Cameron Amps and the future of the brand...

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Digital Jams":1jy5sv0d said:
Gear flipper futures desk is already open I see :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys:


Brad, upcharge the forum cred flippers for faster delivery times!!! :lol: :LOL: :lol: :LOL:

Yep, look at 'em go. :lol: :LOL:
 
So...my only question is...will we still get to see Mark stop in now and then to tell people to fuck off?
 
It will be interesting to see what pricing turns out to be... obviously there are alot of comparable amps out there so I would guess you'll see things in the same price range, but as has been said with the various people involved who are taking on the risk of getting this venture off the ground, there has to be enough profit priced in to make it worth their while. Props to Brad, Dave & Rob for trying to put this whole thing together. :rock:
 
psychodave":23vgkazi said:
joepete77":23vgkazi said:
psychodave":23vgkazi said:
Wow, I hope it works out. I would love another CCV and a CCM :D

I surprised with Friedmans involvement and how that will affect the CCV's price point considering he has his own successful amp line... which will be competition with the Cameron CCV and other potential Cameron products. When Mark was actually building amps his price was $2,700-$2,900. In his desperate times, he only charged me $2,500. With all of the people involved I assume the price point will now be around $3,500 or more. I know this is purly speculation on my part...and not any of my business, but as a potential customer, it makes me curious. :)
Considering the risk and wait and that some had to pay twice for 1 amp at 3k a piece if they got one at all, spending 3500 with brad and getting a warrantied amp with quality inspection, rear panel, and power cord sounds like the deal of the century!! :lol: :LOL: Seriously, this new turn of events sounds like the best thing for everyone, hope it works out.

Okay, take off the rear panel, give no warranty and charge me $2,500. I will take two (provided they are built as well as Mark built mine) ;) :lol: :LOL: BTW, I got the power cord and foot switch with mine so that needs to be included as well. :D

I STILL need a footswitch w LEDS! :lol: :LOL:
 
I have an amp mod I would like to get back finished or not. I would gladly pay shipping, let me know if you can help, Brad. I would really appreciate it.
 
Strat+Marshall":3u3ukfg6 said:
I have an amp mod I would like to get back finished or not. I would gladly pay shipping, let me know if you can help, Brad. I would really appreciate it.

Guys,

I have gotten lots of questions & requests from guys trying to get back their old mod jobs they sent to Mark. Please know my ONLY involvement with Mark is the new amps and getting his designs built. I am not privy to any thing he does really or his past screwed up business. I am doing my best to get a workable solution to guys who sent money for new amps and of course I twill tell Mark to send back any outstanding work he has but as far as breaking into his place and finding peoples heads, that is more than I can do. I am on your side and will keep pushing for it but please understand Mark is not my partner and I don't have any magical powers to make things happen with him, just like everybody before me who stuck their head in the oven with this situation. Hope you guys understand.

Brad
 
Hey Guys,

Here is the update, I am back on the east coast, all is progressing on the Cameron amp distribution front. Mark is going to be building the prototype CCV for production with our assembly team in California at their facility showing them exactly how he wants it done. The parts will be hand picked by Mark for the tone he wants right down to the Cameron Spec Mercury transformers.

Dave Friedman is reviewing the parts list as well and making sure everything is the best we can get for this build. I will be returning to LA on Feb 15 to meet again with the production team and to see/hear/play the CCV production prototype along with Mark, Rob and Dave. Mark will make any adjustments needed and then certify that the design is ready to go into production. From there we will launch an initial run of CCV's and I will open it up to orders once I know for sure the production and ship times.

Also we are adding a FX loop on the CCV as standard not an option as it was before with Mark. The loop is one of the best out there that Dave has been using on the Marshas.

There has been allot of speculation as to pricing of the amps. We have not set the price yet as we need to get a fully accurate assessment of cost for the materials and the production on my next meeting in a few weeks. Our goal is to bring the amp in at $3299 with the loop standard. Hopefully we can hit that target which will position the amp with all of its features and signature Cameron tone at a price point competitive with other similar featured amps out there.

As far as the talk of "they wont be same if Mark doesn't hand make each one", of course there will always be the guys that say that and I am sure back in the day they said that about Henry Ford and his cars. Fact is if your buying almost any of the high end amp lines out there someone is assembling them to the spec of the genius behind the design. That goes for Bogner, Suhr, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, etc...

Mark will be the first to tell you that the CCV's he built one by one varied quite a bit from build to build depending on what parts he could source/afford at the time. Our build will be with the best parts Mark always wanted use on his amps and than hand tuned and voiced by him on the prototype and then just repeated by the production team and hand checked by us on every unit that ships.

Should be real cool. Barring no set backs we hope to be able to get these amps built in the next 60 days. All future Cameron Amplifier orders will go through me. There is not plans for an included footswitch but the jack is universal and any a/b will work.

