Everything about W-D-W?

[stephen sawall]

I have screw around with all kinds of w/d/w and w/d set ups .... this is what works for me ....

GCX / GCP set up with two amps.

Running one amp (preamp distortion) This one has effects in the loop and is on all the time.

The other amp non-master (power amp distortion with THD Hot Plate).... this amp is set for a upper range of medium gain / crunch and is turned on and off with presets. No effects in loop.

All front effects go to both amps.

Both go to their own 4x12.

If one amp goes down well playing I can keep on playing.
Sometimes I use two preamp distortion amps or two non-master amps. But everything else is the same.
My rack is set up so I can use any one or two amps.
I have about 50 pedals that I can switch out on the rack shelfs and a TC G major.
Out front GCP / two expression pedals and a 535Q wa.

I have about a dozen amps but these are the ones I use these days often ....

Mesa ~
Tremoverb
Mark IV
Trident

Freyette ~
Sig -X

THD ~
Series One Plexi
Bivalve
Flexi

Tremoverb and Series One Plexi are the ones I use the most these days.

 

[steve_k]

Matt, you can tap an adjustable line out off of the speaker jack using a resistor and a pot. If you don't have the real estate in your amp you can put it in a little project box between the amp and cab.

This seems easier to me--

I use one of these.

Take a line out from the Cameron to the IOS box, then the main signal goes into a MArshall 4x12 loaded with blackback 30's. I take the line level and go into a Rocktron Intellifex, from their I go into a Rane PE-17 parqametric equalizer to get rid of the fizz from the effects. Next I take a STEREO signal into a MosValve MV-962 (I usually dont use EQ when using the MosValve, only with the Carvin DCM150). I then split the stereo signal output into 2 Marshall 4x12's, one loaded with 75's with tone bras and the other in 65's...I like having the 75's in the mix because they have a modern sound to them. So I am running 3 4x12's with stereo cabs on the outsides. Sometimes I like to use mono signal to the cabs as well. Depends on the mood. Mono seems to sound more mean, stereo sounds a little richer (not brighter, just more of "something"). I almost never have 100% of the main signal going to the wet cabinets. I like to have the main mono cab a bit louder to give the punch to my sound. If/ when I get tired of the sound, I either switch amps (between Aldrich and Jose) or I just switch a cabinet. It is fun to experiment between different cabinets. One very cool really dark sound is to have the mono cab with blackback 30's and use greenback 25's for the wet cabs. The options are endless and is a big reason why I have 10 4x12's.

I sometimes switch out the ISO box for a load box with line out that Mark Cameron made me. I typically use this for slaving Marshalls or using an unmodded Super Lead with the W/D/W set-up.

The ONLY downfall to using a W/D/W set up is that a single 4x12 will now sound like shit. It will sound very small and focused. So I like to turn the wet cabs way down or even off so I dont forget how my original signal sounds.

Is the level control on the ISO box for controlling output to the cabs or wet level of effects?

Steve

 

[glpg80]

Matt, you can tap an adjustable line out off of the speaker jack using a resistor and a pot. If you don't have the real estate in your amp you can put it in a little project box between the amp and cab.

This seems easier to me--

I use one of these.

Take a line out from the Cameron to the IOS box, then the main signal goes into a MArshall 4x12 loaded with blackback 30's. I take the line level and go into a Rocktron Intellifex, from their I go into a Rane PE-17 parqametric equalizer to get rid of the fizz from the effects. Next I take a STEREO signal into a MosValve MV-962 (I usually dont use EQ when using the MosValve, only with the Carvin DCM150). I then split the stereo signal output into 2 Marshall 4x12's, one loaded with 75's with tone bras and the other in 65's...I like having the 75's in the mix because they have a modern sound to them. So I am running 3 4x12's with stereo cabs on the outsides. Sometimes I like to use mono signal to the cabs as well. Depends on the mood. Mono seems to sound more mean, stereo sounds a little richer (not brighter, just more of "something"). I almost never have 100% of the main signal going to the wet cabinets. I like to have the main mono cab a bit louder to give the punch to my sound. If/ when I get tired of the sound, I either switch amps (between Aldrich and Jose) or I just switch a cabinet. It is fun to experiment between different cabinets. One very cool really dark sound is to have the mono cab with blackback 30's and use greenback 25's for the wet cabs. The options are endless and is a big reason why I have 10 4x12's.

