Everything about W-D-W?

[7 Stringer]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

your guitar head should be powering the dry cab. the signal you send from that heads preamp goes into the g system and then the left and rights go out into the left and right of the power amp. the power amp feeds the other two cabs.

is it 3 cabinets or 2 that you have?

im a little confused ...

It`s 3 cabs, but the other day i tried it with 4 cabs(In a reversed T shape, full stack in the middle with 2 cabs on each side), so the 5153 was powering the dry full stack, while the G system processed the signal then throygh my power amp out to the 2 side cabs, in stereo. But i`m a bit tight in space for this setup, soooo, with 3 cabs i want the same configuration like this:

Blue speakers dry, bottom cabs split. Red speakers stereo feed from G system power amp. But i need 3 speaker wires to connect this, how do i split one of the 2 dry feeds from the 5153?

Chris

hmm, honestly not sure, never did any splitting of the speaker jack signal. it will screw with you impedance's though.

what about rewiring the cabs so that 1/2 of one cab cab be daisy chained to 1/2 of the other cabinet.

I cant see any way of doing this other than rewiring cabinets, maybe someone else can chime in.

Yep, i can`t seem to figure this one out .

As for rewiring, i`d need through jack on one cab and i could plug in the stereo side of the other....

Might make some room and go the 4 cab route!!!!!!

Chris

 

[jlbaxe]

I have the Randall mic eliminator on my TM212 cabs and you can do stereo or mono. I believe the Randall mic elim for the 412 is the same.

I run my RMod100 into a cab and then "slave" out to my TC 2290/TC 1210 into my RT2/50 stereo out to left and right TM212 cabs. Huge wall of Tone.

I run my guitar into a GCX with rack effects and pedals, Line6 M13 in gcx loop also, into the front of my amp. I sometimes use the delay sweep in front of the amp and TC 2290 panning L/R for a really crazy cool effect.

 

[Zachman]

I dont understand why you would want a post power amp signal as previously discussed. after the fx processor you should be hitting a power amp.

from the preamp out (the unused parallel loops' send on my Einstein) to the stereo processor and then to the stereo power amp is the way I do it. the Einstein powers its own cabinet dry, the power amp runs the stereo cabs.

as for recording you'd need to mic all three cabs and pan them accordingly. same thing goes for live.

It`s already pre power amp in the 5153, so for now it`s OK, i`m hitting a power amp with the signal, through a G sytem. What i want to know is how to split the signal from the speaker out into 2 cabs, one is going to the dry cab, but i want the other out to go to 2 split cabs in stereo.

I think i`ll have to draw a pic of what i want to achieve......

It`s Christmas eve and as of now, i` drunk as hell, this is just a 2 minute break from my evening..... Gotta hurry up before i get caught...LOL

Chris

your guitar head should be powering the dry cab. the signal you send from that heads preamp goes into the g system and then the left and rights go out into the left and right of the power amp. the power amp feeds the other two cabs.

is it 3 cabinets or 2 that you have?

im a little confused ...

It`s 3 cabs, but the other day i tried it with 4 cabs(In a reversed T shape, full stack in the middle with 2 cabs on each side), so the 5153 was powering the dry full stack, while the G system processed the signal then throygh my power amp out to the 2 side cabs, in stereo. But i`m a bit tight in space for this setup, soooo, with 3 cabs i want the same configuration like this:

Blue speakers dry, bottom cabs split. Red speakers stereo feed from G system power amp. But i need 3 speaker wires to connect this, how do i split one of the 2 dry feeds from the 5153?

Chris

Top 4x12 (16 Ohms) to one speaker jack on your head

Bottom 2x12 8 Ohms, w/ a series pass thru jack to daisy chain the 2 2x12 cabs together in series for a total of 16 Ohms (one jack to your head). Obviously you'll need two of each jack on each cab that's being split. The "Other jack is the feed from your power amp, for the wet.

Set head for 8 Ohms and you're fine

 

[Zachman]

It`s 3 cabs, but the other day i tried it with 4 cabs(In a reversed T shape, full stack in the middle with 2 cabs on each side), so the 5153 was powering the dry full stack, while the G system processed the signal then throygh my power amp out to the 2 side cabs, in stereo. But i`m a bit tight in space for this setup, soooo, with 3 cabs i want the same configuration like this:

Blue speakers dry, bottom cabs split. Red speakers stereo feed from G system power amp. But i need 3 speaker wires to connect this, how do i split one of the 2 dry feeds from the 5153?

Chris

Looks interesting. I wonder how it would sound with the wet speakers mixed in with the dry...like in an "X" pattern. I have messed around with cabinet placement and I still prefer 3 4x12's with the dry in the center and the wet on the outsides. 2 dry cabinets tends to over power the wet cabinets...keep in mind that I tend to run my dry cabinet at a slightly increased volume.

