33 Americans dead and ____# taken hostage by the Hamas

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@Stripped Rights

Curious as to why you think this is funny :dunno:

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Stripped laughs at ALL deaths of adults and children , he always has .

It's the only thing he does , he contributes absolutely nothing, ever.
 
By reading NON MAINSTREAM news that's how.

It was covered in detail late last night that the explosion came from a failed Hamas rocket . If you only read the mainstream they will report it was Israel's fault .
Okay. Link me please.
 
What I mean is I'm not going to go out of my way to find it . The below should help and I didn't have to search to find them.
You didn't provide anything, other than people asserting that it wasn't IDF, including the IDF themselves, with no other evidence. Hopefully you understand mindlessly parroting NON MAINSTREAM news is as stupid as mindless parroting MAINSTREAM news.
 
If you want to dispute it, fine, but evidence is needed to support the claim that this was a misfire or some kind of false flag.
 
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If you want to dispute it, fine, but evidence is needed to support the claim that this was a misfire or some kind of false flag.
@ccn has a reputation of providing references and resource links with his 'news' posts. Therefore, I for one am willing to give him a break. That, and I think he is burned out on proving links to other news sources, only to have those sources dismissed. I think it is fairly common knowledge by now that this missal was launched from a terrorist and the missal quickly fell back to earth and landed on this hospital (or similar - facts are still coming in)

Not really taking sides here but the MM often jumps to conclusions without verifying. That is @ccn 's main point to most of his posts :dunno:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061

Live footage from the Al-Jazeera media network aired at 18:59 local time showed a bright light rising in the skies above Gaza. It flashes twice before drastically changing direction, and it then explodes.

An explosion is then seen on the ground far away, followed by a much larger explosion closer to the camera operator, which the BBC has geolocated.

Some commentators have suggested it is from a rocket which appears to explode or disintegrate.

So far, the findings are inconclusive. Three experts we spoke to say it is not consistent with what you would expect from a typical Israeli air strike with a large munition.

J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the ground explosions appeared to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.

Justin Bronk, senior research fellow at the UK-based Royal United Services Institute, agrees. While it is difficult to be sure at such an early stage, he says, the evidence looks like the explosion was caused by a failed rocket section hitting the car park and causing a fuel and propellant fire.
 
@ccn has a reputation of providing references and resource links with his 'news' posts. Therefore, I for one am willing to give him a break. That, and I think he is burned out on proving links to other news sources, only to have those sources dismissed. I think it is fairly common knowledge by now that this missal was launched from a terrorist and the missal quickly fell back to earth and landed on this hospital (or similar - facts are still coming in)

Not really taking sides here but the MM often jumps to conclusions without verifying. That is @ccn 's main point to most of his posts :dunno:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67144061
Thanks. My gripe is that he’s doing the same thing as the MSM he criticizes — making conclusive statements about contentious issues without real argument or justification simply to support a biased narrative.

It could be that the hospital yard was hit by a misfired Hamas missile. I’m skeptical of the claim, and only see limited, speculative evidence to support it. A rocket exploded in the air and then hit a courtyard where hundreds of people happened to be gathered?! And when did Hamas start getting such powerful weapons? I don’t think they’ve ever managed to kill more than a few people at a time with their missiles.

On the other hand, Israel has the capability and has shown itself ready to attack civilians in this war. I believe they’ve hit this hospital before. And they didn’t deny it until it became source of international consternation.
 
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I think it is fairly common knowledge by now that this missal was launched from a terrorist and the missal quickly fell back to earth and landed on this hospital (or similar - facts are still coming in)
And please remember, even if the intelligence agencies, MSM and IDF report it as “Confirmed,” and it becomes “Accepted,” that doesn’t mean it’s true! We need evidence and independent verification or admission by Hamas.
 
Thanks. My gripe is that he’s doing the same thing as the MSM he criticizes — making conclusive statements about contentious issues without real argument or justification simply to support a biased narrative.

It could be that the hospital yard was hit by a misfired Hamas missile. I’m skeptical of the claim, and only see limited, speculative evidence to support it. A rocket exploded in the air and then hit a courtyard where hundreds of people happened to be gathered?! And when did Hamas start getting such powerful weapons? I don’t think they’ve ever managed to kill more than a few people at a time with their missiles.

On the other hand, Israel has the capability and has shown itself ready to attack civilians in this war. I believe they’ve hit this hospital before. And they didn’t deny it until it became source of international consternation.
That's cool man. I get it. Just remember, if you are going to accuse someone of not providing proof (links), be prepared to provide proof yourself :cheers:

Multiple experts have come forward since that video was released of the (hospital) explosion stating that it was obvious (to them) that a rocket went up and malfunctioned and quickly came back to earth (with a lot of fuel onboard).

