Beware of JC986

[VC4Ever]

this was awesome!

All jokes aside I do remember ubermetaldood some time ago with similar rants. It is quite the entertaining read.

Looks like I won't be dealing with unknowns anymore as we can see what can happen.

Anyways Bump.

 

[HeftyMetalGuitar]

He did not get screwed.

The amp worked 100% for the original owner.

The amp worked 100% for me. I can post the video I made the day I packed the amp up a little later today.

I have offered to file a FedEx claim to make sure any damages can be taken care of. In the event FedEx would deny the claim, I offered to personally assist with the cost of repair.

He refused and started with all the threats. He still hasn't presented me with any proof of anything wrong with the amp or any written quote for repairs.

The day he received the amp he acknowledged it worked fine and left me good feedback.

It sounds like you're not taking any responsibility. Let me get this straight, without any fluff to blur the bottom line...

He traded you a Bogner Uberschall which works perfectly and you sent him a Lil Fokker that you claimed worked perfectly. Now you have a perfect Uberschall and he has a Lil Fokker in need of repair. Bottom line only, correct?

I see that you complained about him not giving you quote, etc..., but should he be the one doing all of that? Shouldn't you be doing all of that? It's odd that you claim the Lil Fokker was perfect yet seem to have no concern whatsoever in what Peter Diezel had to say. In the correspondence, Ubermetaldude seems to have kept you in the loop so what's to stop you from getting involved and finding out what the problem is?

I"m sorry to say but the way you responded to the guy and your lack of interest in working a solution shows your blatant guilt.

All you demonstrated so far is your willingness to bill FedEx the cost. Where on your part are YOU going to fit the expense?

Last question. Since the moderator banned that member, how are you going to make sure that he is taken care of or did you already abandon your reaponsibilities?

People who lie cannot hide it. What you say is one thing, but how the fact a add up, the way you react to certain things, and your lack of actual action proves your guilt.

So far you put blame on FedEx and him yet despite what you say, you refuse to give him his gear back, you didn't involve yourself in the repair process, and you apparently didn't send the guy any money to get an estimate, so you basically haven't done a single thing. How do you expect him to provide you a quote when it's not covered under warranty? Estimates cost money. Did you send him a shipping label to have the amp sent to a qualified tech? Did you pay for the estimate or bench fee? So tell me, while you are playing his perfect amp, how are you making sure that he has an equally functional amp?

The truth is that you haven't donebjack shit and put all the burden on your victim because you never planned to do shitnin the first place. Man you are a piece of work. People like you are the worst possible kind to deal with.

 

[Mailman1971]

I can attest to the fact that their PCBs are military grade stuff. What strikes me the most about his claim is that he didn't say there was broken tubes or loose components or even a scratch of any sort. For a single tube socket to go bad during shipping is an astronomical possibility in my opinion. Considering he made no complaints about the preamp tubes makes it that much more unlikely that it could be attributed to shipping damage.

For example, why isn't he willing to return Ubermetalguy's amp? .

Why doesn't JC986 insist that FedEx is to blame?


I guess one post that went unnoticed or perhaps ignored was fromthe moderator who apparently booted the furious OP. You would expect more objectivity than that moderator injecting his own experience as if in defense of 9C986. What the connection between the moderator and JC986 is I don't know, but if he is going to ban a member then it's probably best to refrain from offering opinions that might influence some people. One could question the motive since that moderator just got rid of JC986's problem.


I have been in similar situations before on both ends and I've never seen an honest trader so quick to wash his hands in a situation like that. Ubermetalguy might be the forum's biggest deal but someone worthy of hate is a guy who steals, and that's exactly what it looks like JC986 did. From my perspective it looks like Ubermetalguy pulled through their deal very satisfactorily and JC986 did not.

It seems rather cruel and unjust to scrub him in and block his access to a resolution from a problem another member of this forum caused. I'm not sayinUbermetalguy to like Ubermetalguy but it really bothers me that such a blatant trade violation by JC986 slips by.
JC986 has some tough questions to answer and in my opinion should show some integrity in this situation and give the guy his gear back. In the least HE should be the one taking care of the repairs instead of making the other guy troubleshoot, get parts and quotes, excetera.

There's my opinion popular or not but fair.

