Boss takes on Universal Audio and Two Notes with the Waza Tube Amp Expander Core

Except it does provide a load...
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The questionable part is the sub-50hz area since that no longer mimics a real cab (except for Resonance on Low setting, aka the bottom most curve on this graph).

So we can confirm it absolutely does provide a load, but just we don't know what impact that load has because its irregular compared to a cab. It could be a completely healthy load or it could be completely dangerous. Presumably Boss had tested this during the design phase, but maybe they didn't...but maybe they did. It's really on Suhr (or someone not Boss) to prove that a load this high below 50hz is problematic.
 
To be fair, I am a weekend warrior cover band guitar player with a LOT more gear than talent. If I relied on one or two amps to make a living I would also be hesitant to trust a piece of equipment that had any questions attached to it. I guess, in my situation, it is easy for me to write these issues off as a competitor using fear in order to capture more of the market. Yes, easy for me to say.
 
ners said:
Except it does provide a load...
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The questionable part is the sub-50hz area since that no longer mimics a real cab (except for Resonance on Low setting, aka the bottom most curve on this graph).

So we can confirm it absolutely does provide a load, but just we don't know what impact that load has because its irregular compared to a cab. It could be a completely healthy load or it could be completely dangerous. Presumably Boss had tested this during the design phase, but maybe they didn't...but maybe they did. It's really on Suhr (or someone not Boss) to prove that a load this high below 50hz is problematic.
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The problem is that no one is going to (potentially) blow up an expensive tube amp to prove this on a forum.

That's why everyone is looking at Boss - what Suhr said makes sense to me, and a whole lot of other people.

Even if it's a relatively small part of the irregular load, we have no idea what that is going to do over time - especially with vintage style amps which are redlining to begin with.

That's why I, and others, say it's on Boss to address. If you don't think they should? Great, but "It's not their place to address it" isn't going to convince me to spend money on the product.
 
tallcoolone said:
To be fair, I am a weekend warrior cover band guitar player with a LOT more gear than talent. If I relied on one or two amps to make a living I would also be hesitant to trust a piece of equipment that had any questions attached to it. I guess, in my situation, it is easy for me to write these issues off as a competitor using fear in order to capture more of the market. Yes, easy for me to say.
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That makes sense :dunno:

I am the exact opposite, and I only have a couple amps that i depend on being in working order in order to work

If I had the scratch, it probably wouldn't bother me at all - it's not a Boss specific thing for me. I love boss TBH

It's simply a red flag or question that would keep me (and many others) from buying one until they address it
 
I’m sure it’s a cool product, but I just have a mental block that prevents me from trusting my vintage amps plugging into something like that with “BOSS” on the nameplate.
 
DanTravis62 said:
I'm saying that your amp needs to see a load, and if the TAE has some kind of work around for this, it would sell alot more TAEs if they explained how it's safe and how it works
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Found a couple of John Suhr's posts about the TAE...

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/suhr-hombre-waza-tae.2505943/post-37807340
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/suhr-hombre-waza-tae.2505943/post-37807399

TLDR is that the high impedance could put stress on the transformer since amp transformers are designed to see guitar cabs but instead are seeing a differently shaped load. So comparing the issue to running an amp without a load is incorrect and the exact opposite.

The question that needs to be answered (preferably by transformer manufacturers) is "is a load upwards of 200ohms in the sub 50hz region safe?". I clearly have some time on my hands this morning so maybe I'll spot pick some manufacturers and ask about what their safe operating levels are.
 
ners said:
Found a couple of John Suhr's posts about the TAE...

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/suhr-hombre-waza-tae.2505943/post-37807340
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/suhr-hombre-waza-tae.2505943/post-37807399

TLDR is that the high impedance could put stress on the transformer since amp transformers are designed to see guitar cabs but instead are seeing a differently shaped load. So comparing the issue to running an amp without a load is incorrect and the exact opposite.

