Best marshall tone amp fargen? Wizard ? Suhr sl68?

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Business":5626u3x4 said:
What y'all don't understand is Wizards have Marshall tones, but they sound better than Marshalls.
They're like Marshall 2.0
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I have NO doubt that Wizards are awesome amps. But the prices they want for 'em is just too much for me to become interested in them.
 
steve_k":3jhewgb8 said:
Why not just buy a Marshall for Marshall tones?
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For me my 69 plexi is the ultimate rock tone. Problem is its just not flexible enough and they are only good for a couple sets. Once they get hot they go to mush.

My MC gives me the same tones and I can use fx without killing the sound. No mushing out later in the nite either!
 
Business":1iitmqg1 said:
The VC is just different
It controls like a Plexi and sounds like a damn good Plexi
Used to have 1987x, the VC is just that much better
+ the PPIMV (or whatever it is) on the back gives it much versatility
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yes the VC is a cool amp, not different enough for me from the MC rhythm channel to buy one.

Plus I have two really great sounding 60's plexis already. If I did not have those id probably have one too.
 
rlord1974":gyxt6an4 said:
braintheory":gyxt6an4 said:
How does the Modern Classic compare to the Modern Classic II? I heard some say the the Modern Classic is better.
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I think that's kind of like saying red is a better colour than blue. You know what I mean?

It all comes down to the listener's ears and personal preference. They are both fantastic amps.
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But what are the tonal differences between the MC1 and MCII? I thought the lead channels were supposed to be identical? That's why I was surprised to read about some people preferring the MCI.
 
Bugera 1960 infinium? cascade mod and PPIMV and volume control. Not a bad CHEAP deal!?
 
If you want a Marshall type amp that can do jtm45 and hotrodded plexi tones I don't think that there's a better amp for you then the bray 45/50. You could also just get a Marshall and or have him mod it to make it more musical at all volume levels so you don't have to blow your ears out or have to get an attenuator etc. check out his clips, his prices are better then the others you mentioned and fit the bill better for you.
 
Also, some of the amps are voiced thick or bass heavy and dark. They still have a definate Marshall tone, just a dark one. I have owned a few bogners, they sound great but I always find myself missing that Marshall crunch and cut, especially in a band situation. The Friedman is also voiced thick which sounds great but I still miss that bright crispness and have to dial the bass low to try to compensate. The wizard didn't wow me for the price, more modern then classic IMHO.
 
Up to me? BUY A MARSHALL JCM800! Or, a JVM. Soldano SLO?
 
Greazygeo":1wxgorol said:
Just get the Wizard and call it done. I had an XTC and the MC sent it on it's way.
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I've tried most of them...And the Wizard is still the best "Marshall" I have ever had the pleasure of playing.
 
angelspade":1q0ijemz said:
Greazygeo":1q0ijemz said:
Just get the Wizard and call it done. I had an XTC and the MC sent it on it's way.
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I've tried most of them...And the Wizard is still the best "Marshall" I have ever had the pleasure of playing.
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it was funny one namm show--i wanted to play the wizard and kage and ralph were so not interested--they were on the hunt for robogain!

i thought the wizard sounded great but nothing i couldn't reproduce with my mojave
 
I would seriously consider a Tophat Emplexador. Should get you very close to what you're looking for. They sound amazing and the build quality is second to none. A very classy amp.
 
Well,

Last night i tried to find some samples of Bray 45/50 and yes it s sound particulary good ! even if most of samples are in Brown sound. The grain is fat and open , a really good alternative for me

I've read that some of you find Wizard MC, ....well modern... that's what scared me... when i saw the videos. on YT. I can ear the power and the growl but extremely tight and this look like more modern amp type. Probably very useful to cut the mix with medium high gain and to clear leads but sound a little aggressiv, bright and compress for fat blues and open chord rock stuff in light crunch. But the poor qualité of theses videos it means nothing.

A lot of feedback ( and rick himself) talked about the fact that rythm channel on MCII is quite similar to VC. Maybe most of you just or user in the video go straight to the lead channel boost on .

Anyways some amps have the possibility to change voicing (more vintage or more modern for exemple) ,as MCII have a lot of options maybe some parameters can turn it into more vintage sound ?






A Single channel amp is not an issu for me, but in this case volume control must be really good.
 
Marshall YJM may be a very good Amp for Plexi and 800 type tones with Power Scaling and more available
gain ....
 
I know the YJM, good amp but i'm searching a really high end boutique . Powerscaling is not really usable as it changes your sound.

I never use the Powerscaling of my badger for exemple.

An external power attenuator is way better if need.
 
Practically, if you're thinking of buying a new Wizard without having played one: that just sounds like a bad idea. They are very expensive and the resale value is poor relative to the price new. I'm not saying the amp's new price is excessive: if you love it, then it's worth it. You can't buy a "better" amp than a Wizard, only "different" amps. But since you can't be sure whether you'll love it without playing it, there's a high risk that you'll get stuck with a MASSIVE loss selling used.
 
that's true cardinal, but same problem with all boutic amps (wizard, Metro, Bray, Fargen, Suhr SL68, ...)

Expensive, resell value poor and impossible to test by myself.

4 solutions:

- I'll ask for maximum informations on forums, listen to samples on each, chose one, "new", and hope that i'll like it
- Wait for a pre owned one(... not easy in europe or in US with international shipping) , to avoid a financial risk
- Bogner: I know the sound, I know limits and possibilities, sell value not so bad. But I tought I could find a best choice as bogner sound is not completly what i 'm searching.
- Go with a local builder for a plexi clone with a pedal board in front of the amp
 
cardinal":150c3d3t said:
Practically, if you're thinking of buying a new Wizard without having played one: that just sounds like a bad idea. They are very expensive and the resale value is poor relative to the price new. I'm not saying the amp's new price is excessive: if you love it, then it's worth it. You can't buy a "better" amp than a Wizard, only "different" amps. But since you can't be sure whether you'll love it without playing it, there's a high risk that you'll get stuck with a MASSIVE loss selling used.
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I tend to agree. And a Wizard will cost him that much more, given it will need to be shipped to Europe and he will have to pay massive VAT (tax) on the value of the amp.

Jean-Philippe, if you decide you want a Wizard, BUY USED. They are built to withstand a direct hit from a nuke, so unless you purchase from an unscupulous seller that fails to disclose an issue with the amp, you should be fine.
 
joepete77":jrfrcraz said:
If you want a Marshall type amp that can do jtm45 and hotrodded plexi tones I don't think that there's a better amp for you then the Bray 45/50.
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Hmmm. I've never played a Bray 45/50, but I have heard they are VERY bright amps (which is something the OP seems to want to avoid).

Is there any truth to this rumour? :confused:
 
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