1) Ok...lets see....your an expert on shipping things. I have 25 years of doing it working in the Postal Service. You?
2) JC did INSIST that Fed Ex caused damage. (Go back and re read the thread)
3) Uber got booted for threatening other forum members after he was warned. You think that threatening is fine?
There are solutions to handle damage. Once again...(INSERT FACE PALM HERE)
its called INSURANCE!!! And yes there was insurance on the parcel. Uber didnt want to go thru the steps. Called it a Fed Ex Scam.
Next?

 

[squank]

I'm interested in your connection to JC986. Why do you defend him when as a moderator you should be more objective? Furthermore, it seems to have already been established by that there was no shipping damage. Don't you think you are missing the point that if the recipient had any reason to believe there was mishandling he would have mentioned it after unboxing?

I'm sorry but this activist and biased moderation is a huge reason why trade has gone down hill on other forums. I think you need to step back and leave your opinions out of it unless you are willing to apply them equally to both sides. So far, I've seen you defend the perpetrator yet ban the victim and still inject capitalized opinions after the fact.

You should keep in mind that Ubermetalguy honored his side of the bargain. It's not like Ubermetalguy is the one in question here. If JC986 put a working amp in his hands then this thread would never be. Think about that.

This guy has to be a shill for Ubermetaldood. Assuming he's not, I have to respond.

Dude, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You really need to try to figure out what's going on before you jump in. Otherwise you just look like a clueless idiot.

When you join a forum it takes a while to get to know the personalities - something you clearly haven't done.

You claim Mailman is conducting biased moderating - but again, you don't know WTF you are talking about. I (and others here) know him FROM OUR EXPERIENCE to be a mellow, evenhanded guy and mod. He didn't give Ubermetaldood a time out for complaining about a deal. He gave him a break for bullying other forum members - something he has done MANY times in the past.

Like I said, jumping in the middle of an neighborhood squabble without learning the backstory just shows your ignorance of the situation.

I've been buying and selling amps from forum guys (here and elsewhere) for 15 years, and EXPERIENCE has shown me that sometimes amps get damaged without showing it on the outside. In fact, the best packing jobs (those that surround and cushion the amp all the way around, instead of just the corners), actually protect the box from showing potential abuse. You could drop an amp I pack from 6 feet high, and as long as it lands flat on one side, the box is not going to show any obvious damage. But the amp will likely suffer damage.

Now, I don't claim to know what happened here. But it's definitely possible the damage could have occurred during shipping. People with more experience doing this than you have will attest to that fact. The biggest problem with ubermetaldood, and it's been this way since he first showed up here, is that he is rude, accusatory, short tempered, and simply not trustworthy IN MY OPINION. There are other threads like this on Rig Talk where he calls everyone on the thread names and threatens them if they don't agree with him. Just do a search. Inform yourself.

 

[Mailman1971]

Man this is getting legendary....almost with Pete and the Sixstring thread.
Where Sixstring was kicking ass across the USA. Leg Sweeping in style!

 

[squank]

Man this is getting legendary....almost with Pete and the Sixstring thread.
Where Sixstring was kicking ass across the USA. Leg Sweeping in style!

SWEEP THE LEG!

 

[Mailman1971]

Man this is getting legendary....almost with Pete and the Sixstring thread.
Where Sixstring was kicking ass across the USA. Leg Sweeping in style!

SWEEP THE LEG!

 

[HeftyMetalGuitar]

Exactly! Just be willing to work with people instead of threatening them. Goes alot further.
I have had some bad transactions in the many many MANY ones I have done..
But you just work them out. I coughed up some cash several times to make piece and vice versa. When you 'know' your dealing with a hot head no listen person.....its a tough call.
But Like I know and have said that "INSURANCE IS PURCHASED FOR LOSS OR DAMAGE"
Not that hard. If someone is unwilling to work with a insurance claim......well then thats their fault.
I was a Claims clerk for several years with the Postal Service. It is a pain in the ass. But bitching and whining about it does absolutely nothing to fix the problem.
Wish both these guys the best of luck on solving this. But it is not one guys fault when one side is willing to work it .

I'm interested in your connection to JC986. Why do you defend him when as a moderator you should be more objective? Furthermore, it seems to have already been established by that there was no shipping damage. Don't you think you are missing the point that if the recipient had any reason to believe there was mishandling he would have mentioned it after unboxing?

I'm sorry but this activist and biased moderation is a huge reason why trade has gone down hill on other forums. I think you need to step back and leave your opinions out of it unless you are willing to apply them equally to both sides. So far, I've seen you defend the perpetrator yet ban the victim and still inject capitalized opinions after the fact.

