
 
Listened back again, and I prefer the F in this clip 🤷‍♂️ It’s a more full frequency sound, as opposed to the C which got a little “hollow” sounding at times.
 
We’re not going to talk about how long we’ve been playing out. Let’s just live in denial a little while longer 😄

And totally - first thing I do is open an amp, see what’s under the hood, swap tubes, crank them up, etc. Put them through their paces as soon as they arrive. I have fun doing that, crazy as it sounds.
Yep, part of the anticipation....checking to see if the seller sent it with vintage tubes, that used to be a thing...now, they mostly know what they have.
 
I had a rev D some time ago with a rev F. I preferred the F for fullnes and bottom end. Just an awesome amp all around

I don’t think mine ‘needs’ a boost
I haven’t regularly boosted amps in a long time, unless it’s something like a 2203 that needs the gain.

And I think you’re touching on exactly why I prefer F and G to earlier revisions. I’m fortunate to own more amps than I care to admit, and I was guilty when I was younger of dialing them all in for that “one sound” that I liked and wanted. It took me years to come to terms with the fact that I was buying a bunch of amps and trying to make them all sound the same, which defeated the point of having multiple amps 😄

The Recto fills a specific sonic niche for me. I don’t want or need it to have more hair on the presence, have more attack because the lows or low mids are reduced, etc. I have other amps to do that, and those amps do it *better* anyway. The Recto for me should be huge, full frequency, bigger bass and low mids, etc. It should hit like a sledge hammer, not cut like a knife.

While I realize everyone may not have 40-50 head units laying around that run the spectrum of all tones imaginable, I’m guessing a majority of folks here have at least a small handful of amps that do different things. With that, an F or G seems like it would be an all-around better amp in general for most, but I also get it if people are chasing one specific sound.
 
True!

But, this is why those of us that played out (35yrs; damn I'm old) will always, within the first day of ownership after checking tubes/bias etc play the amp wide open for a good amount of time, obviously to hear the amp at its best but also that would reveal any issue that it might have.

I'd even say I've played at home with MUCH more volume than 90% of the gigs I've had....10% of them were festivals/outdoor shows where I could let loose a little more with volume.
The C I had, 41, was barely recognizable to the G Duals I had. Clarity, feel, push..nearly everything I value was many notches above either of the early small logo G Duals I tried and returned. Most Rectos are also 'underpowered' say vs a 2203....they don't seem to truly get to 100w vs other amps...but that C, 41, had a high vol push that was killer and seemed more along the lines of a Triple Recto than a Dual.
Maybe that's not a common thing, but 41 definitely punched harder than those other Duals I had.
This exactly. I’ve tried 4 Rev C’s total and AB’ed 3 Rev C’s with exactly the same tubes to be fair and they all did that thing. They’re just plain better than the later revisions. Those complaining that it’s too bright need to play amps that actually are bright next to it like ‘70’s Marshall’s. Does the Rev C still sound bright now? No, it’s thick, dark and chewy, any version I’ve played regardless of variation from amp to amp
 
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I haven’t regularly boosted amps in a long time, unless it’s something like a 2203 that needs the gain.

And I think you’re touching on exactly why I prefer F and G to earlier revisions. I’m fortunate to own more amps than I care to admit, and I was guilty when I was younger of dialing them all in for that “one sound” that I liked and wanted. It took me years to come to terms with the fact that I was buying a bunch of amps and trying to make them all sound the same, which defeated the point of having multiple amps 😄

The Recto fills a specific sonic niche for me. I don’t want or need it to have more hair on the presence, have more attack because the lows or low mids are reduced, etc. I have other amps to do that, and those amps do it *better* anyway. The Recto for me should be huge, full frequency, bigger bass and low mids, etc. It should hit like a sledge hammer, not cut like a knife.

While I realize everyone may not have 40-50 head units laying around that run the spectrum of all tones imaginable, I’m guessing a majority of folks here have at least a small handful of amps that do different things. With that, an F or G seems like it would be an all-around better amp in general for most, but I also get it if people are chasing one specific sound.
I have a similar amount of amps and also have my keepers based on niches, but find the real niche of Recto’s to be that throaty growl on the orange ch. That’s what they do that I could never match with other amps besides the Lenz High Octane and IME all the Rev C’s I’ve played just have the most aggressive version of that distinctive growl. While they also really excel in huge bass, low mids and hitting like a sledgehammer, I found any recto in those departments when AB’ed still loses every time to my Rev 1 Uber (fattest low mid amp I’ve played) and ‘97 Blueface, so what they really do (for me at least) that other amps can’t match as the niche is the orange ch growl. Just my opinion of course

One of my friends here commented after AB’ing a Rev 2 Uber to his recto that it made it sound like a Marshall in comparison lol with its thickness and I found the same IME
 
I have a similar amount of amps and also have my keepers based on niches, but find the real niche of Recto’s to be that throaty growl on the orange ch. That’s what they do that I could never match with other amps besides the Lenz High Octane and IME all the Rev C’s I’ve played just have the most aggressive version of that distinctive growl. While they also really excel in huge bass, low mids and hitting like a sledgehammer, I found any recto in those departments when AB’ed still loses every time to my Rev 1 Uber (fattest low mid amp I’ve played) and ‘97 Blueface, so what they really do (for me at least) that other amps can’t match as the niche is the orange ch growl. Just my opinion of course

One of my friends here commented after AB’ing a Rev 2 Uber to his recto that it made it sound like a Marshall in comparison lol with its thickness and I found the same IME
We obviously have very different tastes in tones, because I’ve hated every ‘90s VH4 I played. With a passion 😄 Nor has any Rev 1 Uber done for me what Rectos do.

I use Channel 2 Modern Red, though, not Channel 1 Orange. Just comes down user preference. Take Tremonti for example. He’s got 3 old Rectos of mine at least (Rev D, F, G). Offered him George Lynch’s old Rev C when I had it, but F is where it is for him. He’s also a Channel 2 Modern Red user, though.
 
We obviously have very different tastes in tones, because I’ve hated every ‘90s VH4 I played. With a passion 😄 Nor has any Rev 1 Uber done for me what Rectos do.

I use Channel 2 Modern Red, though, not Channel 1 Orange. Just comes down user preference. Take Tremonti for example. He’s got 3 old Rectos of mine at least (Rev D, F, G). Offered him George Lynch’s old Rev C when I had it, but F is where it is for him. He’s also a Channel 2 Modern Red user, though.
Yeah different tastes for sure. The Rev 1 Uber’s definitely don’t do what I love about Recto’s, but if we’re talking just low end, fat low mids, overall power and brutality it’s no contest when I AB them and I’d think I could say there’s possibly some objectivity to it as this Rev 1 measured 540 for plate voltage vs 490 for the C’s I had. Others I had measured lower, but in the 500’s still. The Blueface has a similar plate voltage, but I’m not a technical guy at all. All I know is they both made any recto I had sound small when AB’ed, but they don’t have the throaty growl or rawness I love about Recto’s nor its overall American flavor to its gain structure

I always found the red ch to sound too smooth and bland. I want that growl and texture/more interesting tone. Tremonti in general has very strange taste. I know a guy that’s friends with him who let him try his real train wreck and a few other very epic unicorn level amps and Tremonti hated all of them lol

If I used the red ch though the Rev C’s wouldn’t necessarily be my favorite revision, so maybe that could also be some part of the disagreement
 
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