Ditto... Agree 100%

 

[7 Stringer]

LOL

Just came about this thread looking for W/D/W rig ideas. 6 years old thread!!!!!

I am still using this W/D/W setup with the same G system, not a single hickup since. Tried and true rig. I now have a second W/D/W rig in my garage for jams with the band.

Just bought a second G system and a Carvin power amp. Sounding big as expected, can`t go back to loops, seriously addictive tone.

Will post pics soon. I wanna get a nice road case built for my head with an 8 space rack and wire everything nice and tight.

Chris

 

[Racerxrated]

Nice! I'm in a sort of tone nirvana, running a 2C+ combo slaved into a Strategy 400 with an Intellifex in between. Dry out of the 2C+ combo speaker, and just one side of the 400 running a V30 cab and a G12 65 cab. Monstrous tone, and the effects are so much nicer this way. Gonna gig with it this weekend.... No need for all that power but even at low volumes it sounds fantastic.

 

[7 Stringer]

Nice! I'm in a sort of tone nirvana, running a 2C+ combo slaved into a Strategy 400 with an Intellifex in between. Dry out of the 2C+ combo speaker, and just one side of the 400 running a V30 cab and a G12 65 cab. Monstrous tone, and the effects are so much nicer this way. Gonna gig with it this weekend.... No need for all that power but even at low volumes it sounds fantastic.

Yeah,this method for effects is awesome. Not every effect works it's best in this config, but I only use pitch effects(various settings), chorus, verb and delays. So these are the main ones useable in this manner. Perfect.

I am going to experiment tonight with something. I put this new G completely in line, not just the back end, so I can have access to the G separate loops. Now I heard these where analog made mostly for OD's or pre effects, when in 4 c method. I use the kill dry function, so I am wondering if the kill dry will be active on those analog loops? As my plan was to put my H9 in one of these loops to have access to it by the G controller, cause I need a signal to com through the H9. Then I can use the H9 kill dry function to keep the dry tone out the effected cabs. I could not use the rest of the G effects while the h9 is active as there would not be any line signal.

Wow, complicated huh? Hard to explain all this. Lol.

I should talk with laird Williams on the TC forums about this.

By the way, back to W/D/W, i opted not to use dry signal in my wet cabs. I found it to be to much, gets congested and kills some of the punch on high gain settings. Cleans is fabulous though with a bit of dry.

Man I love experimenting with this stuff.

Pics soon of my temporary setup.

 

[barnesjd]

So... Right now I have two cabs, one with EVH GBs and one with Marshall Vintage 30s. I only have one amp (50-watt SLO clone with 6L6s), and I use it mostly with the V30s. However, I really dig the tone of the EVH's when I use the crunch channel with the master dimed. I've been thinking about getting a second amp (currently thinking JCM800 clone) with EL34s to drive the EVH cab wide open dry, and my SLO clone with my effects as is. I already have a Lehle Little Dual for driving both amps. That's my idea for creating a W/D rig.

Then I saw this thread.... Do I have completely the wrong idea for building a W/D rig? I know that whatever sounds good works, but I had no idea that there was more to it than simply running multiple rigs.

 

[7 Stringer]

So... Right now I have two cabs, one with EVH GBs and one with Marshall Vintage 30s. I only have one amp (50-watt SLO clone with 6L6s), and I use it mostly with the V30s. However, I really dig the tone of the EVH's when I use the crunch channel with the master dimed. I've been thinking about getting a second amp (currently thinking JCM800 clone) with EL34s to drive the EVH cab wide open dry, and my SLO clone with my effects as is. I already have a Lehle Little Dual for driving both amps. That's my idea for creating a W/D rig.

Then I saw this thread.... Do I have completely the wrong idea for building a W/D rig? I know that whatever sounds good works, but I had no idea that there was more to it than simply running multiple rigs.

That will not be a WDW, or WD setup, not even a stereo setup. Your gonna have a dual amp setup, with effects on one side only.

The cheaper way to do a WD in your situation is to get an ISO Line out box, if you don't have a line out on your amp, a stereo power amp and an effects unit with kill dry capability. G Major 2 would be my choice. And of course you then need a foot controller for the effects unit.

I just use a Carvin 1U power amp and it sounds tits man. If one of your cabs has a stereo option, you could do ping pong delays too.

Seems complicated but it ain't. Well worth the effort if you ask me.

 

[RJF]

I've never tried W/D/W. I guess I never saw the point. I like stereo W/W. With both my Diezel rig and Mesa rig that each contain 2 heads (see avatar), when I want dry I just have the midi set up that the FX loops for both amps go off, making both amps 100% dry. If I want effects, loops come on and my stereo rack processor runs through the loop of both amps delivering true stereo L/R fx. Each head has it's own 412.

