Did Dave Friedman find the josé mods behind Van Halen 1 ?

[TheBiggestJerk]

I don’t think there’s actually any mod. I think Ed and Jose punk’d everybody and put a placebo switch on Ed’s amp to fuck with ALL of ya’s… and it worked.
Ed is the GOAT because simply he had the ultimate tone in his hands and playing. Y’all wasting your lives chasing leprechauns.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

So there are two stories here - the one from Rudy where Randy was going to do Speak and then a third studio album. And then the one from Andrew Klein where Speak would have fulfilled Randy's obligation and that would have been considered the third album. For those that don't know, Klein was very close with Delores.

Klein has a massive amount of documentation because he was the other half of putting the biography together - tensions were so bad between Ozzy/Sharon and Randy that he just wanted out which most everyone knows. He was massively against recording an all Sabbath album but Sharon and Ozzy convinced him to do it on the basis that it would fulfill his obligation to them. Tensions had been bad pretty much once Sharon made Blizzard a solo project. Once Ozzy slugged Randy, then they both insisted on doing the Speak album as a money grab to fill their pockets, dude was done.

Recording Speak was all about putting royalties in Ozzy's pocket, Sabbath as well they released a live album afterwards. The original publishing deal with management had expired and it was a way both parties could make money quickly.

I've come to despise Ozzy and Sharon. It's all about greed to them. But his name was the reason we have incredible music from Randy, Jake and even Zakk. Horrible people though and the main reason that as long as they are alive there will never be a proper documentary on Randy.

I also find that everyone let's lovable fumbly mumbly Ozzy off the hook.. almost like he hides behind this facade of being this incompetent simp of a man who is forced on stage by his wife and management and has zero control over anything. They didn't even blink an eye after Randy died and were probably making plans for any replacement that same day. Ozzy somehow can't say " no" to anyone, he's a victim! When in reality he is spoiled, surrounded by handlers, selfish, and profited massively on the backs of other people including Zakk who he conveniently didn't bother contacting for years while they toured with Gus. Yes the gig opens doors but it also sets you up for having your songs and credits stolen and being dropped at a moment's notice. They really are not good people when it comes down to it. Sharon will go on the view and have all sorts of things to say about ethics and politics yet she has no problem stealing from other musicians. What they did to Lynch stringing him along was pretty terrible. I would have loved to have seen what Schenker did with Ozzy if MSG hadn't taken off. Two alcoholics who were prone to fits of booze rage touring together? I bet Schenker would have lasted a month before punching Ozzy out.

 

[jabps]

I also find that everyone let's lovable fumbly mumbly Ozzy off the hook.. almost like he hides behind this facade of being this incompetent simp of a man who is forced on stage by his wife and management and has zero control over anything. They didn't even blink an eye after Randy died and were probably making plans for any replacement that same day. Ozzy somehow can't say " no" to anyone, he's a victim! When in reality he is spoiled, surrounded by handlers, selfish, and profited massively on the backs of other people including Zakk who he conveniently didn't bother contacting for years while they toured with Gus. Yes the gig opens doors but it also sets you up for having your songs and credits stolen and being dropped at a moment's notice. They really are not good people when it comes down to it. Sharon will go on the view and have all sorts of things to say about ethics and politics yet she has no problem stealing from other musicians. What they did to Lynch stringing him along was pretty terrible. I would have loved to have seen what Schenker did with Ozzy if MSG hadn't taken off. Two alcoholics who were prone to fits of booze rage touring together? I bet Schenker would have lasted a month before punching Ozzy out.

Totally agree. When I hear Oz tunes I literally have to listen to it as a band and he's just the vehicle for singing. With the Randy stuff it takes me back to a great learning time as a guitarist and how RR changed my path with playing. I just listened to some live boots and sometimes it's crazy how good he was and sometimes he's as sloppy as any of us but it puts a smile on my face. I also love the way he plays the old Sabbath stuff, almost like he was giving the finger to Ozzy and Sharon every night.

I was just reading some more stuff from Klein and most RR fans have seen the Entertainment Tonight stuff where they filmed rehearsal. Rumor is there is more and in fact even a pro shot recording for that night's show but who knows where that is. Basically as Klein tells it as RR was leaving rehearsal he got into an argument with the tour manager, telling him to tell Sharon pay me what you owe or I walk right now. See that is the stuff that Ozzy and Sharon don't want out there but none of this should be surprising because of how badly they treated Jake. For years fans had this view that Randy was held in a different regard by them but that's completely false, they looked at him no differently than how they looked at Jake. I have little doubt had RR left they would've fucked him and Delores over but him dying was too public.

