Boss takes on Universal Audio and Two Notes with the Waza Tube Amp Expander Core

glpg80 said:
You don’t have to stay at a holiday inn to know to avoid anything that can damage the single absolute most costly item in an amp.

….Unless of course you have money to burn and not a care in the world or like to take chances 😂
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I guess that’s kind of my point. Replacing an OT is hundreds of dollars. I spend that going out on Friday night—I’m not going to quit using the most useful piece of gear I own because of an unspecified threat that might cost me a steak dinner.
 
tallcoolone said:
I guess that’s kind of my point. Replacing an OT is hundreds of dollars. I spend that going out on Friday night—I’m not going to quit using the most useful piece of gear I own because of an unspecified threat that might cost me a steak dinner.
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You already own one so that makes sense, however others do not - and there’s many options to choose from today.
 
I have the bigger TAE so always follow these online arguments closely and this is my running summary...
  • User reporting blown transformers
    • 2-3 reported cases online, and that's it. Its these same stories repeated every time, never new ones.
    • Very vague stories with a high chance of a user running their amp with zero load (and blaming the TAE later)
  • Manufacturers (both with competing products)
    • Suhr (himself) - Says when the Resonance knob is not set to Low it can cause loading issues on an amp, therefore he won't warranty his amps against a TAE. He said he modded Pete Thorn's Plexi to protected against flyback voltage from the TAE just in case (just a couple diodes installed apparently), no follow up on if they were every actually helpful but clearly the two of them felt comfortable still using a TAE.
    • Fryette (support employee) - Says this is all nonsense and they have no concerns over warrantying their amps against a TAE.
Boss has clearly sold enough of these that they're investing in more products in this line and there has been so little claims about it that I just don't believe there is some serious design flaw (maybe a unit or two with manufacturers defect?). Anecdotally I've had mine for 4+ years and used it across 6+ amps (Marshall, Fender, Mesa, etc) with zero issues and many of those amps have been to techs for tune ups across that time period with no issues found.

There's so little reported evidence, and the only knowledgeable voice speaking out has another knowledgeable voice disagreeing entirely, that at this point I think its on Suhr to provide some real evidence because like 95% of the online convo is just people repeating exaggerated stories they read in previous threads.

EDIT: Found an old post I made here with links to the impedance curves that show the TAE when Resonance set to Low is in the same range as all other attenuators. Debate on it on the High setting is still out, but no one is willing to actually weigh in with evidence (Boss/Suhr/Fryette). https://www.rig-talk.com/forum/thre...small-claims-court.213891/page-8#post-3774500
 
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VonBonfire said:
Piece of junk. I'm sick of dudes doing amp and guitar demos on youtube and they aren't cranked up and if they are then they aren't even plugged into real speakers. "I'm going direct". I want to punch them direct, right in the mouth. Complete fail point tactics for demonstrating gear. "Load box" is like something an amazon package was delivered in that you shit into when your toilet isn't working. If your answer is "I'll have problems with my landlord" then you have no business playing rock music cause yous a coward. If you haven't been kicked out of a few places or had the cops called on you for being too loud you are not rock music material, find a nice condenser mic and a lounge and go sing dinner tunes you painted on arms weakling. You can not demonstrate tube tones by using computerized speakers and crappy attenuators. Big shot youtubers, thousands of subs, with their 100 watt amps on 3 WOOOOOH soooooo impressive you SUCK.
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Happy Friday to you as well sir! :ROFLMAO:
 
tallcoolone said:
I love ya man but you can’t guarantee that.
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I can, just because of the numbers involved

If they sold more of them, more of them would have problems - even if it WASN'T a manufacturer issue

It's just if they did, we'd have a better idea of the actual problem
 
VonBonfire said:
Piece of junk. I'm sick of dudes doing amp and guitar demos on youtube and they aren't cranked up and if they are then they aren't even plugged into real speakers. "I'm going direct". I want to punch them direct, right in the mouth. Complete fail point tactics for demonstrating gear. "Load box" is like something an amazon package was delivered in that you shit into when your toilet isn't working. If your answer is "I'll have problems with my landlord" then you have no business playing rock music cause yous a coward. If you haven't been kicked out of a few places or had the cops called on you for being too loud you are not rock music material, find a nice condenser mic and a lounge and go sing dinner tunes you painted on arms weakling. You can not demonstrate tube tones by using computerized speakers and crappy attenuators. Big shot youtubers, thousands of subs, with their 100 watt amps on 3 WOOOOOH soooooo impressive you SUCK.
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Bro, you don't even play guitar.

Sit down and be quiet.

:ROFLMAO:
 
DanTravis62 said:
I can, just because of the numbers involved

If they sold more of them, more of them would have problems - even if it WASN'T a manufacturer issue

It's just if they did, we'd have a better idea of the actual problem
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I know I’m not good at math but the important number here is 2. That’s the number of issues we’ve seen across all of the geek boards. Out of how many thousands of TAE’s sold and being used? As you know, user error can be bad for tube amps, esp when talking about attenuators/reampers. What % chance that one or both of these complaints weren’t posted to try and cover up misuse?

