Eddie trying to play eruption 2-20-08

[mentoneman]

With all due respect bro bro, that's kind of like asking a guy to come in and bang your wife or girlfriend. That said, No one knows for sure if it's arthritis screwing him up or drugs. I think Ed just needs to sort it out.

On another note, someone just scored a Peacemaker on the bay for $1325 and a coyote for $1000!!!

i just have to think that if he has any sort of self respect and takes an honest look at these performances, eddie has to do something to make it right. and if it's the fact that his hands are limiting his shred factor, then i don't think it would be too much to expect the audience to sympathize if he honestly confesses his plight, and then invites a shred friend to take over the solo spot.

i think it would be great. think about it....watching famous eddie faceplant, or watching guthrie go total virtuoso...i don't think it's even a close contest. his solo spots at the moment are making me sick to my stomach and i can't imagine there is one living soul who would find that even remotely redeeming to watch.


and that is a RIDICULOUS price for those amps!!!

 

[amiller]

Looks like the tour has indeed been cancelled and the likely cause is Eddie and alcohol. Man, that is so sad. I hope the guy gets it together at some point.

 

[jaybird]

With all due respect bro bro, that's kind of like asking a guy to come in and bang your wife or girlfriend. That said, No one knows for sure if it's arthritis screwing him up or drugs. I think Ed just needs to sort it out.

On another note, someone just scored a Peacemaker on the bay for $1325 and a coyote for $1000!!!

i just have to think that if he has any sort of self respect and takes an honest look at these performances, eddie has to do something to make it right. and if it's the fact that his hands are limiting his shred factor, then i don't think it would be too much to expect the audience to sympathize if he honestly confesses his plight, and then invites a shred friend to take over the solo spot.

i think it would be great. think about it....watching famous eddie faceplant, or watching guthrie go total virtuoso...i don't think it's even a close contest. his solo spots at the moment are making me sick to my stomach and i can't imagine there is one living soul who would find that even remotely redeeming to watch.


and that is a RIDICULOUS price for those amps!!!

I just think he is too wasted IMO to play. If it was arthritis or something, he probably could take something / therapy, etc. He is totally missing notes, out of key, that's due to incoherence.

If he can't play a solo, fine (well not really!) just skip it. I don't want to pay for a VH show and have a clone onstage. If that was the case I'd just go see tribute bands. Just do what you can do, and charge a DISCOUNTED RATE because your old and you suck ! For 25 bucks I may be able to accept this not for $100+.

 

[CharFace]

Wow.

I almost shelled out some serious cash to go see that exact show, but my wife had to work late and couldn't get out early, and my babysitter had already committed to another job...

Lucky me, evidently

 

[defpearlpilot]

I read about this over and over again. I think he's beyond hope. It's too bad.

 

[degenaro]

FWIW, I'd hazard a guess that the ratio of guys that don't give a shit about how bad he flubs stuff to musos that get riled up is leaning way toward "Joe Sixpack". As in in the big scheme of things it doesn't matter. And more importantly I heard enough boots of VH to remember plenty of trainwrecks.

As for ringers...no way would the "masses" want to hear a great version of Eruption by som on else, they're there for EVH and DLR.
Schenker had a guy behind the stack a few decades back ghosting for him when he was having hard times, when the shit hit the fan he really had to back pedal in turbo mode.

 

[Anonymous]

but if it is just his hands falling apart, i still think he should hire someone like guthrie to come on during the solo spot and say
"listen, i'm not gonna pretend i can shred anymore, but i have a guy here who kills eruption and who's playing i admire."

guthrie does an unaccompanied solo for about 5 minutes, then VH kicks in an instrumental jam and guthrie flies over the top with the most insane shredding, and then they go into another classic vh tune and guth bails.

nice way to please the guitar crowd???

How about just eliminating the solo spot?

Steve

 

[Anonymous]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

 

[degenaro]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

Of course, to us it's the "end of the world"...
In reality it's friggin' entertainment for a most of the folks wanting to relive their youth.
And beside the point, I've heard Holdsworth drop shit as well. Show me a player and I show you some one who has fluffed shit. No one is one 100% of the time.

 

[mentoneman]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

i understand the concept but stop and think just how many of "us" are out there...

eddie launched a generation of guitar loving nutcases, most of which populate their live shows, and when i hear anyone play eruption or one of his showcase solos well, i enjoy it period.

it could be a really fun jam moment and something to look forward to show after show, and the payoff is we get to hear some virtuoso guitar playing, which is what the majority of the audience "expects" to hear at a Van Halen concert, so eliminating the solo spot would be even worse than having a great player step in to pass the torch to..

i really think it would be a positive thing if eddie wholeheartedly endorsed it in the spirit of fun, and it came out of a true physical limitation from something like arthritis, but if it's drugs, no deal.


i think the saddest solution would be to just hang it up and go back to recording terrible porn soundtracks gacked out on chemicals...