No options at this time, you get it tricked out in the standard price. Warranty is 1 year parts and labor (excluding tubes). Warranty is done through Tone Merchants and Dave Friedmans Racksystems shop which is one of the best in the world.

I will take no payments for these amps until I know I can deliver them with no delay and with out hassle.

More to come as I have it...
 
It sounds like it will come together. Excellent job Brad. I've posted several times about someone stepping in with financial backing and taking the reins for Mark. Why let his talent be wasted and destroyed in poor practices? I was told that the amps did differ in tone from build to build. Some much better than others. Consintency is definitely important. Once this gets rolling I can see customer options on the preamp designs. Same chasis, faceplates, etc. for production but the customer can choose, Ocean, Aldrich, Custom 45, and new designs Mark comes up with, and in combinations, etc. Great work!!! Mark must be feeling very happy. Get those amps sold. Take care of the old customers and... :rock:
 
:rock: :rock:

I'm hoping that when King Guitar is established, there will be a new Cameron to check out!
 
King Guitar":13fyjfje said:
Hey Guys,

Here is the update, I am back on the east coast, all is progressing on the Cameron amp distribution front. Mark is going to be building the prototype CCV for production with our assembly team in California at their facility showing them exactly how he wants it done. The parts will be hand picked by Mark for the tone he wants right down to the Cameron Spec Mercury transformers.

Dave Friedman is reviewing the parts list as well and making sure everything is the best we can get for this build. I will be returning to LA on Feb 15 to meet again with the production team and to see/hear/play the CCV production prototype along with Mark, Rob and Dave. Mark will make any adjustments needed and then certify that the design is ready to go into production. From there we will launch an initial run of CCV's and I will open it up to orders once I know for sure the production and ship times.

Also we are adding a FX loop on the CCV as standard not an option as it was before with Mark. The loop is one of the best out there that Dave has been using on the Marshas.

There has been allot of speculation as to pricing of the amps. We have not set the price yet as we need to get a fully accurate assessment of cost for the materials and the production on my next meeting in a few weeks. Our goal is to bring the amp in at $3299 with the loop standard. Hopefully we can hit that target which will position the amp with all of its features and signature Cameron tone at a price point competitive with other similar featured amps out there.

As far as the talk of "they wont be same if Mark doesn't hand make each one", of course there will always be the guys that say that and I am sure back in the day they said that about Henry Ford and his cars. Fact is if your buying almost any of the high end amp lines out there someone is assembling them to the spec of the genius behind the design. That goes for Bogner, Suhr, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, etc...

Mark will be the first to tell you that the CCV's he built one by one varied quite a bit from build to build depending on what parts he could source/afford at the time. Our build will be with the best parts Mark always wanted use on his amps and than hand tuned and voiced by him on the prototype and then just repeated by the production team and hand checked by us on every unit that ships.

Should be real cool. Barring no set backs we hope to be able to get these amps built in the next 60 days. I will take no payments for these amps until I know I can deliver them with no delay and with out hassle.

More to come as I have it...

Great news man. :thumbsup: Standardizing them is the only way to really do this right.
 
psychodave":2dqj1wb7 said:
This is good news. Thanks for helping out getting this amazing amp to production. :thumbsup:

I am not sure about the original amps varying much...I played mine...which is one of the last amps Mark personally built against his number 3 build and they sounded 99% the same which was killer sounding. :lol: :LOL: I have played at least 5 CCV and they all sounded killer and the same. I consider differences to be more in the tubes than the production. Then we can getting into the bias argument, etc etc :thumbsup:

Brad, is the new CCV going to have a pentode/triode switch and the 3 way gain switch on the front? Is the loop going to be an insert loop or a tube loop?

Also, is there any talk about a CCM?
I thought Brad said the loop was going to be the Metro loop that Dave uses?
 
King Guitar":fc7j83zx said:
Hey Guys,

Here is the update, I am back on the east coast, all is progressing on the Cameron amp distribution front. Mark is going to be building the prototype CCV for production with our assembly team in California at their facility showing them exactly how he wants it done. The parts will be hand picked by Mark for the tone he wants right down to the Cameron Spec Mercury transformers.

Dave Friedman is reviewing the parts list as well and making sure everything is the best we can get for this build. I will be returning to LA on Feb 15 to meet again with the production team and to see/hear/play the CCV production prototype along with Mark, Rob and Dave. Mark will make any adjustments needed and then certify that the design is ready to go into production. From there we will launch an initial run of CCV's and I will open it up to orders once I know for sure the production and ship times.

Also we are adding a FX loop on the CCV as standard not an option as it was before with Mark. The loop is one of the best out there that Dave has been using on the Marshas.

