Are we just, not gonna talk about the Rev F Dual rec Reissue or???

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Bram576 said:
Yeah the red channel it’s very hard to tell. Orange channel though way different.
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....And that's the only thing to change, when you C mod another revision. Only the Orange ch is affected.
 
Bram576 said:
Didn’t appear to be the case on that clip I posted.
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Right, but this is coming straight from Mike B....only the Orange ch is affected when he mods them to C specs. Differences in the video can simply be how they are dialed, or more specifically the normal difference between 2 of the same amp.

Now, I followed the Boogie Forum instructions on a 'C mod the amp yourself' and after I was done, the Red DID sound better than before...but this is the 'unofficial' C mod from guys that deciphered the differences in Rev C to a G. Bypassing LDRs, certain resistors and changing the gain, presence pots to higher values.
 
Racerxrated said:
Right, but this is coming straight from Mike B....only the Orange ch is affected when he mods them to C specs. Differences in the video can simply be how they are dialed, or more specifically the normal difference between 2 of the same amp.

Now, I followed the Boogie Forum instructions on a 'C mod the amp yourself' and after I was done, the Red DID sound better than before...but this is the 'unofficial' C mod from guys that deciphered the differences in Rev C to a G. Bypassing LDRs, certain resistors and changing the gain, presence pots to higher values.
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Yeah it’s tough… Mike B says a lot of things lol. Not trying to bad mouth him or anything, big fan of his work and he’s a very nice guy. But I’ve literally had him tell me two opposing things about the same amp before.
 
TheGreatGreen said:
So in other words, there's no major differences like different transformers or anything like that, just some component swaps in the preamp?

If that's the case then yeah it doesn't seem impossible. Even if Mesa/Gibson doesn't do it, I wonder if somebody would be able to mod one.
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I really can`t tell. It`s the feel of the amp, that is not Recto like. While later revisions have more of this bouncing feel that is better for slow, bold and fat sounds, the RevC feels like someone is throwing a pound of meat in your face.
 
Bram576 said:
Would be cool. I think best case scenario we get a switch between C and F. What more than likely happens is it’s just a rev f reissue. If they can get the orange channel right I’d count it as a win.

Problem on all the new era, well in the last while Mesas (starting with the mark 5), the mid range is a lot more honky, boxy, whatever you want to say, than in the past. Noticed this on the Marks, jp2c, and multi watt recto orange channel. Not sure if it was just the ears designing it or component based or what (I know fuck all about amp building).

I’ll add the multi watt red channel is VERY close to the rev f red channel. Like in a blind test I wouldn’t get it right.

Here’s an actual good clip of a rev f stock vs one with the c mod.



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The marks are just a better amp imo
 
Techdeth said:
The marks are just a better amp imo
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You know, I go back and fourth on this. Marks are definitely more tweakable, but I'll A/B my Mark IV and boosted Dual Rec MW every now and then, and when you can use a boost to get control of the wild low end in the Recto's preamp, the amps get a lot closer to each other than you'd think, and frequency-wise, the Recto is usually the bigger and wider sounding amp while the Mark is just about always a bit more narrow and focused, no matter what you do with the GEQ.

Not saying one is flat out better than the other but there are some excellent tones sounds you can get from Rectos that are quite a bit harder to get out of Marks and vice versa.
 
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Techdeth said:
The marks are just a better amp imo
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I completely disagree… but that’s my taste. The mark series at this point is a bit outdated to me sound wise. Even though they’re still fun to jam on.

The recto is a timeless amp to me and will be used on albums for years to come. And has also been used on more albums than I can count, because it sounds good and sits in a mix VERY well. The only modern day band I can think of that use the mark series amps are LOG, and I’ve never enjoyed their albums from a mix stand point even though I love the songs.
 
Bram576 said:
Yeah it’s tough… Mike B says a lot of things lol. Not trying to bad mouth him or anything, big fan of his work and he’s a very nice guy. But I’ve literally had him tell me two opposing things about the same amp before.
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Same here
 
Bram576 said:
I completely disagree… but that’s my taste. The mark series at this point is a bit outdated to me sound wise. Even though they’re still fun to jam on.

The recto is a timeless amp to me and will be used on albums for years to come. And has also been used on more albums than I can count, because it sounds good and sits in a mix VERY well. The only modern day band I can think of that use the mark series amps are LOG, and I’ve never enjoyed their albums from a mix stand point even though I love the songs.
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Some of my favorite Mark tones are early Chevelle albums.
 
BesaMoogie said:
The difference between F and G are minor as well as the difference between C and D.
The bigger step is between D and F (or E?).
There’s a whole 30+ page thread on the boogie board discussing this.
Iirc, it includes even bypassing LDRs to get to the C specs.

Edit: changed to LDRs
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Did it happen to be this one? This is the one I went off of:
https://boogieforum.com/threads/want-pre500-tone-heres-how-to-get-it.58838/


TheGreatGreen said:
So in other words, there's no major differences like different transformers or anything like that, just some component swaps in the preamp?

If that's the case then yeah it doesn't seem impossible. Even if Mesa/Gibson doesn't do it, I wonder if somebody would be able to mod one.
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That's my understanding.
But mod what to what again?
 
TheGreatGreen said:
You know, I go back and fourth on this. Marks are definitely more tweakable, but I'll A/B my Mark IV and boosted Dual Rec MW every now and then, and when you can use a boost to get control of the wild low end in the Recto's preamp, the amps get a lot closer to each other than you'd think, and frequency-wise, the Recto is usually the bigger and wider sounding amp while the Mark is just about always a bit more narrow and focused, no matter what you do with the GEQ.

Not saying one is flat out better than the other but there are some excellent tones sounds you can get from Rectos that are quite a bit harder to get out of Marks and vice versa.
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I agree. Both are great and I don’t think one is better than the other. The orange ch of the early Recto’s has a very distinctive throaty growl on powerchords and low mid fatness that just isn’t in the cards for any mark amps, while the mark iic+ and other marks have the advantage in focus, clarity, density/weight to the notes and faster leadwork. I think techdeath seems to gravitate more to amps with those strengths vs growl or fatness. The iic+ and Rev C are both in my top 3 of high gain amps
 
glpg80 said:
I don’t know what was up with your G to C modded recto. The G sounded better before. Kinda blew my mind. I still prefer the multi-watt over them all - Jason’s comparison video he did was also shocking.
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He was also though iirc only demoing the red ch’s (orange is where it’s at for me) and wasn’t consistent with using the same powertube types in each amp (most had 6L6, one had EL34’s iirc). It was still a good video, but imo these are important factors that I think weren’t as clearly stated in that video
 
braintheory said:
I agree. Both are great and I don’t think one is better than the other. The orange ch of the early Recto’s has a very distinctive throaty growl on powerchords and low mid fatness that just isn’t in the cards for any mark amps, while the mark iic+ and other marks have the advantage in focus, clarity, density/weight to the notes and faster leadwork. I think techdeath seems to gravitate more to amps with those strengths vs growl or fatness. The iic+ and Rev C are both in my top 3 of high gain amps
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I still like Rectos . Actually like them a lot more lately .
 
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