You should keep in mind that Ubermetalguy honored his side of the bargain. It's not like Ubermetalguy is the one in question here. If JC986 put a working amp in his hands then this thread would never be. Think about that.

You dont seem to get it. It could of happened to either side.
What if Ubers amp was dysfunctional when JC got it and said fuck you I want my amp back?
That again is why people buy insurance. How many times you need to hear this?
I really doubt ANYONE here would do a bogus transaction 'to get over' on another member. When all we got is our name and reputation here why you think someone would tarnish it over a amp?
I am not defending anyone here. Dont start shit ok?

Hey buddy, you can project what-if's all day, but what if's aren't reality. The truth is that you don't know what he would have done if things happened the other way.

We are dealing with facts here and not what-if's, and the facts are that Ubermetalguy traded JC986 a perfect amp and Ubermetalguy got an amp fromJC986 that needs repair.

You have a lot of negative stuff to say about the guy but why are you putting him on trial when he kept his end of the deal perfectly well? Sorry but no one with common sense is buying that you are being impartial.

What you are doing as a moderator is disgraceful and threatens the trust of every member of the forum.

The poor damned guy has made a pretty good case that he got a bad trade deal from JC986 and his actions, despite the way he carries himself, have shown nothing other than a commitment to good trade. I'm quite surprised that you aren't trying to help him! Instead, you are defending the other guy. You got rid of that poor guy before he even had a chance to resolve his trade issue.

That trade occurred on this forum and some people are casting dispersions against him based on their dislike rather than the facts. This is very alarming as you have shown that a person with the right connections can get away with crime against other members. A I know is I am glad I found this because I will never trade here.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Not going to take sides, but I offer this for thought.

1) I hate UPS, they've broken/damaged more shipments to me than any other carrier. Current damage to total shipments ratio is 27 out of 35. Scary, huh? Must have been that small claims suit I won against them 9 years ago.

2) I use Fedex Ground and pack pretty well. A local client orders an H75 65w speaker, which weighs 12 lbs packed. He gets it, the frame is bent in two places, the box is dinged up. It went 40 miles. I send him a replacement, same packing, same speaker, etc. That one gets there fine two days later. He orders 2 more speakers, they get there fine.

3) I file a damage claim for the 1st damaged H75. It gets denied due to insufficient packing. Yeah, I showed them the replacement tracking #, and the other shipments that all got there in one piece, they didn't budge. I was going to fight it out with them on principle but got tossed in the hospital for 10 days in January and my window to refile was over.

Moral of the story, sometimes shit happens in shipping you can't explain...or prove.

The amp seller says he offered to do a damage claim. Fine. Buyer sends him pics of the box, inner box, damaged goods/PCB board, etc to file with the claim, then they wait 2-3 weeks for an answer, assuming they have a repair estimate. I did all that for my client, he sent me pics. I still lost out. He got a replacement speaker, client is happy and ordered more speakers.

In a single transaction deal for $2000, though, it had better be insured, packed for a catapult launch, and the seller better do the paperwork.

With that said, if the buyer is a dick, doesn't get an estimate, or pics, the seller can't file the claim.

There's my 11 years of Fedex damage claim experience in a nutshell. uberdood and jc need to communicate without threats, posted addresses and frigging common sense. Grow the fuck up, or take it off the forum and meet on the golf course already.

Sheesh.

No wonder I don't frequent this forum much anymore. I've got enough business/health drama in my life to read up on this type of unreasonable posting crap.

 

[Mailman1971]

What you are doing as a moderator is disgraceful and threatens the trust of every member of the forum.

I have no idea how I will ever live with myself.

The board is looking for another moderator. Why dont you join up and show us how its all done?

Nah....its better you just give your opinion.
I have no opinion here. You dont even know what your talking about.
I hate everyone.

 

[Mailman1971]

Not going to take sides, but I offer this for thought.

1) I hate UPS, they've broken/damaged more shipments to me than any other carrier. Current damage to total shipments ratio is 27 out of 35. Scary, huh? Must have been that small claims suit I won against them 9 years ago.

2) I use Fedex Ground and pack pretty well. A local client orders an H75 65w speaker, which weighs 12 lbs packed. He gets it, the frame is bent in two places, the box is dinged up. It went 40 miles. I send him a replacement, same packing, same speaker, etc. That one gets there fine two days later. He orders 2 more speakers, they get there fine.

