Cameron Amps and the future of the brand...

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Excellent news. To everybody that has issues with Mark it has nothing to do with this new arrangement. It sures sucks, but I highly doubt that Cameron even has those amps, they are long gone if you ask me. It is cool that the people that sent him money will get a CCV this way. That seemed impossible only one month ago...
 
Nico":9djslxs5 said:
Excellent news. To everybody that has issues with Mark it has nothing to do with this new arrangement. It sures sucks, but I highly doubt that Cameron even has those amps, they are long gone if you ask me. It is cool that the people that sent him money will get a CCV this way. That seemed impossible only one month ago...
Why do you think Mark stated that the amps were different based on the parts he could get. Where do you think those parts came from. Brad is doing a both good and smart thing here. Good for all involved financially and ethically. Maybe once Mark is in a better financial place, he will step up and contact the people who sent in money and amps and make ammends. I do believe he has good records and knows who all these people are. So as Brad stated he is your best shot even though he can only suggest to Mark what is the right thing to do.
 
Anyhow....this is a POSITIVE thing in the Cameron land.... :thumbsup:
Brad will get it straightened out on the overdue orders. :yes:
 
King Guitar":1zawew73 said:
Hey Guys,

Here is the update, I am back on the east coast, all is progressing on the Cameron amp distribution front. Mark is going to be building the prototype CCV for production with our assembly team in California at their facility showing them exactly how he wants it done. The parts will be hand picked by Mark for the tone he wants right down to the Cameron Spec Mercury transformers.

Dave Friedman is reviewing the parts list as well and making sure everything is the best we can get for this build. I will be returning to LA on Feb 15 to meet again with the production team and to see/hear/play the CCV production prototype along with Mark, Rob and Dave. Mark will make any adjustments needed and then certify that the design is ready to go into production. From there we will launch an initial run of CCV's and I will open it up to orders once I know for sure the production and ship times.

Also we are adding a FX loop on the CCV as standard not an option as it was before with Mark. The loop is one of the best out there that Dave has been using on the Marshas.

There has been allot of speculation as to pricing of the amps. We have not set the price yet as we need to get a fully accurate assessment of cost for the materials and the production on my next meeting in a few weeks. Our goal is to bring the amp in at $3299 with the loop standard. Hopefully we can hit that target which will position the amp with all of its features and signature Cameron tone at a price point competitive with other similar featured amps out there.

As far as the talk of "they wont be same if Mark doesn't hand make each one", of course there will always be the guys that say that and I am sure back in the day they said that about Henry Ford and his cars. Fact is if your buying almost any of the high end amp lines out there someone is assembling them to the spec of the genius behind the design. That goes for Bogner, Suhr, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, etc...

Mark will be the first to tell you that the CCV's he built one by one varied quite a bit from build to build depending on what parts he could source/afford at the time. Our build will be with the best parts Mark always wanted use on his amps and than hand tuned and voiced by him on the prototype and then just repeated by the production team and hand checked by us on every unit that ships.

Should be real cool. Barring no set backs we hope to be able to get these amps built in the next 60 days. All future Cameron Amplifier orders will go through me. There is not plans for an included footswitch but the jack is universal and any a/b will work.

No options at this time, you get it tricked out in the standard price. Warranty is 1 year parts and labor (excluding tubes). Warranty is done through Tone Merchants and Dave Friedmans Racksystems shop which is one of the best in the world.

I will take no payments for these amps until I know I can deliver them with no delay and with out hassle.

More to come as I have it...


Wow really impressive what you are trying to do. Hope I can pick one of these up in the future, sounds like a great amp. Hopefully there
will be some kind of positive that will come to the people that sent in their amps and cash. Really a great thing you're doing here and I hope it comes to fruition. Good luck.
 
donbarzini":os98w5nj said:
King Guitar":os98w5nj said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
Go on........I am listening.....
 
donbarzini":3vdweimi said:
King Guitar":3vdweimi said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
:lol: :LOL: What the hell? :confused:
 
Anytime I can travel with midgets I do it!
Makes for some good times...
 
donbarzini":agici66y said:
Lp Freak":agici66y said:
donbarzini":agici66y said:
King Guitar":agici66y said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
:lol: :LOL: What the hell? :confused:

that's what I would do, I'd bring a hairstylist and a gimp with me too, as well as a few dwarfs

I have no doubt in my mind that you do have a gimp for just this occasion! :lol: :LOL:
 
tonmazz":2jdzrtu5 said:
donbarzini":2jdzrtu5 said:
Lp Freak":2jdzrtu5 said:
donbarzini":2jdzrtu5 said:
King Guitar":2jdzrtu5 said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
:lol: :LOL: What the hell? :confused:

that's what I would do, I'd bring a hairstylist and a gimp with me too, as well as a few dwarfs

I have no doubt in my mind that you do have a gimp for just this occasion! :lol: :LOL:
"BRING OUT THE GIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!"

:yes:

 
King Guitar":2zgid4et said:
mdc1mdc11":2zgid4et said:
At least I can save the 14 guys who are out $$$ for CCVs they paid for which is more than would of happened if i didn't get involved.

This is what I am referring to as I am one of those 14, not the mods. How is this going to work? What is the plan?
 
mdc1mdc11":3pucn2c6 said:
King Guitar":3pucn2c6 said:
mdc1mdc11":3pucn2c6 said:
At least I can save the 14 guys who are out $$$ for CCVs they paid for which is more than would of happened if i didn't get involved.

This is what I am referring to as I am one of those 14, not the mods. How is this going to work? What is the plan?

