Church of Scientology's 'Operating Thetan' documents leaked

[ejecta]

If Jesus is cool with doing blow and beating up hookers than Im cool with Jesus.

The Lord sayeth, "No, I am not cool with doing blow and beating up hookers."

Please make a note of this.

Steve

 

[Ultron]

If Jesus is cool with doing blow and beating up hookers than Im cool with Jesus.

I lol'd

 

[defpearlpilot]

the idea that scientology has anything to do with the concept of "church" is sad and misleading. the further in you dig the more menacing it gets.

i also observe an amazing amount of dialogue either rejecting or flat out insulting the Christian faith, which when it happens, compels me to speak.

when you dig in to the very start of life and matter, and the biblical idea of God "creating the heavens and earth" (creation theory),

and then fail to observe how today *modern* science believes a "big bang" theory suggests all matter emanating from one central staring point, singularity, is totally in line with creation theory---ie God is the answer to "singularity" scientists are trying to find--

but are too proud or stubborn to accept that a silly ancient book full of fairy tales had it right all along, and that it makes no sense that someone could have predicted something so sophisticated or advanced back then...when it took generations of work from the best minds on the planet to scientifically get to this point...

unless perhaps the Creator Himself gave them the information as a means to prove His existence to a fallen generation thousands of years in the future,

it points out one of the greatest "i told you so's" of all time in my opinion.

Omnipresence...the ability to be in multiple places in multiple points in time at once. fiction???

Consider a scientist who looks at a star exploding millions of miles away through a telescope. He is experiencing an event in his version of "now" which actually occurred in the "past", delayed by the limitations the speed of light presents.
two separate and distinct events, occurring maybe hundreds or thousands of years apart, yet seemingly connected to the present??

a no brainer for God who not only created all things but TIME itself.

So Jesus walking on water, or changing water to wine, or calming a stormy sea, or withering a fig tree, or bringing the dead to life, or materializing or disappearing in front of hundreds of witnesses, or multiplying baskets of fish and bread, or healing the blind, or casting out demons, or predicting the future, dying for our sins and conquering death itself,

or coming back to set this wretched world straight,

seems not only believable, but fitting and just for the son of the Creator of the universe.


ahh..now i'm happy again

The thing is that the "creator" was known to the ancient Egyptians long before the Jews or the Christians came about. And who knows what civilization the Egyptians got it from.

 

[defpearlpilot]

If Jesus is cool with doing blow and beating up hookers than Im cool with Jesus.

The Lord sayeth, "No, I am not cool with doing blow and beating up hookers."

Please make a note of this.

Steve

Good thing at least Jesus was down with hookers!! Beating them up was a no no!

 

[ejecta]

the idea that scientology has anything to do with the concept of "church" is sad and misleading. the further in you dig the more menacing it gets.

i also observe an amazing amount of dialogue either rejecting or flat out insulting the Christian faith, which when it happens, compels me to speak.

when you dig in to the very start of life and matter, and the biblical idea of God "creating the heavens and earth" (creation theory),

and then fail to observe how today *modern* science believes a "big bang" theory suggests all matter emanating from one central staring point, singularity, is totally in line with creation theory---ie God is the answer to "singularity" scientists are trying to find--

but are too proud or stubborn to accept that a silly ancient book full of fairy tales had it right all along, and that it makes no sense that someone could have predicted something so sophisticated or advanced back then...when it took generations of work from the best minds on the planet to scientifically get to this point...

unless perhaps the Creator Himself gave them the information as a means to prove His existence to a fallen generation thousands of years in the future,

it points out one of the greatest "i told you so's" of all time in my opinion.

Omnipresence...the ability to be in multiple places in multiple points in time at once. fiction???

Consider a scientist who looks at a star exploding millions of miles away through a telescope. He is experiencing an event in his version of "now" which actually occurred in the "past", delayed by the limitations the speed of light presents.
two separate and distinct events, occurring maybe hundreds or thousands of years apart, yet seemingly connected to the present??

a no brainer for God who not only created all things but TIME itself.

