Build quality.....Old vs. New

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I don't feel lead free (RoHS) solder is as easy to work with. It does not flow, to me like a good Kester 60/40.
Unfortunately, every county in the world is going to be Mercury free on imports and exports soon, so we will all just have to deal with it.
 
mraajr":1dzk33mr said:
It is fun to stir the pot....at HCAF where it is par for the course.

Gotta chime in here. That may be the case at H-C, but that's why we've migrated over to R-T.

mraajr":1dzk33mr said:
How you portray yourself on the internet is how you are? Maybe you my friend but I can assure you that is not that case with everyone. I am not on the internet all day looking to be serious as hell like I have to be in my work life.

But portraying one's self untruly doesn't encourage good relationships, and is akin to lying - whether on the internet or not. Plus, many of us deal in gear. If I can't trust the other party (be it buyer or seller), IMHO that would really complicate a transaction.

mraajr":1dzk33mr said:
I could care less how someone looks at me from my posts on an internet forum. It is the internet. I may meet 3 or 3 of you in my entire life. Why would i care if you thought I was "cool" or "mature" or a "troll"?

True, but in THIS case you are going after Peter Diezel. As a Herbert owner, I would guess that you understand the loyalty we ALL have towards both Peters (Diezel and Stapher). Therefore trying to point out any defects on an "official" forum (as has been pointed out earlier) seems like trying to start trouble. Worst part is IF you ever needed help from Diezel Amps, it would be awkward (for me at least) to go back and ask for help/service after publicly stirring up so many issues. Of course, Papa Diezel would probably honor whatever warranty is on any of his amps. :thumbsup: :yes:
 
This is nothing that hasn't already been said by others, but I'll say it anyway... I think my (new, 2009) Herbert looks beautiful on the inside- but even more importantly I love the way it sounds. Though I'm a new Diezel owner, I'm already impressed with Peter's fast response to user-questions. (For that matter I've also been impressed with the community's fast responses. Several of you were quick to jump in and help me with my preamp tube issue a couple of weeks ago.) Anyway, enough said. :)
 
I'm of the opinion that you can tell more about a person from how they handle themselves when they know there aren't consequences for their actions than you can when there are.


Can't speak for Peter, but I agree with Mark2c. I work in a electronics manufacturing company and have seen higher difficulty dealing with RoHS compliance and lead free soldering.
 
:dunno: I don't grasp it

Diezel Amps are a league of it's own - and together with Fractal Audio probably the best
customer support. If you have/buy a Diezel with some bad modifications, Peter
will give you a free exchange of the PCB (already happend in germany, can't prove
it because "Musiker-Board" has a downtime)

If you compare the PCB of this '95 VH4 to this newer Herbert you will recognize some major improvements




....still don't get it :no:
 

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46&2 summed it up - lets wait if we will see pics this time . . .
 
To finish the thread:

Whenever it comes to critics or complains, we will do our
best to increase sound and quality.

Whenever a customer has an issue, we help him.

I´m sure as time will come we will have a good
service network over the States.

That´s on ME and now YOU should start playing Your guitar.
 
Piero the Guitarero":2pavbqlo said:
If you compare the PCB of this '95 VH4 to this newer Herbert you will recognize some major improvements




....still don't get it :no:
That Oliphant on the VH4's choke is hilarious :lol: :LOL:
 
mraajr":ngo0j49o said:
FourT6and2":ngo0j49o said:
mraajr":ngo0j49o said:
Pictures will be had this evening....."slightly imperfect" is a far cry from what you will see in the photos. Why is addressing this in the Diezel forum so bad. ANytime someone has something questionable to say here you people go fucking nuts. C-4, HCAF has absolutely nothing to do with this. That thread has absolutely nothing to do with Diezel build quality. That thread is about the douche that is dragging this amp companies already controversial name through the dirt. Pretty sad really but again that has nothing to do with this. I was simply bringing up the obvious difference between an older Herbert and a newer one.

What have I said here that I did not say there or there other way around? This has nothing to do with trolling. My pictures will prove that. Thank you C-4 for you compliment about my taste in gear. Personal class and tact have nothing to do with this. If we met in person I am sure you would say otherwise. This is the internet and every now and again it is fun to "stir the pot" a little. If you notice I think I posted a total of 5 times in both of those threads combined. Those may have been "troll" threads but this certainly is not. My time on the internet is spiradic. I get the most done with the time I have :thumbsup:

This is also the second thread you've started where you talk about the soldering on your amp. The first time, you said you would post pics. You never did. You then said you were perfectly happy with your amp and you were dropping the "issue." Now, you've brought it up again.

