Boss takes on Universal Audio and Two Notes with the Waza Tube Amp Expander Core

Wish it were more than 30 watts.

It's advertised as for tube amps, which of course it is, but these are useful for some of the new mini modelers like ToneX and Nano Cortex, which has great amp sounds but minimal effects and switching. So having a box as a power amp/DI that can do some of the FX lifting seems like it'd be really helpful with those things. But 30 watts doesn't seem adequate.
 
I'm sure it has a place in the market, but I've seen the bigger one go used for a similar price.
 
For me, the differentiator of the TAE are the onboard effects and the ability to switch between 20w/50w/100w. No other box does this and it’s awesome.
 
They never acknowledged their first design was destroying tube amplifiers with I think it was their presence knob turned up. I wouldn’t plug a single tube anything into these units until they admit the problem and also created a solution. Suhr will void your amp warranty if you use one with his amps.
 
Piece of junk. I'm sick of dudes doing amp and guitar demos on youtube and they aren't cranked up and if they are then they aren't even plugged into real speakers. "I'm going direct". I want to punch them direct, right in the mouth. Complete fail point tactics for demonstrating gear. "Load box" is like something an amazon package was delivered in that you shit into when your toilet isn't working. If your answer is "I'll have problems with my landlord" then you have no business playing rock music cause yous a coward. If you haven't been kicked out of a few places or had the cops called on you for being too loud you are not rock music material, find a nice condenser mic and a lounge and go sing dinner tunes you painted on arms weakling. You can not demonstrate tube tones by using computerized speakers and crappy attenuators. Big shot youtubers, thousands of subs, with their 100 watt amps on 3 WOOOOOH soooooo impressive you SUCK.
 
glpg80 said:
They never acknowledged their first design was destroying tube amplifiers with I think it was their presence knob turned up. I wouldn’t plug a single tube anything into these units until they admit the problem and also created a solution. Suhr will void your amp warranty if you use one with his amps.
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Been using one every day for the past 6yrs with all my amps. Suhr endorser Pete Thorn used TAEs on his last tour, and he’s prob Suhr’s largest artist, maybe they are upset about that

I’ve heard of one guy over on TGP who claimed to have had an issue. TGP may as well be www.fryette.com so I smell agenda…
 
glpg80 said:
They never acknowledged their first design was destroying tube amplifiers with I think it was their presence knob turned up. I wouldn’t plug a single tube anything into these units until they admit the problem and also created a solution. Suhr will void your amp warranty if you use one with his amps.
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Yep, I refused to buy one of the OGs until they admitted they fucked up and offer a solution.

That holds with the new one

I'm no expert, but if I can understand why it would be unsafe to run your thousands of dollars tube amp with one of these, you have a big problem
 
DanTravis62 said:
Yep, I refused to buy one of the OGs until they admitted they fucked up and offer a solution.

That holds with the new one

I'm no expert, but if I can understand why it would be unsafe to run your thousands of dollars tube amp with one of these, you have a big problem
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But what if they didn’t fuck up and one Fryette fan over at TGP made the whole thing up? Again, every day for the last 6yrs.
 
tallcoolone said:
But what if they didn’t fuck up and one Fryette fan over at TGP made the whole thing up? Again, every day for the last 6yrs.
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I don't doubt that yours is working fine dude but we're talking about your anecdata versus actual math here.

If Boss has an explanation to why there product is actually safe for all amps, i'd love to hear it

But "Fuck you you're wrong mines fine" isn't an argument, it's an opinion
 
tallcoolone said:
But what if they didn’t fuck up and one Fryette fan over at TGP made the whole thing up? Again, every day for the last 6yrs.
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It’s amp specific and has to do with their speaker emulation being non-realistic in the response curve. So if you jack the presence knob it causes your OT to become damaged since the response isn’t actually possible except in their speaker emulation circuit. Not every OT has the same response or impedance curve - that’s why it’s a dangerous unit. Pete Thorn did a video on one and explained Suhr’s findings. Basically they’re safe to use if you keep the presence off or low which to me is still not good enough to warrant spending money on one.
 
glpg80 said:
It’s amp specific and has to do with their speaker emulation being non-realistic in the response curve. So if you jack the presence knob it causes your OT to become damaged since the response isn’t actually possible except in their speaker emulation circuit.
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This is my understanding too

That isn't to say that it doesn't sound nice - it certainly is fine in all the demos

It's just a deep dive on what it's safe to use with and what isn't from Roland would be nice in this situation at the very least
 
DanTravis62 said:
But "Fuck you you're wrong mines fine" isn't an argument, it's an opinion
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To be fair, I didn’t say that. Just judging between 1 or 2 complaints and thousands and thousands of units out in the wild, along with some of the industry’s biggest names using them.
 
tallcoolone said:
To be fair, I didn’t say that. Just judging between 1 or 2 complaints and thousands and thousands of units out in the wild, along with some of the industry’s biggest names using them.
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It literally has nothing to do with the complaints, or numbers of them, it has to do with math
 
tallcoolone said:
I hate math
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I can empathize, definitely

If Roland came out with a press release saying "hey be careful with ___ types of amps with the TAE - it can cause issues with amps with __ frequency response" or something like that, I would probably feel differently about it

But they kind of just said "fuck you theres no issue" when there most certainly IS an issue - because if guitarists of all people are noticing a technical problem or snafu, it deserves an explanation

I love Boss - I own a bunch of their pedals and the es5 and es8 absolutely kill the gigrig and everything else on the market

But I will never buy a TAE or similar until they have a come to jesus moment about this, because I seriously have no idea what amps it is gonna work with and which amps its going to fry the transformer on
 
tallcoolone said:
I hate math
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You don’t have to stay at a holiday inn to know to avoid anything that can damage the single absolute most costly item in an amp.

….Unless of course you have money to burn and not a care in the world or like to take chances 😂
 
DanTravis62 said:
But they kind of just said "fuck you theres no issue" when there most certainly IS an issue - because if guitarists of all people are noticing a technical problem or snafu, it deserves an explanation
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I hear ya, and I dial down the resonance knob b/c I read one some board that this was possibly the issue. But still, I gotta think if this was such a danger as all the geek boards say there would be more noise other than a couple of randos on TGP
 
tallcoolone said:
I hear ya, and I dial down the resonance knob b/c I read one some board that this was possibly the issue. But still, I gotta think if this was such a danger as all the geek boards say there would be more noise other than a couple of randos on TGP
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That's the real problem though, no one KNOWS how much of an issue it is, because Boss wasn't upfront about it and won't give an explanation

There's probably hundreds or even a thousand people who didn't buy one specifically because of it

And I guarantee if they DID buy it, there would be more blown up amps, and we'd have a better idea of the scope
 
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