So Jesus walking on water, or changing water to wine, or calming a stormy sea, or withering a fig tree, or bringing the dead to life, or materializing or disappearing in front of hundreds of witnesses, or multiplying baskets of fish and bread, or healing the blind, or casting out demons, or predicting the future, dying for our sins and conquering death itself,

or coming back to set this wretched world straight,

seems not only believable, but fitting and just for the son of the Creator of the universe.


ahh..now i'm happy again

The thing is that the "creator" was known to the ancient Egyptians long before the Jews or the Christians came about. And who knows what civilization the Egyptians got it from.

Maybe from the first people created by God.

 

[defpearlpilot]

the idea that scientology has anything to do with the concept of "church" is sad and misleading. the further in you dig the more menacing it gets.

i also observe an amazing amount of dialogue either rejecting or flat out insulting the Christian faith, which when it happens, compels me to speak.

when you dig in to the very start of life and matter, and the biblical idea of God "creating the heavens and earth" (creation theory),

and then fail to observe how today *modern* science believes a "big bang" theory suggests all matter emanating from one central staring point, singularity, is totally in line with creation theory---ie God is the answer to "singularity" scientists are trying to find--

but are too proud or stubborn to accept that a silly ancient book full of fairy tales had it right all along, and that it makes no sense that someone could have predicted something so sophisticated or advanced back then...when it took generations of work from the best minds on the planet to scientifically get to this point...

unless perhaps the Creator Himself gave them the information as a means to prove His existence to a fallen generation thousands of years in the future,

it points out one of the greatest "i told you so's" of all time in my opinion.

Omnipresence...the ability to be in multiple places in multiple points in time at once. fiction???

Consider a scientist who looks at a star exploding millions of miles away through a telescope. He is experiencing an event in his version of "now" which actually occurred in the "past", delayed by the limitations the speed of light presents.
two separate and distinct events, occurring maybe hundreds or thousands of years apart, yet seemingly connected to the present??

a no brainer for God who not only created all things but TIME itself.

So Jesus walking on water, or changing water to wine, or calming a stormy sea, or withering a fig tree, or bringing the dead to life, or materializing or disappearing in front of hundreds of witnesses, or multiplying baskets of fish and bread, or healing the blind, or casting out demons, or predicting the future, dying for our sins and conquering death itself,

or coming back to set this wretched world straight,

seems not only believable, but fitting and just for the son of the Creator of the universe.


ahh..now i'm happy again

The thing is that the "creator" was known to the ancient Egyptians long before the Jews or the Christians came about. And who knows what civilization the Egyptians got it from.

Maybe from the first people created by God.

Haha! Touche!

 

[ejecta]

Haha! Touche!

I may not be smart but I am a thinker.

 

[strungup]

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Oh I agree that its good to have non heated rational discussions. I dont know why those from either side get mad. I find these discussions facinating. Anyway, on to your "faith is something that cant be apealed to by logic." Im not so sure that's always true. For example, if you walked up to this new sports car that's really really cool looking. It has a sleak aerodynamic body, pop the hood and there is one of the fastest engines youve seen.... one thing you would do is look for an emblem to find out who makes the car because the maker of the car isnt anywhere near the car to tell you about it. Any logical person wouldnt IMHO just look at the car and say "Wow! Isnt it amazing that this car evolved out of nothing because I cant see the maker of the car." At that point you would just have faith in the maker of the car existance becasue they couldnt be seen at the moment. A car's complexity pails in comparision to the complexity of the DNA code which is a basic building block of a very functioning dynamic ecosystem and to life itself. To think this all just happend isnt logical to me.

I am not saying that I don't believe in God as a creator, but this explanation by itself does not really have an end. Yes a human life form is very complex but to say that God exists because something that complex exists doesn't work. Wouldn't God be even more complex? If we then except that God exists we must except that God has a creator by this definition alone.

 

[ejecta]

I am not saying that I don't believe in God as a creator, but this explanation by itself does not really have an end. Yes a human life form is very complex but to say that God exists because something that complex exists doesn't work. Wouldn't God be even more complex? If we then except that God exists we must except that God has a creator by this definition alone.

This is true but my point in using that as an illustration was to show that faith, ie believing in the unseen, doesnt always take away all logic.

 

[Anonymous]

This is true but my point in using that as an illustration was to show that faith, ie believing in the unseen, doesnt always take away all logic.