It's not that people "go nuts every time someone has something questionable to say about Diezel." It's the way in which you go about doing so. You even say, "every now and again it is fun to stir the pot." You are a troll and you admit to being so.

Maybe if you took some time to think about what you say, before you say it, you'd be received better.

It's strange that people think that their internet "identity" is somehow different from their real "identity." How you portray yourself is, indeed, how you are. I don't know you in "real life." But, I know you from how you portray and represent yourself here. You may view the internet as an excuse to behave in a way that you normally wouldn't behave in person, but that just shows others how immature you truly are. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Own your words and own your actions. Otherwise, you're just a troll.

It is fun to stir the pot....at HCAF where it is par for the course. How you portray yourself on the internet is how you are? Maybe you my friend but I can assure you that is not that case with everyone. I am not on the internet all day looking to be serious as hell like I have to be in my work life. I could care less how someone looks at me from my posts on an internet forum. It is the internet. I may meet 3 or 3 of you in my entire life. Why would i care if you thought I was "cool" or "mature" or a "troll"? If pictures are what you want I will get them.

Bullshit. How you interact with others is who you are, even on the internet. I see plenty of people who are relaxed, cool and still have fun with things (being silly and shit) online, but there's a line between goofing off and having fun... and being a jackass. You're rapidly showing yourself to be the latter. It's not about whether people think you are cool or mature or not. It's about interacting with others. This is a forum... a place where people come to discuss a certain topic constructively. If you can't or wont participate constructively, maybe you should stick to HCAF.

Don't get me wrong, I post over at HCAF too and I know how fun it is to behave like a jackass sometimes. But, Rig-Talk isn't the place for that.
 
I think both of the attachment photo pictures of the guts of both the '95 VH4, and the newer Herbert look extremely neat and very professional! :thumbsup:
 
eddyrox":183lzf9t said:
mraajr":183lzf9t said:
It is fun to stir the pot....at HCAF where it is par for the course.

Gotta chime in here. That may be the case at H-C, but that's why we've migrated over to R-T.

mraajr":183lzf9t said:
How you portray yourself on the internet is how you are? Maybe you my friend but I can assure you that is not that case with everyone. I am not on the internet all day looking to be serious as hell like I have to be in my work life.

But portraying one's self untruly doesn't encourage good relationships, and is akin to lying - whether on the internet or not. Plus, many of us deal in gear. If I can't trust the other party (be it buyer or seller), IMHO that would really complicate a transaction.

mraajr":183lzf9t said:
I could care less how someone looks at me from my posts on an internet forum. It is the internet. I may meet 3 or 3 of you in my entire life. Why would i care if you thought I was "cool" or "mature" or a "troll"?

True, but in THIS case you are going after Peter Diezel. As a Herbert owner, I would guess that you understand the loyalty we ALL have towards both Peters (Diezel and Stapher). Therefore trying to point out any defects on an "official" forum (as has been pointed out earlier) seems like trying to start trouble. Worst part is IF you ever needed help from Diezel Amps, it would be awkward (for me at least) to go back and ask for help/service after publicly stirring up so many issues. Of course, Papa Diezel would probably honor whatever warranty is on any of his amps. :thumbsup: :yes:

I have many dealings and good relationships on this and numerous other forums. I think all the people I have dealt with would agree. Just because i do not neccesarily get along with the rest of the forum at least the people in the Classifieds understand that I am a stand up individual.

Peter, this has nothing to do with you as a person. I sure hope the service network in the states changes. I started this thread hoping for an answer to a simple question. That question is "Why is there a noticeable difference in attention detail from year to year?" If this is a fluke say so and that will be that. I will get pictures and you will see exactly what I am talking about. This thread is not a troll thread and like I said before you will see that when I post pictures.
 
That Oliphant on the VH4's choke is hilarious :lol: :LOL:[/quote]

There's an elephant being choked on the VH4?! Where?!
I must have missed it some how?! :confused: :lol: :LOL:
 
Why is addressing this in the Diezel forum so bad.

