About to turn this thing in for the first time. Reissue Recto

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Bram576 said:
both channels are great. Saying that some very iconic guitarists have shitty taste and like sterile amps… what? lol come on man
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Well to be fair it’s not half as sterile as the other amps I mentioned lol, just sterile vs the orange ch. My guess is maybe for what they played they needed the tighter red ch to work better for them functionally, but most of these bands listed that used the red ch don’t have tones that do much for me, but of course love some of their actual musical ideas

And I don’t care what gear other guys use. I don’t pay attention to it. Many of my favorite iconic guitarists/bands had tone I didn’t like at all, but love them for their musical ideas and playing. I know how to separate the 2. There are also bands that have to me killer tone but no interesting musical ideas of playing. So yes, sorry, as far as I’m concerned some of my all time favorite guitarists had bad taste in tone, but are awesome players/musicians
 
DanTravis62 said:
I don't think it's really an accusation of "shitty taste" as much as "different taste" - not everyone is going to worship at the altar of the same guitarists and tones :dunno: I think CC is super overrated and they're just not my thing, music or tonewise.

I'm definitely in the camp that doesn't care for a lot of ultra modern sounding high gainers as well, sterile or anodyne is just the best way to describe the reasons people have for not digging that sound. I haven't played an UU, but I would definitely put the Revv Generator and a few others i've played into that camp.
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Revvs are dog shit for sure lol. Trying to be something else on all channels.

I totally get that style of music is not everyone’s deal at all in the slightest.

But saying that anyone who enjoys the red channel on the recto enjoys sterile lifeless amps is a wild statement, when some of the most iconic guitarists of our time, in my opinion, have used it. I mean unless Fredrick thordendal and all these guys are hacks lol.
 
Bram576 said:
If you can get a TC style to use with it, it’s the way to go.

Also if it is an old 2 channel recto, on the back make sure if it’s on orange to modern that when you toggle to the red channel put it back in the normal setting. If you mess around with the vintage I can’t remember both presence controls affect it. Diodes always.
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Klon is my go to, but for tightness and attack my Peace Hill SSS and ODS smoke my actual vintage TC at it own game and not tonally sterile like my TC. Only problem is they’re very noisy, so I have to manage that
 
DanTravis62 said:
I don't think it's really an accusation of "shitty taste" as much as "different taste" - not everyone is going to worship at the altar of the same guitarists and tones :dunno: I think CC is super overrated and they're just not my thing, music or tonewise.

I'm definitely in the camp that doesn't care for a lot of ultra modern sounding high gainers as well, sterile or anodyne is just the best way to describe the reasons people have for not digging that sound. I haven't played an UU, but I would definitely put the Revv Generator and a few others i've played into that camp.
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It’s hard for me to put all of it in words, but I find this sort of filtered quality to the sound of the UU and other such amps has in some ways an effect to me of actually coming off less aggressive, ballsy of a sound, less impactful despite the amp technically being very punchy and powerful. What I’m saying may not make sense lol. Hard for me to explain and the coffee hasn’t fully kicked in yet lol
 
Bram576 said:
Revvs are dog shit for sure lol. Trying to be something else on all channels.

I totally get that style of music is not everyone’s deal at all in the slightest.

But saying that anyone who enjoys the red channel on the recto enjoys sterile lifeless amps is a wild statement, when some of the most iconic guitarists of our time, in my opinion, have used it. I mean unless Fredrick thordendal and all these guys are hacks lol.
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Meshuggah is one of my all time favorite metal bands, but not for tone, for their music. I’m seeing them next month. I mean sterile vs the orange ch, but I also understand why that channel is not at all suited to what they do
 
Bram576 said:
So, can you show us one of your micd up tones then?
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I will and pm you when I have some, but as I’ve said it’s not a priority for me (I find it a real chore and suck at it) and also with how they may turn out may not represent it well, but will see what I can do
 
Bram576 said:
Revvs are dog shit for sure lol. Trying to be something else on all channels.

I totally get that style of music is not everyone’s deal at all in the slightest.

But saying that anyone who enjoys the red channel on the recto enjoys sterile lifeless amps is a wild statement, when some of the most iconic guitarists of our time, in my opinion, have used it. I mean unless Fredrick thordendal and all these guys are hacks lol.
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I don't like Meshuggah either :eek:

as someone who's been into guitar and the european metal scene for like 30 years, it's really weird having bands I consider to be "the b team" are now like the most famous metal bands in the world :hys:

I think sam is just saying that it's sterile in comparison to some other high gain tones, which I don't think is a wild statement at all? It just seems like a "WELL KISS HAS SOLD 2489 TRILLION RECORDS SO THAT MEANS EVERYONE NEEDS TO LIKE THEIR GUITAR TONE" argument, which I don't get

It's just a comparative statement that needs to be understood in context

So like, for example, most people wouldn't say a jcm800 is sterile, but maybe in comparison to a dumble ODS it sounds sterile in comparison?
 