 

[7 Stringer]

I've never tried W/D/W. I guess I never saw the point. I like stereo W/W. With both my Diezel rig and Mesa rig that each contain 2 heads (see avatar), when I want dry I just have the midi set up that the FX loops for both amps go off, making both amps 100% dry. If I want effects, loops come on and my stereo rack processor runs through the loop of both amps delivering true stereo L/R fx. Each head has it's own 412.

Nice setup man, i love your road case. I am having one built in a week or so, i just can`t decide if i want a two head or single head one. We don`t really gig often, but i`m thinking if we start again, a two head rack would be overkill????

Watcha think?

Here is my setup in the meantime of the case:




I only have a Decimator and EQ in the loop. Shure wireless.

I love the fact that i only have an RJ45 cable going to my board, no signal and everything is close to the head, no long cable runs.

The ultimate IMO.

 

[7 Stringer]

Here is my basement setup by the way, this sounds HUGE as i have two 4X12`s for the wets and two for dry!!!!!!!

OVERKILL but awesome:





Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

 

[RJF]

Nice setup man, i love your road case. I am having one built in a week or so, i just can`t decide if i want a two head or single head one. We don`t really gig often, but i`m thinking if we start again, a two head rack would be overkill????

Watcha think?

Well, my road case is heavy, but the extent that it gets moved is pulled forward 2 feet every 6months to vacuum behind it, then roll it back against the wall. It would be a PITA to move my rig around, everything would need to be ramped, no steps. My house has steps... If your band has a band trailer with a flop down ramp, then it's much easier.

I always thought that if I ever joined a band that I'd do another dual head rig but utilizing a pair of lunch box heads. Supposedly Diezel is coming out with one soon. Same rack gear, but with two LB heads and (2) 2x12 cabs. You'd have something somewhat compact, carried by 1 guy, and pretty unique.

 

[RJF]

Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

Yes and no. If a guy buys everything right, then the money is still there just in a different form then green backs. WIth crap for interest rates available today, I feel like it's a decent place to put money. Cool amps and guitars are way more fun to play with then a stack of paper, and it may take a while, but I could get my money back if I needed it. Not like a lot of other hobbies where you get pennies back on your dollar if you want out.

 

[Zachman]

Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

Yes and no. If a guy buys everything right, then the money is still there just in a different form then green backs. WIth crap for interest rates available today, I feel like it's a decent place to put money. Cool amps and guitars are way more fun to play with then a stack of paper, and it may take a while, but I could get my money back if I needed it. Not like a lot of other hobbies where you get pennies back on your dollar if you want out.

Spending isn't losing $$, depreciation is where $ is lost.

For those who gig-- The gear provides a way to earn $$, in certain cases--appreciation, and serve as a tax write off-- pls the added + of appreciating the gear

 

[7 Stringer]

Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

Yes and no. If a guy buys everything right, then the money is still there just in a different form then green backs. WIth crap for interest rates available today, I feel like it's a decent place to put money. Cool amps and guitars are way more fun to play with then a stack of paper, and it may take a while, but I could get my money back if I needed it. Not like a lot of other hobbies where you get pennies back on your dollar if you want out.

Yep, get that. My money is well invested in this, but, can you imagine the amount? I got about 35 guitars 8 heads, some costing close to 4k each. Ha ha. Expensive for sure. Like you say, i could get back most of it if i sell. But whats the fun in that!!!!!! Some day I'll have to sell stuff. Once i settle in a nice little log home close to the rockies. To do my other favorite pastime!!!!!!

Sledding in the mountains.

Chris

 

[JTyson]

My W/D/W setup is mixed with some additional amps so I'm not sure what to call it. It runs guitar to voodoo amp selector, Fortin JMP is always on and feeds 1 Marshall 412, Langner Marshall goes into a Marshall SE100 loadbox/Att unit, back to its own 412 Marshall, feed from loadbox goes into a Roland EFX unit, and the stereo outs feed 2 different REV7's, then go to a Marshall Dual Monoblock poweramp (100/100) which pushes 2 Marshall 412's. The Friedman plexi goes straight to a 412 and is switched in/out when needed. It ends up being 5 412's with the center 3 being dry and the 2 outside wet.
Its a lot of fun but honestly, I prefer the tone of the guitar plugged straight in, and 1 412 for recording. We will add tracks with other amps and doubled parts with some sauce added in the box. I dont have enough good mikes or mike pre's to mike up the whole system
And I have 1 Marshall 412 with some (30 years worth) supremely broken-in V30's that kill for recording, so I end up using that 1 paired up with whatever head I'm running most of the time... Its quieter and sounds better for recording

 

[Anonymous]

Here is my current rig. I run Wet/Dry/Wet through those three cabs. Center cab is dry directly from the head. Then the amp goes to a Suhr line out box into my effects and then L/R out of the effects into the power amp and then into the Left and Right cabs. Sounds amazing!