I sometimes switch out the ISO box for a load box with line out that Mark Cameron made me. I typically use this for slaving Marshalls or using an unmodded Super Lead with the W/D/W set-up.

The ONLY downfall to using a W/D/W set up is that a single 4x12 will now sound like shit. It will sound very small and focused. So I like to turn the wet cabs way down or even off so I dont forget how my original signal sounds.

Is the level control on the ISO box for controlling output to the cabs or wet level of effects?

Steve

the reason its called an iso pedal is because iso is short for isolation - hence the use an actual transformer inside this pedal design. the speakers are just an in/out across the outter taps of the transformer and the transformer steps down the voltage on the secondaries.

this knob you see is used for controlling the output signal on the secondary side. you controll the amount of dry signal going into the effects processor(s) and can better bix and fine tune your balance

 

[steve_k]

Matt, you can tap an adjustable line out off of the speaker jack using a resistor and a pot. If you don't have the real estate in your amp you can put it in a little project box between the amp and cab.

This seems easier to me--

I use one of these.

Take a line out from the Cameron to the IOS box, then the main signal goes into a MArshall 4x12 loaded with blackback 30's. I take the line level and go into a Rocktron Intellifex, from their I go into a Rane PE-17 parqametric equalizer to get rid of the fizz from the effects. Next I take a STEREO signal into a MosValve MV-962 (I usually dont use EQ when using the MosValve, only with the Carvin DCM150). I then split the stereo signal output into 2 Marshall 4x12's, one loaded with 75's with tone bras and the other in 65's...I like having the 75's in the mix because they have a modern sound to them. So I am running 3 4x12's with stereo cabs on the outsides. Sometimes I like to use mono signal to the cabs as well. Depends on the mood. Mono seems to sound more mean, stereo sounds a little richer (not brighter, just more of "something"). I almost never have 100% of the main signal going to the wet cabinets. I like to have the main mono cab a bit louder to give the punch to my sound. If/ when I get tired of the sound, I either switch amps (between Aldrich and Jose) or I just switch a cabinet. It is fun to experiment between different cabinets. One very cool really dark sound is to have the mono cab with blackback 30's and use greenback 25's for the wet cabs. The options are endless and is a big reason why I have 10 4x12's.

I sometimes switch out the ISO box for a load box with line out that Mark Cameron made me. I typically use this for slaving Marshalls or using an unmodded Super Lead with the W/D/W set-up.

The ONLY downfall to using a W/D/W set up is that a single 4x12 will now sound like shit. It will sound very small and focused. So I like to turn the wet cabs way down or even off so I dont forget how my original signal sounds.

Is the level control on the ISO box for controlling output to the cabs or wet level of effects?

Steve

the reason its called an iso pedal is because iso is short for isolation - hence the use an actual transformer inside this pedal design. the speakers are just an in/out across the outter taps of the transformer and the transformer steps down the voltage on the secondaries.

this knob you see is used for controlling the output signal on the secondary side. you controll the amount of dry signal going into the effects processor(s) and can better bix and fine tune your balance

thanks dude. cool little box. may have to try one out....

steve

 

[glpg80]

no problem steve! we are learning!

what are the opinions on slave poweramps? i really am clueless and i could go either way - tubed or SS. im young and dont have a caine yet, so weight usually isnt a problem. would love to hear from people's opinions though.

i thought about grabbing the 120/120 peavey classic in the FS section, but there is also a carvin DS150. what would adding tube tone do? the biggest concern for me would be the ability to sound amazing and not color the tone too much while also being able to catch feedback from either cabinet. i've wrote a couple songs that require it actually. can SS do what i need it to in a slave environment?

 

[Digital Jams]

Those Peavey amps are not bad at all imo, that would work for ya. If you are just messing around jamming at home I would go SS, no need for 6-8 power tubes cooking ozone while messing around.

 

[MrDan666]

The Peavey Classic power amps are KILLER!

I have the 60/60 and it sounds amazing for slaving and sounds better than most SS Poweramps i tried out.

 

[Digital Jams]

There ya go, get both the Peavey and the Mosvalve since they are affordable

 

[stephen sawall]

I would just save for a VHT / Fryettte if I was going that route.