You know with Van Halen, crazy stuff as well but they were actually a band. Drama always follows bands and for some once that layer is pulled back it's hard for them to understand they're all just human. But Ozzy and Sharon, whole different category of shit people.

 

[dcburn]

Totally agree. When I hear Oz tunes I literally have to listen to it as a band and he's just the vehicle for singing. With the Randy stuff it takes me back to a great learning time as a guitarist and how RR changed my path with playing. I just listened to some live boots and sometimes it's crazy how good he was and sometimes he's as sloppy as any of us but it puts a smile on my face. I also love the way he plays the old Sabbath stuff, almost like he was giving the finger to Ozzy and Sharon every night.

I was just reading some more stuff from Klein and most RR fans have seen the Entertainment Tonight stuff where they filmed rehearsal. Rumor is there is more and in fact even a pro shot recording for that night's show but who knows where that is. Basically as Klein tells it as RR was leaving rehearsal he got into an argument with the tour manager, telling him to tell Sharon pay me what you owe or I walk right now. See that is the stuff that Ozzy and Sharon don't want out there but none of this should be surprising because of how badly they treated Jake. For years fans had this view that Randy was held in a different regard by them but that's completely false, they looked at him no differently than how they looked at Jake. I have little doubt had RR left they would've fucked him and Delores over but him dying was too public.

You know with Van Halen, crazy stuff as well but they were actually a band. Drama always follows bands and for some once that layer is pulled back it's hard for them to understand they're all just human. But Ozzy and Sharon, whole different category of shit people.

With Randy dead, Ozzy and Sharon’s time in front of cameras “loving on Randy” were able to create their own narrative…
But Jake can and does still talk!

 

[hammered]

So there are two stories here - the one from Rudy where Randy was going to do Speak and then a third studio album. And then the one from Andrew Klein where Speak would have fulfilled Randy's obligation and that would have been considered the third album. For those that don't know, Klein was very close with Delores.

Klein has a massive amount of documentation because he was the other half of putting the biography together - tensions were so bad between Ozzy/Sharon and Randy that he just wanted out which most everyone knows. He was massively against recording an all Sabbath album but Sharon and Ozzy convinced him to do it on the basis that it would fulfill his obligation to them. Tensions had been bad pretty much once Sharon made Blizzard a solo project. Once Ozzy slugged Randy, then they both insisted on doing the Speak album as a money grab to fill their pockets, dude was done.

Recording Speak was all about putting royalties in Ozzy's pocket, Sabbath as well they released a live album afterwards. The original publishing deal with management had expired and it was a way both parties could make money quickly.

I've come to despise Ozzy and Sharon. It's all about greed to them. But his name was the reason we have incredible music from Randy, Jake and even Zakk. Horrible people though and the main reason that as long as they are alive there will never be a proper documentary on Randy.

Yeah, the only info I've read came from Rudy`s book. I don't think Rudy mentions in the book Ozzy slugging Randy though

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

Totally agree. When I hear Oz tunes I literally have to listen to it as a band and he's just the vehicle for singing. With the Randy stuff it takes me back to a great learning time as a guitarist and how RR changed my path with playing. I just listened to some live boots and sometimes it's crazy how good he was and sometimes he's as sloppy as any of us but it puts a smile on my face. I also love the way he plays the old Sabbath stuff, almost like he was giving the finger to Ozzy and Sharon every night.

I was just reading some more stuff from Klein and most RR fans have seen the Entertainment Tonight stuff where they filmed rehearsal. Rumor is there is more and in fact even a pro shot recording for that night's show but who knows where that is. Basically as Klein tells it as RR was leaving rehearsal he got into an argument with the tour manager, telling him to tell Sharon pay me what you owe or I walk right now. See that is the stuff that Ozzy and Sharon don't want out there but none of this should be surprising because of how badly they treated Jake. For years fans had this view that Randy was held in a different regard by them but that's completely false, they looked at him no differently than how they looked at Jake. I have little doubt had RR left they would've fucked him and Delores over but him dying was too public.

You know with Van Halen, crazy stuff as well but they were actually a band. Drama always follows bands and for some once that layer is pulled back it's hard for them to understand they're all just human. But Ozzy and Sharon, whole different category of shit people.

Crazy to think every guitarist was complaining about pay... maybe by the time they got to Zakk they figured that out. But it is so true that his death was a chance for them to market him and boy did they do that. I love listening to the old bootlegs on youtube. There is one user on there who knew Randy who is committed to putting as much of the live stuff as he has out there. I was surprised to see just how many live bootlegs he has. Apparently he says he has some footage which he wants to put on youtube but is afraid of lawsuit or cease and desist posting. Something to that effect. You'd think that's a wild story but then knowing what we know about that camp... believable.

 

[harddriver]

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