So, I'll explain the amps. This first black one is one of my new 50 watt, single channel prototypes. It's called the Bottle Rocket. This one has my Modern preamp:

In this next picture, we see the smaller white head case, which is my second 50 watt Bottle Rocket prototype. This one has my '80s preamp. This amp is the one that I'm currently running connected. I can easily just change a couple of cables and connect any of my amps.

Below it is my flagship 100 watt, two channel amp, the Cherry Bomb in cherry crocodile.

Here is my original hand-wired prototype that I call the PlexRod.

Here is my rack. You can see two vintage '80s Roland SDE 3000 delays. Just amazing sounding! I run them both with a bit of modulation and a bit of dry sound. Left is set at 250ms delay and Right at 500ms delay. Rhythms and leads sound amazingly thick...

Here is what is in my rack tray. My Eventide Pitchfactor, which I use sometimes only for micropitchshift. I set this +9 cents L/-9 cents R for that '80s chorus rhythm sound. When I do, I still run the Rolands, I just have different presets with the same delays, but no modulation. You can also see a stereo El Capistan, which is an amazing Echoplex clone. When I'm in an EVH mood, I use this and bypass the Rolands...

Here's my little pedalboard. Three boosts for different things, my wah and the Strymon Mobius for all other time and volume-based effects...

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Steve

 

[jlbaxe]

Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

Yes and no. If a guy buys everything right, then the money is still there just in a different form then green backs. WIth crap for interest rates available today, I feel like it's a decent place to put money. Cool amps and guitars are way more fun to play with then a stack of paper, and it may take a while, but I could get my money back if I needed it. Not like a lot of other hobbies where you get pennies back on your dollar if you want out.

Yep, get that. My money is well invested in this, but, can you imagine the amount? I got about 35 guitars 8 heads, some costing close to 4k each. Ha ha. Expensive for sure. Like you say, i could get back most of it if i sell. But whats the fun in that!!!!!! Some day I'll have to sell stuff. Once i settle in a nice little log home close to the rockies. To do my other favorite pastime!!!!!!

Sledding in the mountains.

Chris

Here is the fun in that

I sold 3/4 of my gear and a few guns for this: took about 2-1/2 months and a lot of determination to do it. I paid the Motor Home and Bike in cash, have a loan out on the trailer and Mini Cooper in the trailer for under $370 a month. I basically have to make $1000 a month, above that goes in savings I didn't want to wait to retirement age to retire and travel. I'm kinda glad I was a gear whore




Time to work a little and play a lot. Still have a decent set up with 2 les Paul's, 2 fender Strats and a Tele. I was a big time gear whore on here

 

[7 Stringer]

Damn, what an expensive passtime we have huh?

Chris

Yes and no. If a guy buys everything right, then the money is still there just in a different form then green backs. WIth crap for interest rates available today, I feel like it's a decent place to put money. Cool amps and guitars are way more fun to play with then a stack of paper, and it may take a while, but I could get my money back if I needed it. Not like a lot of other hobbies where you get pennies back on your dollar if you want out.

Yep, get that. My money is well invested in this, but, can you imagine the amount? I got about 35 guitars 8 heads, some costing close to 4k each. Ha ha. Expensive for sure. Like you say, i could get back most of it if i sell. But whats the fun in that!!!!!! Some day I'll have to sell stuff. Once i settle in a nice little log home close to the rockies. To do my other favorite pastime!!!!!!

Sledding in the mountains.

Chris

Here is the fun in that

I sold 3/4 of my gear and a few guns for this: took about 2-1/2 months and a lot of determination to do it. I paid the Motor Home and Bike in cash, have a loan out on the trailer and Mini Cooper in the trailer for under $370 a month. I basically have to make $1000 a month, above that goes in savings I didn't want to wait to retirement age to retire and travel. I'm kinda glad I was a gear whore


Time to work a little and play a lot. Still have a decent set up with 2 les Paul's, 2 fender Strats and a Tele. I was a big time gear whore on here

Oh yeah, i hear ya on the play a lot, i`ve never stopped man, i am 42 and feel like i am 16. Been riding bikes and sleds since i was 6, still at it as much as i was back then...Well maybe not as much but still, a lot!!!!!



By the way, nice V&H pipes dude!!!!!!!!! LOL



Enjoy life everybody, as much as you (WE) can, it is too short to miss out.

Chris