3) I file a damage claim for the 1st damaged H75. It gets denied due to insufficient packing. Yeah, I showed them the replacement tracking #, and the other shipments that all go there in one piece, they didn't budge. I was going to fight it out with them on principle but got tossed in the hospital for 10 days in January and my window to refile was over.

Moral of the story, sometimes shit happens in shipping you can't explain...or prove.

The seller says he offered to do a damage claim. Fine. Buyer sends him pics of the box, inner box, damaged goods to file with the claim, then they wait 2-3 weeks for an answer, assuming they have a repair estimate. I did all that for my client, he sent me pics. I still lost out. He got a replacement speaker, client is happy and ordered more speakers.

In a single transaction deal for $2000, though, it had better be insured, packed for a catapult launch, and the seller better do the paperwork.

With that said, if the buyer is a dick, doesn't get an estimate, or pics, the seller can't file the claim.

There's my 11 years of Fedex damage claim experience in a nutshell. uberdood and jc need to communicate without threats, posted addresses and frigging common sense. Grow the fuck up, or take it off the forum and meet on the golf course already.

Sheesh.

No wonder I don't frequent this forum much anymore. I've got enough business/health drama in my life to read up on this type of unreasonable posting crap.

Jim....please dont Muddy this thread up with common sense.

 

[Scumback Speakers]

Jim....please dont Muddy this thread up with common sense.

Sorry. Every once in awhile the meds wear off and then I start typing that kind of stuff. Want me to delete it?

 

[Mailman1971]

Jim....please dont Muddy this thread up with common sense.

Sorry. Every once in awhile the meds wear off and then I start typing that kind of stuff. Want me to delete it?

hahaha! Well what you said just threatens the trust of every member of the forum.
I might have to hire a lawyer cause I got sand in my Vagina.

 

[paulyc]

Jesus ! I stuck up for you man !!! Don't be hatin' ! lol

 

[Mailman1971]

Jesus ! I stuck up for you man !!! Don't be hatin' ! lol

Nah man....I have no hate for anyone here.
Just did tons and tons of deals. Over 3000 on ebay alone.
And when shit goes south.....it has to be delt with. Not blame the other guy.
Little leg work....its all good. sucks...but such is life.
JC wasnt a store but a regular dude. Not sticking up for him but he was trying to make things right by doing a claim.
I have no idea who he is and just saw this along with everyone else. I only popped in because I had a ton of complaints against Uber.
And I have no idea who he is along with JC.
I am not taking feelings in this. It is just common sense.

 

[jc986]

Here's the video that I made the same day I packed it up for shipping.

https://youtu.be/TabegFdAyy4

 

[Mailman1971]

Here's the video that I made the same day I packed it up for shipping.

https://youtu.be/TabegFdAyy4

So really what you did....was after the video...you threw the amp down a flight of stairs knowing you would screw the guy over.
I am sorry....the amp sounded fine to me in the video. I am sure when he got it that there probably was something that got bumped during shipping.
But that's the shit that happens sometimes. He needs to put his big boy pants on and deal with it.
I would be bummed as well if I got something and it wasnt functioning properly but I would never threaten the life of the guy that I got it from. That is just childish.
But I did once beat up a kid in 3rd grade. He never messed with me again.

 

[jc986]

He did not get screwed.

The amp worked 100% for the original owner.

The amp worked 100% for me. I can post the video I made the day I packed the amp up a little later today.

I have offered to file a FedEx claim to make sure any damages can be taken care of. In the event FedEx would deny the claim, I offered to personally assist with the cost of repair.

He refused and started with all the threats. He still hasn't presented me with any proof of anything wrong with the amp or any written quote for repairs.

The day he received the amp he acknowledged it worked fine and left me good feedback.

It sounds like you're not taking any responsibility. Let me get this straight, without any fluff to blur the bottom line...

He traded you a Bogner Uberschall which works perfectly and you sent him a Lil Fokker that you claimed worked perfectly. Now you have a perfect Uberschall and he has a Lil Fokker in need of repair. Bottom line only, correct?

I see that you complained about him not giving you quote, etc..., but should he be the one doing all of that? Shouldn't you be doing all of that? It's odd that you claim the Lil Fokker was perfect yet seem to have no concern whatsoever in what Peter Diezel had to say. In the correspondence, Ubermetaldude seems to have kept you in the loop so what's to stop you from getting involved and finding out what the problem is?

I"m sorry to say but the way you responded to the guy and your lack of interest in working a solution shows your blatant guilt.

All you demonstrated so far is your willingness to bill FedEx the cost. Where on your part are YOU going to fit the expense?