I see your point, but the sports car analogy did not illustrate this at all... Please see my previous response to your post...

Steve

 

[Gitfiddler]

speaking of cults,etc, remember David Koresh and the Waco ordeal several years ago? I remember interviews with him where in the background, you'd see several guitars and several carvin full stacks. Some of his priorities were straight

 

[defpearlpilot]

I am not saying that I don't believe in God as a creator, but this explanation by itself does not really have an end. Yes a human life form is very complex but to say that God exists because something that complex exists doesn't work. Wouldn't God be even more complex? If we then except that God exists we must except that God has a creator by this definition alone.

This is true but my point in using that as an illustration was to show that faith, ie believing in the unseen, doesnt always take away all logic.

I didn't mean to imply that at all. But I'm just saying that certain defenses that "faithful" have are absent of logic or evidence. It's based on a feeling. And you're right that some science does require faith to believe.

BTW, there are some cool videos on youtube that explain pretty well how evolution. "Survival of the fittest" doesn't mean those that dominate are "more fit." Fittest means a mutation that is favorable or works.. not dominant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0

BTW, there is already evidence that human jaws have already evolved to be weaker than our ancestors. I'd have to dig up the article that I read.

 

[bunghole]

speaking of cults,etc, remember David Koresh and the Waco ordeal several years ago? I remember interviews with him where in the background, you'd see several guitars and several carvin full stacks. Some of his priorities were straight

hahahahaha

and btw, overall I agree with jughead, discussing religion usually ends up taking a bad turn

http://www.survivinggrady.com/uploaded_ ... 770479.gif

 

[Juggernaut]

Jughead huh?







Stumbled upon this, thought it was......interestingly funny.

 

[Pepi]

I haven't read this yet, but I have read other leaked documents from Scientology and man, those guys are freaking weirdos. I can't believe anyone would fall for that crap. The religion was invented by a science fiction writer. He talks about space wars and how we came from aliens. All kinds of idiotic stuff that only fruitcakes would believe. Sorry, but that's how I feel.

I've convinced myself that the nutjob science fiction writer meant for this to be a fictional story in the beginning.

Chris

Not that I disagree...but can't the same be said for the majorities of organized religions?

Big +1 "Please Lord ... Protect me from your followers"

 

[cibyl]

I haven't read this yet, but I have read other leaked documents from Scientology and man, those guys are freaking weirdos. I can't believe anyone would fall for that crap. The religion was invented by a science fiction writer. He talks about space wars and how we came from aliens. All kinds of idiotic stuff that only fruitcakes would believe. Sorry, but that's how I feel.

I've convinced myself that the nutjob science fiction writer meant for this to be a fictional story in the beginning.

Chris

Are the stories and circumstances surrounding Scientology anymore weird, strange or crazy sounding than any other organized Religion? Me thinks not.

 

[Copperhead]

This thread is pissing off my inner Thetans.

 

[Gitfiddler]

Are the stories and circumstances surrounding Scientology anymore weird, strange or crazy sounding than any other organized Religion? Me thinks not.

Keep reading. This entire thread is more or less about that topic.

But yes, I do think that people believing in these crazy Scientology stories is ridiculous. Why? Because we're in a time now where we know alot more than they knew thousands of years ago when many other religions were started. To believe in people from space and stuff thousands of years ago seems more reasonable to me, since nobody knew anything about anything. But now that we have science and all kinds of other crap, we know much more about most things. So I'm amazed when someone believes in this stupid Scientology stuff nowadays.

And FWIW, I also think alot of the other more recent religions are full of nutjobs too. For example, the Mormons. That's another recent religion based on far out facts with a leader that was in it for the money and sex. At least, that's how I understand it. Same thing with Jim Jones, the Heavens Gate freaks, the Branch Dividians, etc... There's alot of this going on.

Chris

What's the religious climate like in St Louis? I grew up 1 state east of you, and everybody had (has) Jesus up their ass.

 

[Gitfiddler]

What's the religious climate like in St Louis? I grew up 1 state east of you, and everybody had (has) Jesus up their ass.

You can't shake a stick without hitting a Catholic.

What a shame

 

[tweed]

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