I don't think it is bad, because you were asking a question and that in it's nature is not wrong because this is a forum for questions to be asked.
however........I think that people are feeling that it is linking up with the bad experience you had with the distributor and what you were posting over at HC that may have stirred the pot.

To me it seemed as your first post was accusatory in nature.

maybe I'm wrong?

either way.....whatever......I know what my amp looks like inside and I am more than satisfied with it's performance.
 
Ahh, Stephen the eyes are the first to go. At least you still have your ears...
 
FourT6and2":q2g0lt5c said:
mraajr":q2g0lt5c said:
FourT6and2":q2g0lt5c said:
mraajr":q2g0lt5c said:
Pictures will be had this evening....."slightly imperfect" is a far cry from what you will see in the photos. Why is addressing this in the Diezel forum so bad. ANytime someone has something questionable to say here you people go fucking nuts. C-4, HCAF has absolutely nothing to do with this. That thread has absolutely nothing to do with Diezel build quality. That thread is about the douche that is dragging this amp companies already controversial name through the dirt. Pretty sad really but again that has nothing to do with this. I was simply bringing up the obvious difference between an older Herbert and a newer one.

What have I said here that I did not say there or there other way around? This has nothing to do with trolling. My pictures will prove that. Thank you C-4 for you compliment about my taste in gear. Personal class and tact have nothing to do with this. If we met in person I am sure you would say otherwise. This is the internet and every now and again it is fun to "stir the pot" a little. If you notice I think I posted a total of 5 times in both of those threads combined. Those may have been "troll" threads but this certainly is not. My time on the internet is spiradic. I get the most done with the time I have :thumbsup:

This is also the second thread you've started where you talk about the soldering on your amp. The first time, you said you would post pics. You never did. You then said you were perfectly happy with your amp and you were dropping the "issue." Now, you've brought it up again.

It's not that people "go nuts every time someone has something questionable to say about Diezel." It's the way in which you go about doing so. You even say, "every now and again it is fun to stir the pot." You are a troll and you admit to being so.

Maybe if you took some time to think about what you say, before you say it, you'd be received better.

It's strange that people think that their internet "identity" is somehow different from their real "identity." How you portray yourself is, indeed, how you are. I don't know you in "real life." But, I know you from how you portray and represent yourself here. You may view the internet as an excuse to behave in a way that you normally wouldn't behave in person, but that just shows others how immature you truly are. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Own your words and own your actions. Otherwise, you're just a troll.

It is fun to stir the pot....at HCAF where it is par for the course. How you portray yourself on the internet is how you are? Maybe you my friend but I can assure you that is not that case with everyone. I am not on the internet all day looking to be serious as hell like I have to be in my work life. I could care less how someone looks at me from my posts on an internet forum. It is the internet. I may meet 3 or 3 of you in my entire life. Why would i care if you thought I was "cool" or "mature" or a "troll"? If pictures are what you want I will get them.

Bullshit. How you interact with others is who you are, even on the internet. I see plenty of people who are relaxed, cool and still have fun with things (being silly and shit) online, but there's a line between goofing off and having fun... and being a jackass. You're rapidly showing yourself to be the latter. It's not about whether people think you are cool or mature or not. It's about interacting with others. This is a forum... a place where people come to discuss a certain topic constructively. If you can't or wont participate constructively, maybe you should stick to HCAF.

Don't get me wrong, I post over at HCAF too and I know how fun it is to behave like a jackass sometimes. But, Rig-Talk isn't the place for that.


And for the 10th time that is not what this fucking thread is about. How many times must I say it. When I post the pictures you will be singing a different tune. This thread is NOT a troll. Get that straight. The threads over at HC are fun to watch as everyone goes absolutely apeshit at the mention of Diezel. If you have a wuestion about my character talk to all the epople I have dealt with at TGP, HC, and here, I think jackass will be the furthest word from there mind.

PBGas.....this has no link with the threads over at HC. Is it that hard to realize that it is a completely different atomosphere over there and that a person that posts one way over there may in fact not be the way they really are? This is about dodgy solder joints. Not about Terry and his antics. Go read the OP on those threads....you will find the tone is quite a bit different.
 
C-4":egg0ae09 said:
duesentrieb":egg0ae09 said:
That Oliphant on the VH4's choke is hilarious :lol: :LOL:

There's an elephant being choked on the VH4?! Where?!
I must have missed it some how?! :confused: :lol: :LOL:

Posted this weeeeeks ago



Well, the clips I made are exclusive for Tube-Town ;)
 

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My untrained eyes do see a sloppy shaved old fart who needs to see a haircutter badly :lol: :LOL:

Sehen wir uns auf der Messe, Piero?