The question that needs to be answered (preferably by transformer manufacturers) is "is a load upwards of 200ohms in the sub 50hz region safe?". I clearly have some time on my hands this morning so maybe I'll spot pick some manufacturers and ask about what their safe operating levels are.
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I wasn't comparing the issue to running without a load to be literal, I was being hyperbolic to make a point, but if you want to be pedantic about it sure dude lol

Germino, Henry, Suhr, Rich St Pierre, and many others seemed pretty leery of a 200ohm load under 50hz over long periods of time, but I'm interested to hear your results
 
It's easy for us regulars to forget that MOST guitar players do not post on forums. So when we observe 2-3 cases of TAE fuckery, it hardly represents the real world numbers of either people that had issues or people that had no issues. It makes all of this a guessing game...

Which makes the decision easy for me. I'm not going to gamble on the TAE. If Boss finds their sale numbers to be adequate as is, then fine. If they want to capture more of the market then yes they need to explain why their product is safe.

My guess is that only a small percentage of people have concerns about the TAE (based on forum posts) and that Boss sees this as a non-issue big picture.
 
VonBonfire said:
I had a Boss DS-1 and it broke in 90 days. Switch failure. I had a BR-600 it crashed out after not much use. I won't buy Boss anything after that.
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Damn that sucks—did you try to get a warrantee replacement? IME Boss pedals rarely die, although I’m sure like everything else corners have been cut. I did have a Super Chorus shit the bed but it was pretty banged up
 
tallcoolone said:
Damn that sucks—did you try to get a warrantee replacement?
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I didn't. Once a piece of gear fails that quickly I've lost faith in it and I'm not gonna use it again so I threw it in the trash can. I figured it was a freak so we bought a BR600 recorder, barely used it, and it too crashed out and failed. I have a Strymon Ojai that I was using for pedal steel only at the house. I barely ever moved it after I installed it and it failed. It will join the Boss in the trash can. I had a monster speaker cable that lasted 3 months of gentle use. Their guitar cables did not last more than a year. Monster is another junk maker. I don't have time for gear that needs the warranty. It has to take me many miles and earn mucho gig $$$ before I will have it repaired and put trust in it. Failures=lost cash.
 
VonBonfire said:
I didn't. Once a piece of gear fails that quickly I've lost faith in it and I'm not gonna use it again so I threw it in the trash can. I figured it was a freak so we bought a BR600 recorder, barely used it, and it too crashed out and failed. I have a Strymon Ojai that I was using for pedal steel only at the house. I barely ever moved it after I installed it and it failed. It will join the Boss in the trash can. I had a monster speaker cable that lasted 3 months of gentle use. Their guitar cables did not last more than a year. Monster is another junk maker. I don't have time for gear that needs the warranty. It has to take me many miles and earn mucho gig $$$ before I will have it repaired and put trust in it. Failures=lost cash.
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Stick with our boy @griff10672, he won’t fail ya
 
griff10672 said:
I do have to come up with a VonBonfire signature drive ...... maybe a modded Ds-1 .... with a battery snap ..
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Lol, I had a DS-1 cause it was all I could afford at the time. I was looking at new pedals and even the Rockett stuff is no longer taking 9v. So I started looking at expensive Dumble drives or maybe having Ch1 on my Twin modded out since I always use Ch2 so no harm no foul if it sucks, lol. I don't really know what to do anymore. *shrugs
 
VonBonfire said:
Lol, I had a DS-1 cause it was all I could afford at the time. I was looking at new pedals and even the Rockett stuff is no longer taking 9v. So I started looking at expensive Dumble drives or maybe having Ch1 on my Twin modded out since I always use Ch2 so no harm no foul if it sucks, lol. I don't really know what to do anymore. *shrugs
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what circuit are you interested in??? or pedal ?? you looking for like a Steel String Singer kind of thing ?? Dumble -esque " ??
 
Maybe for this new version, Boss reworked their reactive load. There are only two settings ("combo" and "stack") compared to the previous version.
 
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