Are we just, not gonna talk about the Rev F Dual rec Reissue or???

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TheGreatGreen said:
A rotary knob that went from Rev C, D, E, F, G would be pretty great, yeah.

I have no idea what the differences between the circuits were and if that's even possible, but if it was I think that could pretty much lock in the vintage Recto enthusiast market if it actually worked.
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That would be cool. Someone like @braintheory, @glpg80 and @GJgo or the like would probably know. I believe the essential circuit is the same it is just minor changes to some components. For example I recently had the "Pre 500" mod done to my Rev G to tighten things up. Can't say it is C like but it was not that big of swap. Basically swap the gain pot to 1Ma and then also swap the associated caps to .005uF. In otherwords, change some values on the components at the Gain knob.
 
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pipboy90 said:
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the differences between all of the 2-channel revisions were small tweaks in the preamp.
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Every revision after C progressively got looser, more lows, lower mid voiced, and less open and aggressive in the highs.
 
I honestly want to mod a rev C dual rectifier into a rev C triple rectifier using multi-watt triple rectifier transformers. Just straight up go Frankenstein fucked on someone’s rev C dual rec and build a badass one-off. A rev C triple rec prototype running all KT77’s would probably sound nuts.
 
If I were Mesa I’d just make a one ch orange mode Rev C reissue and maybe have a toggle switch for the lower serial number versions that sound a little tighter, brighter, more mark-esque and the later serial C’s that just sound like much better Recto’s. There really is no need as far as I’m concerned for the versions that came after the Rev C
 
braintheory said:
If I were Mesa I’d just make a one ch orange mode Rev C reissue and maybe have a toggle switch for the lower serial number versions that sound a little tighter, brighter, more mark-esque and the later serial C’s that just sound like much better Recto’s. There really is no need as far as I’m concerned for the versions that came after the Rev C
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... make mine a one channel Red Modern amp. No extra channels, modes, switching, no recto tubes.
 
I never liked the brighter Rectifier amps. I just prefer the darker sound of the later revisions. They just sound bigger to me and less annoying in the highs.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
A rotary knob that went from Rev C, D, E, F, G would be pretty great, yeah.

I have no idea what the differences between the circuits were or if that's even possible, but if it was I think that could pretty much lock in the vintage Recto enthusiast market if it actually worked.
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Would be cool. I think best case scenario we get a switch between C and F. What more than likely happens is it’s just a rev f reissue. If they can get the orange channel right I’d count it as a win.

Problem on all the new era, well in the last while Mesas (starting with the mark 5), the mid range is a lot more honky, boxy, whatever you want to say, than in the past. Noticed this on the Marks, jp2c, and multi watt recto orange channel. Not sure if it was just the ears designing it or component based or what (I know fuck all about amp building).

I’ll add the multi watt red channel is VERY close to the rev f red channel. Like in a blind test I wouldn’t get it right.

Here’s an actual good clip of a rev f stock vs one with the c mod.



 
Bram576 said:
Would be cool. I think best case scenario we get a switch between C and F. What more than likely happens is it’s just a rev f reissue. If they can get the orange channel right I’d count it as a win.

Problem on all the new era, well in the last while Mesas (starting with the mark 5), the mid range is a lot more honky, boxy, whatever you want to say, than in the past. Noticed this on the Marks, jp2c, and multi watt recto orange channel. Not sure if it was just the ears designing it or component based or what (I know fuck all about amp building).

I’ll add the multi watt red channel is VERY close to the rev f red channel. Like in a blind test I wouldn’t get it right.

Here’s an actual good clip of a rev f stock vs one with the c mod.



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That's really interesting, never heard them compared back to back like that. I don't think there's one I'd prefer in every situation over the other, they're both great.

And yeah having the option for both would be killer.
 
What makes the Rev C special is similar to what makes the IIC+ special- and it's something you have to experience in the room which does not come across on the mic. The C is really its own thing. Besides, from what I've seen personally trying to compare rectos using comparo recordings isn't super useful.

I also know a number of guys, myself included, that had a G modded to either C or the flavor of the week and have all regretted it since it takes what makes a G a G away- that sound of the 90s. I think the Gs are underappreciated purely because of the (not) cool kid factor.

I also think that the MW was modeled after the F, and the Badlander was modeled after the C. So, you guys have options without modding things.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
A rotary knob that went from Rev C, D, E, F, G would be pretty great, yeah.

I have no idea what the differences between the circuits were or if that's even possible, but if it was I think that could pretty much lock in the vintage Recto enthusiast market if it actually worked.
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The difference between F and G are minor as well as the difference between C and D.
The bigger step is between D and F (or E?).
There’s a whole 30+ page thread on the boogie board discussing this.
Iirc, it includes even bypassing LDRs to get to the C specs.

Edit: changed to LDRs
 
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BesaMoogie said:
The difference between F and G are minor as well as the difference between C and D.
The bigger step is between D and F (or E?).
There’s a whole 30+ page thread on the boogie board discussing this.
Iirc, it includes even bypassing optocouplers or relays to get to the C specs.
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So in other words, there's no major differences like different transformers or anything like that, just some component swaps in the preamp?

If that's the case then yeah it doesn't seem impossible. Even if Mesa/Gibson doesn't do it, I wonder if somebody would be able to mod one.
 
GJgo said:
What makes the Rev C special is similar to what makes the IIC+ special- and it's something you have to experience in the room which does not come across on the mic. The C is really its own thing. Besides, from what I've seen personally trying to compare rectos using comparo recordings isn't super useful.

I also know a number of guys, myself included, that had a G modded to either C or the flavor of the week and have all regretted it since it takes what makes a G a G away- that sound of the 90s. I think the Gs are underappreciated purely because of the (not) cool kid factor.

I also think that the MW was modeled after the F, and the Badlander was modeled after the C. So, you guys have options without modding things.
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I don’t know what was up with your G to C modded recto. The G sounded better before. Kinda blew my mind. I still prefer the multi-watt over them all - Jason’s comparison video he did was also shocking.
 
My guess…is they also throw in the built in loadbox cab clone like the Badlander.
 
bubucci said:
Mesa boogie ... we make amp worst with every revision 🤣
G is the sound of recto and multiwatt is best of them ... change my mind 😀
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So much this. I’m still trying to process when this place became TGP for metal players. Cork sniffing internet warriors who are manic about that 5% that nobody else gives a shit about and nobody will hear on a recording or live. A fool and his/her they/them money are soon parted.
 
glpg80 said:
I don’t know what was up with your G to C modded recto. The G sounded better before. Kinda blew my mind. I still prefer the multi-watt over them all - Jason’s comparison video he did was also shocking.
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Yeah the red channel it’s very hard to tell. Orange channel though way different.
 
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