 

[mentoneman]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

Of course, to us it's the "end of the world"...
In reality it's friggin' entertainment for a most of the folks wanting to relive their youth.
And beside the point, I've heard Holdsworth drop shit as well. Show me a player and I show you some one who has fluffed shit. No one is one 100% of the time.

the bigger picture is it is just the novelty of seeing eddie and dave on stage together again. which is the main reason i went.
but eddie could do a great deal to salvage his persona by not trying to play solos he executed to perfection in his youth, and have a little assistance in that department. don't know if his pride could take it though.
and i'm not talking about some ringer hiding behind the full stacks, but actually celebrating the guest and high caliber guitar playing in general.

it's doable.

 

[mentoneman]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

i know there is always the drunk hessian factor screaming cheers at anything loud, but i can't for one instant think anyone heard that debacle of a solo and truly celebrated it.

that solo will be on a par with the infamous "Pepi photoshop" incident.
pure damage.

 

[ratter]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

i know there is always the drunk hessian factor screaming cheers at anything loud, but i can't for one instant think anyone heard that debacle of a solo and truly celebrated it.

that solo will be on a par with the infamous "Pepi photoshop" incident.
pure damage.

Not to sound all elitist or anything, but I think you're giving joe sixpack's ears too much credit. I'd venture to say that most people in the crowd couldn't discern between the debacle and the perfectly-executed solo. Especially not from 60 yards away at a basketball arena. As long as they get to see Eddie, have a few beers and sing along with Jump, they're alright. Witness all of the youtube comments from the 2-20 videos saying what a great show it was...

It would go over about as well as Holdsworth subbing for Sambora. Many beers would be thrown.

 

[degenaro]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

i know there is always the drunk hessian factor screaming cheers at anything loud, but i can't for one instant think anyone heard that debacle of a solo and truly celebrated it.

that solo will be on a par with the infamous "Pepi photoshop" incident.
pure damage.

I really don't think there will be any big lasting damage from this.

 

[degenaro]

BTW - Ed D is right. Nobody but us cares. I went to my last VH show in '04 and EVH played the most incoherent, useless, noise laden "solo spot" in history while the crowd chanted his name adoringly... Vey few people hear what we hear, nor do they care. They just was to drink some beers and cheer for Ed regardless of what he does...

Steve

Of course, to us it's the "end of the world"...
In reality it's friggin' entertainment for a most of the folks wanting to relive their youth.
And beside the point, I've heard Holdsworth drop shit as well. Show me a player and I show you some one who has fluffed shit. No one is one 100% of the time.

the bigger picture is it is just the novelty of seeing eddie and dave on stage together again. which is the main reason i went.
but eddie could do a great deal to salvage his persona by not trying to play solos he executed to perfection in his youth, and have a little assistance in that department. don't know if his pride could take it though.
and i'm not talking about some ringer hiding behind the full stacks, but actually celebrating the guest and high caliber guitar playing in general.

it's doable.

I think the big picture is that as a muso you overlook that EVH isn't a muso as much than a star. Different rules apply once you're a celebrity. Regardless of how things should be, they aren't.

 

[Tnjpekar]

I think the big picture is that as a muso you overlook that EVH isn't a muso as much than a star. Different rules apply once you're a celebrity. Regardless of how things should be, they aren't.

I think you just hit the nail right on the head for us. As musicians, and many of us here cut our teeth on vh solos 20 or so years ago, we all know these lines note for note. coupled with the fact that we can all play, we can and do recognise when he fluffs it as it were. It lets us down, and we are outraged by it. how dare he, he should remain eddy, so the rest of us can maintain our memories intact. Sad fact of the matter is, the lifestyle got the better of him, and now he is more celebrity and less muso.
Still, I wonder what percentage of the audience that is shelling out a few hundred a ticket are guitarists, and how many are just fans. could it be as high as 40% at a vh show?
I wonder

 

[degenaro]

I think the big picture is that as a muso you overlook that EVH isn't a muso as much than a star. Different rules apply once you're a celebrity. Regardless of how things should be, they aren't.

I think you just hit the nail right on the head for us. As musicians, and many of us here cut our teeth on vh solos 20 or so years ago, we all know these lines note for note. coupled with the fact that we can all play, we can and do recognise when he fluffs it as it were. It lets us down, and we are outraged by it. how dare he, he should remain eddy, so the rest of us can maintain our memories intact. Sad fact of the matter is, the lifestyle got the better of him, and now he is more celebrity and less muso.
Still, I wonder what percentage of the audience that is shelling out a few hundred a ticket are guitarists, and how many are just fans. could it be as high as 40% at a vh show?
I wonder

I have no idea what the actual ratio is, I know I didn't plunk down.

 

[GRK]

I've never been a fan and not having been one gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.

 

[degenaro]

He should hang it up and retire all around.

Why because his playing isn't up to our "strict" standards. I'll go and guess that he's laughing all the way to the proverbial bank.

 

[Digital Jams]

He should hang it up and retire all around.

Why because his playing isn't up to our "strict" standards. I'll go and guess that he's laughing all the way to the proverbial bank.

No doubt about that, he is making a killing revenue wise.