If you read the thread its laid out but to recap. As long as I can get this bird off the ground and produced the plan is to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

As we sell new ones the money that is due Mark will go to getting the missing CCV's produced which is the right thing to do seeing how he got the money before and you got no amp. This is not my obligation and I am going to lose a bunch of dough making this wrong right but hopefully I will make it up on the back end, but regardless its the right thing to do and the only way I can see to make you guys whole and get blood from a stone so to speak by generating revenue to dig Mark out of this mess and make sure you guys don't get screwed over.

I just need you "Pre Brad" guys who took the leap of faith with Mark to be patient with me and not kick me in the nuts because you don't get the first amps. I am the calvary here trying to help. I cant get yours paid for until I sell some amps. Make sense?

Hope so, its this or you can chase Mark around Hollywood. ;)

In all seriousness I believe Mark deep down wants to make right he just has no clue how to do so. I am trying to find a way so to speak. In the end it should all work out except for the guys who sent amps in to be modified. I have no answers for them sadly. :doh:
 
King Guitar":3n33d43l said:
mdc1mdc11":3n33d43l said:
King Guitar":3n33d43l said:
mdc1mdc11":3n33d43l said:
to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

Sounds good if that royalty is taken off the top and not managed by Cameron, the original dilemma. Thanks Brad.
 
mdc1mdc11":1npe8381 said:
King Guitar":1npe8381 said:
mdc1mdc11":1npe8381 said:
King Guitar":1npe8381 said:
mdc1mdc11":1npe8381 said:
to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

Sounds good if that royalty is taken off the top and not managed by Cameron, the original dilemma. Thanks Brad.

Nothing is managed by Cameron other than the design.
 
mdc1mdc11":2a22gufy said:
King Guitar":2a22gufy said:
mdc1mdc11":2a22gufy said:
King Guitar":2a22gufy said:
mdc1mdc11":2a22gufy said:
to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

Sounds good if that royalty is taken off the top and not managed by Cameron, the original dilemma. Thanks Brad.
Mark has to live also or this doesn't work. He needs his rent money, food, etc..He has to receive some monies for this or he would never agree to it.
 
glip22":2rp9ayl4 said:
mdc1mdc11":2rp9ayl4 said:
King Guitar":2rp9ayl4 said:
mdc1mdc11":2rp9ayl4 said:
King Guitar":2rp9ayl4 said:
mdc1mdc11":2rp9ayl4 said:
to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

Sounds good if that royalty is taken off the top and not managed by Cameron, the original dilemma. Thanks Brad.
Mark has to live also or this doesn't work. He needs his rent money, food, etc..He has to receive some monies for this or he would never agree to it.

correct, Mark wants this to work and is full on to take very minimal royalties in the beginning until he is caught up on the amps he committed to deliver before I came along and did not. He is not living the high life. He will get some to $ to live but the bear share will get him upright and then once that is sorted he will be in a win/win lucrative deal. I made sure it was that way.
 
Mailman1971":nb3yzh6y said:
donbarzini":nb3yzh6y said:
King Guitar":nb3yzh6y said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
Go on........I am listening.....

Man, just got up to my morning coffee and a catch up on RT. Now, I got this vision that will be stuck in my head all day....... :gethim:
 
steve_k":1mxykxdz said:
Mailman1971":1mxykxdz said:
donbarzini":1mxykxdz said:
King Guitar":1mxykxdz said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
Go on........I am listening.....

Man, just got up to my morning coffee and a catch up on RT. Now, I got this vision that will be stuck in my head all day....... :gethim:


that shit's jacked up! I hope they're only kidding! :checkthisout:
 
Glad it is working out for you Brad. When you sold your business and decided to deal gear, you damn sure hit the ground running with the best amp line in the world, Diezel - and the most controversial, Cameron, at the other end of the spectrum. Hopefully, you are protected by legally in the state of Calexico and that nobody can come back on the new company after the default of the old company for past commitments, revenue, taxes, etc. I never thought I would see Rob and Friedman anywhere near a Cameron connection though.

Steve
 
tubebury51":308m98fb said:
steve_k":308m98fb said:
Mailman1971":308m98fb said:
donbarzini":308m98fb said:
King Guitar":308m98fb said:
I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options

or give him a stiff kick in the ass wearing steel toed work boots while he's bending over fully nude only wearing tan Birkenstocks with his hair tied up in a bun and his beard in cornrows
Go on........I am listening.....

Man, just got up to my morning coffee and a catch up on RT. Now, I got this vision that will be stuck in my head all day....... :gethim:


that shit's jacked up! I hope they're only kidding! :checkthisout:

Which part....the steel toed boot action or Mark fully nude in Birks, hair in a bun and beard in cornrows?
 
King Guitar":3po8mozi said:
glip22":3po8mozi said:
mdc1mdc11":3po8mozi said:
King Guitar":3po8mozi said:
mdc1mdc11":3po8mozi said:
King Guitar":3po8mozi said:
mdc1mdc11":3po8mozi said:
to take Marks royalty due on the new builds I produce and sell and put that money towards the 14 or so guys who paid Mark long ago and didn't get an amp.

Sounds good if that royalty is taken off the top and not managed by Cameron, the original dilemma. Thanks Brad.
Mark has to live also or this doesn't work. He needs his rent money, food, etc..He has to receive some monies for this or he would never agree to it.

correct, Mark wants this to work and is full on to take very minimal royalties in the beginning until he is caught up on the amps he committed to deliver before I came along and did not. He is not living the high life. He will get some to $ to live but the bear share will get him upright and then once that is sorted he will be in a win/win lucrative deal. I made sure it was that way.

Brad, you sir deserve a round of applause.

even more so Dave Friedman and all of Tone Merchants.
:clap: :salute:
 
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