DanTravis62 said:
I don't like Meshuggah either :eek:

as someone who's been into guitar and the european metal scene for like 30 years, it's really weird having bands I consider to be "the b team" are now like the most famous metal bands in the world :hys:

I think sam is just saying that it's sterile in comparison to some other high gain tones, which I don't think is a wild statement at all? It just seems like a "WELL KISS HAS SOLD 2489 TRILLION RECORDS SO THAT MEANS EVERYONE NEEDS TO LIKE THEIR GUITAR TONE" argument, which I don't get

It's just a comparative statement that needs to be understood in context

So like, for example, most people wouldn't say a jcm800 is sterile, but maybe in comparison to a dumble ODS it sounds sterile in comparison?
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This is exactly what I mean. Thanks for explaining it well. I’ve grown to love Meshuggah, but I appreciate almost all styles of rock and metal as long as I feel the quality is there in ideas
 
Bram576 said:
If you can get a TC style to use with it, it’s the way to go.

Also if it is an old 2 channel recto, on the back make sure if it’s on orange to modern that when you toggle to the red channel put it back in the normal setting. If you mess around with the vintage I can’t remember both presence controls affect it. Diodes always.
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It is the reissue
 
braintheory said:
It’s hard for me to put all of it in words, but I find this sort of filtered quality to the sound of the UU and other such amps has in some ways an effect to me of actually coming off less aggressive, ballsy of a sound, less impactful despite the amp technically being very punchy and powerful. What I’m saying may not make sense lol. Hard for me to explain and the coffee hasn’t fully kicked in yet lol
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I didnt find the UU sterile, but i will play one saturday again and see....before i get too drunk. I remember liking it a lot and being surprised
 
DanTravis62 said:
I don't like Meshuggah either :eek:

as someone who's been into guitar and the european metal scene for like 30 years, it's really weird having bands I consider to be "the b team" are now like the most famous metal bands in the world :hys:

I think sam is just saying that it's sterile in comparison to some other high gain tones, which I don't think is a wild statement at all? It just seems like a "WELL KISS HAS SOLD 2489 TRILLION RECORDS SO THAT MEANS EVERYONE NEEDS TO LIKE THEIR GUITAR TONE" argument, which I don't get

It's just a comparative statement that needs to be understood in context

So like, for example, most people wouldn't say a jcm800 is sterile, but maybe in comparison to a dumble ODS it sounds sterile in comparison?
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Dan...we are friends. But dont compare meshuggah to Kiss goddamn it!

Meshuggah may not be for everyone, but they are infinitely more talented than that rip off ac/dc band
 
Smash said:
Dan...we are friends. But dont compare meshuggah to Kiss goddamn it!

Meshuggah may not be for everyone, but they are infinitely more talented than that rip off ac/dc band
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:ROFLMAO:I just meant that I don't buy the "thing A is popular therefore thing A is good" logic

In fact, lots of the time, it's the opposite. It certainly isn't always the case, 5150s are popular for a reason of course. But lots of things that everyone likes, I can't stand :dunno:
 
I’ve always liked Orange Modern more than the Red Modern. I don’t dislike Red, but Orange speaks to me more, mostly for reasons already talked about in the thread.

But I’ve heard so many great tones from people using the Red channel that I just figured the two channels are probably more suited to different guitars / pickups / cabs / speakers / mics, etc. I don’t think Randall designed the amp to do that on purpose or anything like that, but it seems to be how things have worked out.
 
Smash said:
Dan...we are friends. But dont compare meshuggah to Kiss goddamn it!

Meshuggah may not be for everyone, but they are infinitely more talented than that rip off ac/dc band
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Damn right! KISS fucking blows.
 
This stuff is completely subjective. I don't like most professional guitarist sound. For me that is. What works for them is not always best for me.

I understand when these guys say sterile or filter. I played on most of the amps they are talking about and agree. But I do like some of those sounds.

Most of my friends prefer Orange. Red is usually my preference. I did use Orange most of the time for several years and went back to Red a few years ago.

I definitely use less gain than most people here. My band plays a bit of everything. Metal and rock in general is only a small part of it. Country, Hip Hop, Rap, Pop, Kpop, Funk, R&B, Classical, Jazz and dozens of others are all a influence on what we do.
The Red mode isn't always the best fit.
I don't always want tight. Tight is only good for certain types of sounds.

I do plan on plugging in the Ibanez PTEQ in the loop of the Triple Rectifier G. Few overdrives and a gate. Definitely want to see where that goes.

Regardless of the gear used I dial in the same types of sounds I have been using for decades.
 
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