 

[Zachman]

My favorite power amps:

Mesa Simul 395

Mesa Strategy 500

Mesa Strategy 400

Mesa/Boogie Simul 2: Ninety

VHT 2150, VHT Classic

Marshall

 

[7 Stringer]

Wow guys, `bit new here but i setup my rig W/D/W and boy, i ain`t going back either, way to much BIGNESS to the tone.
I`d like some info on one thing:

I want to run 3 cabs, but,i want the center cab and the two outer cabs stereo inside signals to be the dry tone, while the two outer cabs outer stereo signals to be the wet signal. Is this formulated OK???LOL

So i would have to split my speker outs somehow, one out to the center cab, but the other two cabs need a feed each, how do i split that signal?

Thanks for any info.

Chris

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

 

[Zachman]

You forgot to add in the Boogie Simul-Satellite. That thing sounded amazing with the Axefx.

My favorite power amps:

Mesa Simul 395

Mesa Strategy 500

Mesa Strategy 400

Mesa/Boogie Simul 2: Ninety

VHT 2150, VHT Classic

Marshall

I haven't tried those, but your word is good enough for me to accept your opinion as fact. Our tastes in cool tones are very similar.

Merry Christmas

 

[7 Stringer]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

 

[Sixstring]

This was my W/D/W at the time. Depending on which head I wanted to use I would use the line out on the back to send signal to the effects unit and amp that with the Peavy 50/50 into the Orange cabs. The Dry signal would go into the 412 from the speaker out on the head. I would use the input level adjustment to balance the two. I also had an Axess CFX4 and Rocktron Midi Mate to switch the channels and effects on and off. Fairly simple and stright foward.

 

[cyndicate]

Do you guys kill the dry signal going into the Wet cabs? Right now my wet cabs have a bit of dry signal mixed in with the effects, I tried doing the Kill dry on the g-system but it comes out sounding kind of thin, unless I'm doing something else wrong?

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

your guitar head should be powering the dry cab. the signal you send from that heads preamp goes into the g system and then the left and rights go out into the left and right of the power amp. the power amp feeds the other two cabs.

is it 3 cabinets or 2 that you have?

im a little confused ...

 

[7 Stringer]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

your guitar head should be powering the dry cab. the signal you send from that heads preamp goes into the g system and then the left and rights go out into the left and right of the power amp. the power amp feeds the other two cabs.

is it 3 cabinets or 2 that you have?

im a little confused ...

It`s 3 cabs, but the other day i tried it with 4 cabs(In a reversed T shape, full stack in the middle with 2 cabs on each side), so the 5153 was powering the dry full stack, while the G system processed the signal then throygh my power amp out to the 2 side cabs, in stereo. But i`m a bit tight in space for this setup, soooo, with 3 cabs i want the same configuration like this:

Blue speakers dry, bottom cabs split. Red speakers stereo feed from G system power amp. But i need 3 speaker wires to connect this, how do i split one of the 2 dry feeds from the 5153?

Chris

 

[7 Stringer]

Do you guys kill the dry signal going into the Wet cabs? Right now my wet cabs have a bit of dry signal mixed in with the effects, I tried doing the Kill dry on the g-system but it comes out sounding kind of thin, unless I'm doing something else wrong?

I don`t, it gives me a damn big sound, i have maybe 30% power on them though, gotta play with the level still to find the perfect balance but i`m close to perfection.

Chris

 

[moltenmetalburn]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

your guitar head should be powering the dry cab. the signal you send from that heads preamp goes into the g system and then the left and rights go out into the left and right of the power amp. the power amp feeds the other two cabs.

is it 3 cabinets or 2 that you have?

im a little confused ...

It`s 3 cabs, but the other day i tried it with 4 cabs(In a reversed T shape, full stack in the middle with 2 cabs on each side), so the 5153 was powering the dry full stack, while the G system processed the signal then throygh my power amp out to the 2 side cabs, in stereo. But i`m a bit tight in space for this setup, soooo, with 3 cabs i want the same configuration like this:

Blue speakers dry, bottom cabs split. Red speakers stereo feed from G system power amp. But i need 3 speaker wires to connect this, how do i split one of the 2 dry feeds from the 5153?

Chris

hmm, honestly not sure, never did any splitting of the speaker jack signal. it will screw with you impedance's though.

what about rewiring the cabs so that 1/2 of one cab cab be daisy chained to 1/2 of the other cabinet.

I cant see any way of doing this other than rewiring cabinets, maybe someone else can chime in.