There has been allot of speculation as to pricing of the amps. We have not set the price yet as we need to get a fully accurate assessment of cost for the materials and the production on my next meeting in a few weeks. Our goal is to bring the amp in at $3299 with the loop standard. Hopefully we can hit that target which will position the amp with all of its features and signature Cameron tone at a price point competitive with other similar featured amps out there.

As far as the talk of "they wont be same if Mark doesn't hand make each one", of course there will always be the guys that say that and I am sure back in the day they said that about Henry Ford and his cars. Fact is if your buying almost any of the high end amp lines out there someone is assembling them to the spec of the genius behind the design. That goes for Bogner, Suhr, Marshall, Mesa Boogie, etc...

Mark will be the first to tell you that the CCV's he built one by one varied quite a bit from build to build depending on what parts he could source/afford at the time. Our build will be with the best parts Mark always wanted use on his amps and than hand tuned and voiced by him on the prototype and then just repeated by the production team and hand checked by us on every unit that ships.

Should be real cool. Barring no set backs we hope to be able to get these amps built in the next 60 days. All future Cameron Amplifier orders will go through me. There is not plans for an included footswitch but the jack is universal and any a/b will work.

No options at this time, you get it tricked out in the standard price. Warranty is 1 year parts and labor (excluding tubes). Warranty is done through Tone Merchants and Dave Friedmans Racksystems shop which is one of the best in the world.

I will take no payments for these amps until I know I can deliver them with no delay and with out hassle.

More to come as I have it...


Based on the developments from last week, can you elaborate more on how Mark Cameron is going to resolve existing customer orders that he did not deliver on? I don't see any coverage here. What is Mark going to do personally to be accountable for existing customers? After everyone here has taken a victory lap this remains a big issue for which no clarity or plan exists?
 
psychodave":226o82i0 said:
This is good news. Thanks for helping out getting this amazing amp to production. :thumbsup:

I am not sure about the original amps varying much...I played mine...which is one of the last amps Mark personally built against his number 3 build and they sounded 99% the same which was killer sounding. :lol: :LOL: I have played at least 5 CCV and they all sounded killer and the same. I consider differences to be more in the tubes than the production. Then we can getting into the bias argument, etc etc :thumbsup:

Brad, is the new CCV going to have a pentode/triode switch and the 3 way gain switch on the front? Is the loop going to be an insert loop or a tube loop?

Also, is there any talk about a CCM?

Hey Dave,

it will have all the latest CCV revisions Mark designed to include pentode/triode, 3 way gain switch, will have to check with Dave and Mark on the loop. yes plans do call for the CCM as well but that is a ways off and not fully developed by Mark yet.
 
Lp Freak":3tvx3qwe said:
psychodave":3tvx3qwe said:
This is good news. Thanks for helping out getting this amazing amp to production. :thumbsup:

I am not sure about the original amps varying much...I played mine...which is one of the last amps Mark personally built against his number 3 build and they sounded 99% the same which was killer sounding. :lol: :LOL: I have played at least 5 CCV and they all sounded killer and the same. I consider differences to be more in the tubes than the production. Then we can getting into the bias argument, etc etc :thumbsup:

Brad, is the new CCV going to have a pentode/triode switch and the 3 way gain switch on the front? Is the loop going to be an insert loop or a tube loop?

Also, is there any talk about a CCM?
I thought Brad said the loop was going to be the Metro loop that Dave uses?

This is a great loop BTW, I put one in my 78 JMP about 6 months ago with help from the guys on the Metro board.
 
mdc1mdc11":2raswuqf said:
Based on the developments from last week, can you elaborate more on how Mark Cameron is going to resolve existing customer orders that he did not deliver on? I don't see any coverage here. What is Mark going to do personally to be accountable for existing customers? After everyone here has taken a victory lap this remains a big issue for which no clarity or plan exists?

Once again I don't quite know how to say it any clearer. I am not in business with Mark and he is not a partner with me. The Cameron Amp production partnership is myself, Dave Friedman and Rob Navarrette both of Tone Merchants/RackSystems Ltd. We have made arrangements to license his designs for this and future models. I am trying to save 14 guys who lost their dough to Mark for new amps not because I have to but because it's the right thing to do and I can. I am highly sympathetic to guys who sent their amps in long ago to Mark and got nothing, I would be pissed and would seek legal recourse if I had no other options. That said I don't have the ability to make your amp you sent I'n magically appear. I just don't. Mark is not my buddy, business partner or anybody I have influence over. I am on a highwire my own damn self trying to get the production amp produced with limited contact with Mark who is not very assessable to you or me. I don't like it and told him if he has the amps he damn sure should send them back to their owners. I have my doubts if he even has them. I am no apologist for the way Mark handled his business, it sucked.

At least I can save the 14 guys who are out $$$ for CCVs they paid for which is more than would of happened if i didn't get involved. I will keep pressure Mark to return the amp mods if he has them. I am not sure what else I could be expected to do.
 
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