I hate arguing about this stuff, especially this war, so don't be surprised if I don't continue the dialog. I will only update the thread title as needed, despite the fact that I hate doing it :(
 
That's cool man. I get it. Just remember, if you are going to accuse someone of not providing proof (links), be prepared to provide proof yourself :cheers:

Multiple experts have come forward since that video was released of the (hospital) explosion stating that it was obvious (to them) that a rocket went up and malfunctioned and quickly came back to earth (with a lot of fuel onboard).

I hate arguing about this stuff, especially this war, so don't be surprised if I don't continue the dialog. I will only update the thread title as needed, despite the fact that I hate doing it :(
I don’t have proof of anything, but I’m including evidence for my claims. And even if it was conclusively determined that it was a Palestinian missile, that doesn't change the fact that the Israeli air strikes have killed thousands, mostly civilians, and displaced a million more. I don't understand why people seem to think that shifting responsibility for the hospital event would change that.

“14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication”
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupi...ed-palestinian-territories-12-15-october-2023

“The hospital was one of 20 in the north of the Gaza Strip facing evacuation orders from the Israeli military.”
https://www.who.int/news/item/17-10...-hospital-and-reported-large-scale-casualties

“4,200 people killed, over one million people displaced in just 10 days – OHCHR briefing”
https://www.un.org/unispal/document...ple-displaced-in-just-10-days-ohchr-briefing/

B'Tselem’s research indicates that, from June 2004 to 23 July 2014, 26 Israeli civilians (four of them minors) and two foreign nationals were killed in Israel by Palestinian rocket and mortar fire.
https://web.archive.org/web/2014091...em.org/israeli_civilians/qassam_missiles#data
 
@Stripped Rights

Curious as to why you think this is funny :dunno:

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It must be a post by @ccn, @Picasso, @JackTheBear, or @PLX. I laugh at EVERY one of their posts no matter what it's content because I think they are pathetic people that I can't take seriously. PLX was just promoted to that position within the last week or so.
 
That's cool man. I get it. Just remember, if you are going to accuse someone of not providing proof (links), be prepared to provide proof yourself :cheers:

Multiple experts have come forward since that video was released of the (hospital) explosion stating that it was obvious (to them) that a rocket went up and malfunctioned and quickly came back to earth (with a lot of fuel onboard).

I hate arguing about this stuff, especially this war, so don't be surprised if I don't continue the dialog. I will only update the thread title as needed, despite the fact that I hate doing it :(
I don’t have proof of anything, but I’m including evidence for my claims. And even if it was conclusively determined that it was a Palestinian missile, does that change the fact that the Israeli air strikes have killed thousands, mostly civilians, and displaced a million more?

“14 October 2023: In Gaza city city and governorate, Ahli Arab Hospital was hit by Israeli airstrikes, partially damaging two floors and damaging the ultrasound and mammography room. Four people were injured. Sources: Al Jazeera V and Personal Communication”

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupi...ed-palestinian-territories-12-15-october-2023

“The hospital was one of 20 in the north of the Gaza Strip facing evacuation orders from the Israeli military.”

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-10...-hospital-and-reported-large-scale-casualties

“4,200 people killed, over one million people displaced in just 10 days – OHCHR briefing”

https://www.un.org/unispal/document...ple-displaced-in-just-10-days-ohchr-briefing/
 
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Here’s video footage. I’ll just say it’s a remarkable coincidence that a misfired missile would hit a densely packed target in this manner, and one which had apparently previously received evacuation orders. Also, to clarify, it hit the courtyard, which is where everyone had gathered. Go figure.

 
@denialist Israel was attacked :dunno: They fought back :dunno:
I'm not really even taking sides. The religious differences in the MidEast are such that these conflicts will probably never go away.
 
It must be a post by @ccn, @Picasso, @JackTheBear, or @PLX. I laugh at EVERY one of their posts no matter what it's content because I think they are pathetic people that I can't take seriously. PLX was just promoted to that position within the last week or so.
Well. You obviously have extra time on your hands :lol: Far be it of me to tell you to stop.
 
Well. You obviously have extra time on your hands :LOL: Far be it of me to tell you to stop.
Well it's only in OTC and I read every thread here. It's no different than liking a post IMO. It really doesn't add up to much time (especially since according to the other place I have 16-20 hours a day to make it look like there's actually some traffic here :LOL: ). I might actually demote PLX and ccn soon. They've been pretty normal lately. Let's see if they can keep it that way........
 
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