Last question. Since the moderator banned that member, how are you going to make sure that he is taken care of or did you already abandon your reaponsibilities?

People who lie cannot hide it. What you say is one thing, but how the fact a add up, the way you react to certain things, and your lack of actual action proves your guilt.

So far you put blame on FedEx and him yet despite what you say, you refuse to give him his gear back, you didn't involve yourself in the repair process, and you apparently didn't send the guy any money to get an estimate, so you basically haven't done a single thing. How do you expect him to provide you a quote when it's not covered under warranty? Estimates cost money. Did you send him a shipping label to have the amp sent to a qualified tech? Did you pay for the estimate or bench fee? So tell me, while you are playing his perfect amp, how are you making sure that he has an equally functional amp?

The truth is that you haven't donebjack shit and put all the burden on your victim because you never planned to do shitnin the first place. Man you are a piece of work. People like you are the worst possible kind to deal with.

I provided my email address and phone number to ubermetaldood, as well as my phone number being on both shipping labels (I used mine since uber didn't provide his when I was generating the shipping labels). Unfortunately I don't have his email address and phone number because it was not provided to me when I asked for it in PM.

I sent a perfectly working amp and hate that it didn't arrive that way. ubermetaldood is completely dismissive of even pursuing a shipping claim, which would have to be done before shipping the amp to another destination.

 

[jc986]

Also, none of the correspondence between Peter Diezel and ubermetaldood has been shared directly with me. He did relay the results of their communications, but how am I supposed to facilitate getting a repair quote when I don't have all the details? Would it not make the most sense for the person with the amp, photos and correspondence from the manufacturer to at least get a rough estimate so we can get a claim going?

 

[HeftyMetalGuitar]

Not going to take sides, but I offer this for thought.

1) I hate UPS, they've broken/damaged more shipments to me than any other carrier. Current damage to total shipments ratio is 27 out of 35. Scary, huh? Must have been that small claims suit I won against them 9 years ago.

2) I use Fedex Ground and pack pretty well. A local client orders an H75 65w speaker, which weighs 12 lbs packed. He gets it, the frame is bent in two places, the box is dinged up. It went 40 miles. I send him a replacement, same packing, same speaker, etc. That one gets there fine two days later. He orders 2 more speakers, they get there fine.

3) I file a damage claim for the 1st damaged H75. It gets denied due to insufficient packing. Yeah, I showed them the replacement tracking #, and the other shipments that all got there in one piece, they didn't budge. I was going to fight it out with them on principle but got tossed in the hospital for 10 days in January and my window to refile was over.

Moral of the story, sometimes shit happens in shipping you can't explain...or prove.

The amp seller says he offered to do a damage claim. Fine. Buyer sends him pics of the box, inner box, damaged goods/PCB board, etc to file with the claim, then they wait 2-3 weeks for an answer, assuming they have a repair estimate. I did all that for my client, he sent me pics. I still lost out. He got a replacement speaker, client is happy and ordered more speakers.

In a single transaction deal for $2000, though, it had better be insured, packed for a catapult launch, and the seller better do the paperwork.

With that said, if the buyer is a dick, doesn't get an estimate, or pics, the seller can't file the claim.

There's my 11 years of Fedex damage claim experience in a nutshell. uberdood and jc need to communicate without threats, posted addresses and frigging common sense. Grow the fuck up, or take it off the forum and meet on the golf course already.

Sheesh.

No wonder I don't frequent this forum much anymore. I've got enough business/health drama in my life to read up on this type of unreasonable posting crap.

Apples and oranges buddy. You've proven nothing except trying to make excuses for yourself. You obviously didn't read the facts of the repair. You might win a few customers selectively supporting generalizations and speculations in the mob rule. Congratulations on that. Maybe next time you make a mistake packing something you can stick it to UPS and spare yourself the expense of being accountable for what you do. Whatever opinion of him, Ubermetalguy has a legitimate gripe and his facts support what he says. I don't care about speculation or your silly overgeneralzing your experience shipping speakers because what I care aboutnis someone getting a fair shake. JC986 knowingly shipped Ubermetaldude a bad amp and if you can't see that then you lack discernment between truth and lies.

People posting here come with preconceived ideas without even reading the transcripts. Ubermetaldude said in his correspondence that he would provide pics and info for the shipping claim but that he wanted nothing else to do with it because he felt it's dishonest. You are jumping to all these conclusions in complete ignorance and that's not fair to the guy.