Früher war sowieso alles besser . . .
 
I think we have answered your question about solder joints in the new Mercury/Lead free era of electronics.
It's a bitch to work with, but I'm sure Peter is doing his best. Besides, the only real soldering you see is on the tube sockets and
flying leads to the pots. If there is a little flux/rosin spatter it happens as well. And remember, it's a guitar amp, not a spy satellite.
 
mraajr":1e31v36s said:
FourT6and2":1e31v36s said:
mraajr":1e31v36s said:
FourT6and2":1e31v36s said:
mraajr":1e31v36s said:
Pictures will be had this evening....."slightly imperfect" is a far cry from what you will see in the photos. Why is addressing this in the Diezel forum so bad. ANytime someone has something questionable to say here you people go fucking nuts. C-4, HCAF has absolutely nothing to do with this. That thread has absolutely nothing to do with Diezel build quality. That thread is about the douche that is dragging this amp companies already controversial name through the dirt. Pretty sad really but again that has nothing to do with this. I was simply bringing up the obvious difference between an older Herbert and a newer one.

What have I said here that I did not say there or there other way around? This has nothing to do with trolling. My pictures will prove that. Thank you C-4 for you compliment about my taste in gear. Personal class and tact have nothing to do with this. If we met in person I am sure you would say otherwise. This is the internet and every now and again it is fun to "stir the pot" a little. If you notice I think I posted a total of 5 times in both of those threads combined. Those may have been "troll" threads but this certainly is not. My time on the internet is spiradic. I get the most done with the time I have :thumbsup:

This is also the second thread you've started where you talk about the soldering on your amp. The first time, you said you would post pics. You never did. You then said you were perfectly happy with your amp and you were dropping the "issue." Now, you've brought it up again.

It's not that people "go nuts every time someone has something questionable to say about Diezel." It's the way in which you go about doing so. You even say, "every now and again it is fun to stir the pot." You are a troll and you admit to being so.

Maybe if you took some time to think about what you say, before you say it, you'd be received better.

It's strange that people think that their internet "identity" is somehow different from their real "identity." How you portray yourself is, indeed, how you are. I don't know you in "real life." But, I know you from how you portray and represent yourself here. You may view the internet as an excuse to behave in a way that you normally wouldn't behave in person, but that just shows others how immature you truly are. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Own your words and own your actions. Otherwise, you're just a troll.

It is fun to stir the pot....at HCAF where it is par for the course. How you portray yourself on the internet is how you are? Maybe you my friend but I can assure you that is not that case with everyone. I am not on the internet all day looking to be serious as hell like I have to be in my work life. I could care less how someone looks at me from my posts on an internet forum. It is the internet. I may meet 3 or 3 of you in my entire life. Why would i care if you thought I was "cool" or "mature" or a "troll"? If pictures are what you want I will get them.

Bullshit. How you interact with others is who you are, even on the internet. I see plenty of people who are relaxed, cool and still have fun with things (being silly and shit) online, but there's a line between goofing off and having fun... and being a jackass. You're rapidly showing yourself to be the latter. It's not about whether people think you are cool or mature or not. It's about interacting with others. This is a forum... a place where people come to discuss a certain topic constructively. If you can't or wont participate constructively, maybe you should stick to HCAF.

Don't get me wrong, I post over at HCAF too and I know how fun it is to behave like a jackass sometimes. But, Rig-Talk isn't the place for that.


And for the 10th time that is not what this fucking thread is about. How many times must I say it. When I post the pictures you will be singing a different tune. This thread is NOT a troll. Get that straight. The threads over at HC are fun to watch as everyone goes absolutely apeshit at the mention of Diezel. If you have a wuestion about my character talk to all the epople I have dealt with at TGP, HC, and here, I think jackass will be the furthest word from there mind.

PBGas.....this has no link with the threads over at HC. Is it that hard to realize that it is a completely different atomosphere over there and that a person that posts one way over there may in fact not be the way they really are? This is about dodgy solder joints. Not about Terry and his antics. Go read the OP on those threads....you will find the tone is quite a bit different.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. But, it's hard to take you seriously when you post troll-esque shit on other forums and then come here and act all nice...
 
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