This is Boss/Roland, not Fryette or Suhr. They don’t invest in a product line in order to sell 900 pieces. If there were catastrophic design flaws in the TAE it is my opinion that we would have heard of more than 2 issues. If I’m wrong, and I blow a tranny I’ll be sure and report back. Wait a minute 😂
 
tallcoolone said:
I know I’m not good at math but the important number here is 2. That’s the number of issues we’ve seen across all of the geek boards. Out of how many thousands of TAE’s sold and being used? As you know, user error can be bad for tube amps, esp when talking about attenuators/reampers. What % chance that one or both of these complaints weren’t posted to try and cover up misuse?

This is Boss/Roland, not Fryette or Suhr. They don’t invest in a product line in order to sell 900 pieces. If there were catastrophic design flaws in the TAE it is my opinion that we would have heard or more than 2 issues. If I’m wrong, and I blow a tranny I’ll be sure and report back. Wait a minute 😂
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Anecdotes are not data dude lol

Even if there wasn't a single mention of the problem on the boards, the technical aspect of it would still be a giant red flag
 
DanTravis62 said:
That's the real problem though, no one KNOWS how much of an issue it is, because Boss wasn't upfront about it and won't give an explanation
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Doesn't that mean there is an equal probability that this is a complete nothing burger and there is no need for Boss to be upfront about anything?

DanTravis62 said:
And I guarantee if they DID buy it, there would be more blown up amps, and we'd have a better idea of the scope
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What are you basing this on? We have absolutely no idea how many units Boss has sold. At best we can make assumptions based on the size of their company and the fact that they continue to invest in this very product line.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Anecdotes are not data dude lol

Even if there wasn't a single mention of the problem on the boards, the technical aspect of it would still be a giant red flag
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What specifically is the problematic technical aspect again? Other than just “math”?
 
ners said:
Doesn't that mean there is an equal probability that this is a complete nothing burger and there is no need for Boss to be upfront about anything?


What are you basing this on? We have absolutely no idea how many units Boss has sold. At best we can make assumptions based on the size of their company and the fact that they continue to invest in this very product line.
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No, because they haven't explained why it's a nothing burger

I'm literally basing it off of "if they sold more units, there's a higher probability of warranty failures" which means we'd have a larger data pool to pull retarded anecdotes out of

HEY MAN I KNOW A GUY WHOS TAE RAPED HIS DOG POSTED IT ON FACEBOOK

HEY MAN I KNOW A GUY WHOS TAE CURED CANCER HE POSTED IT ON TGP

It literally doesn't matter. What matters is the actual technical aspect of it, which Boss has yet to explain in any meaningful way
 
DanTravis62 said:
No, because they haven't explained why it's a nothing burger

I'm literally basing it off of "if they sold more units, there's a higher probability of warranty failures" which means we'd have a larger data pool to pull retarded anecdotes out of

HEY MAN I KNOW A GUY WHOS TAE RAPED HIS DOG POSTED IT ON FACEBOOK

HEY MAN I KNOW A GUY WHOS TAE CURED CANCER HE POSTED IT ON TGP

It literally doesn't matter. What matters is the actual technical aspect of it, which Boss has yet to explain in any meaningful way
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Why should they? 2 randos on the internet and 1 of their competitors talked shit, why in the world should they respond to that? None of them provided compelling evidence.

So you're asserting that because we have so few reports then the product must have sold like shit? There's no world where they just created a good product that sells well without too much fuss?

I agree that an engineering explanation is all that matters, but there is no reason for Boss to provide one and the only knowledgeable claim (Suhr) hasn't provided a detailed enough argument to begin with.
 
ners said:
Why should they? 2 randos on the internet and 1 of their competitors talked shit, why in the world should they respond to that? None of them provided compelling evidence.

So you're asserting that because we have so few reports then the product must have sold like shit? There's no world where they just created a good product that sells well without too much fuss?

I agree that an engineering explanation is all that matters, but there is no reason for Boss to provide one and the only knowledge claim (Suhr) hasn't provided a detailed enough argument to begin with.
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If it's not compelling to you, great - it's kept a whole shit ton of people from buying their product though

No, I'm asserting that it would have sold better if they addressed the snafu.

Yes, the reason that they should have provided one is because it's common knowledge that not having a load on a tube amp is bad and causes damage - and many transformer issues that have nothing to do with attenuators come down to this as well.
tallcoolone said:
How/where has this been proven to be harmful?
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Uhhhhh.... yeah go ahead and fire up your tube head without a cabinet and rock out and get back to me.
 
DanTravis62 said:
Uhhhhh.... yeah go ahead and fire up your tube head without a cabinet and rock out and get back to me.
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So your assertion is that using the TAE as designed is no different than running your tube amp without a load?
 
tallcoolone said:
So your assertion is that using the TAE as designed is no different than running your tube amp without a load?
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I'm saying that your amp needs to see a load, and if the TAE has some kind of work around for this, it would sell alot more TAEs if they explained how it's safe and how it works
 
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