Favorite Rectifier recorded tones?

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VESmedic said:
Once again, the the Marshall celestion vintage is the “original” design of the v30 yes, but it’s nothing like the new ones, at ALL.
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Agreed.

I think that's where there's the misunderstanding.

I think the video didn't really touch on that either. Or at least not in depth. Ther are no off-the-shelf V30's from that era to compare the OG's to. So it's just impossible. But yeah, based on the time period the OG's were made on, they're certainly not going to sound like anything currently made.

But I do think the video mentioned the current on Marshall Vintage do sound like the standard V30's, more or less.
 
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Again, I'm just going by the video. I don't have any experience comparing 2005 Marshall Vintages to 2005 Mesa V30's to 2005 Chinese V30's, just to name an example. So I'm not trying to come off as a V30 conossieur either.

Hell, I've never even been in the same room as '87 OG Marshall Vintage speakers.

So I'm just going by what I learned from that video.

Which in itself is controversial, and it contradicts what Steve Friette once explained about Mesa V30's being in fact different.
 
my marshall "vintage" g12 dosent sound much like a regular v30, think ive done some comparison clips
 
Beyond Black said:
No, many new fans that didn’t like them when they played real metal jumped on the bandwagon when they both jumped on the corporate dick. Most of the real metal fans jumped ship, and couldn’t care less how many albums they sold.
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Countdown has definitely aged better and I didn’t hate it like I hated the Black Album. Plus any Album with Ashes in Your Mouth on it gets a metal pass for that song alone.
Unfortunately with the remixes Dave did, both RIP and Countdown are unlistenable for me. Praying I don’t lose my OG RIP, through computer mishap.
 
RaceU4her said:
my marshall "vintage" g12 dosent sound much like a regular v30, think ive done some comparison clips
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Are they from different years? Same ohms?

My pair of Chinese and my pair of English Greenbacks sound nothing alike. But they're from different years.

I also had a pair of Creamback H's that I always thought had no low-end at all, but everyone seems to find them pretty beefy in this forum.
 
anomaly said:
Well, the black album and countdown are those bands highest selling albums, so I think most of the fans and then some many more millions stuck around.
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Well, who would have thought that selling out would increase a fanbase?
All those new hardcore 'tallica fans that caught the train at Sandman station.
 
VESmedic said:
Nolly doesn’t really touch on this. The fact that they sound different than v30s doesn’t have to do with the inconsistencies in speakers, it had to do with the fact that they are LITERALLY different designs homie… I promise you, I am a huge nerd with this stuff as you know. The modern day v30 is not anything like the Marshall celestion vintage speaker at all… have you done a true comparison? By that I mean, a 16 ohm v30, and a 16 ohm Marshall celestion vintage… they don’t sound anything alike at all man, I mean really. Not at all.


Once again, the the Marshall celestion vintage is the “original” design of the v30 yes, but it’s nothing like the new ones, at ALL.


If they are the same, why can’t you buy Marshall celestion vintages? Think about it… seriously, you can’t buy them anywhere, unless it’s used. They don’t sell them…..
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Dude, the recipe for the V30 hasn't changed since the beginning, so if they're different that really just doesn't make sense does it? They were originally called Vintages yes, then Marshall took that name for their cabs, and the rest are labeled Vintage 30's,. It's all a bunch of the same speakers with different names because Marshall think they are special or something, lol. Sames cones, same voice coils, go ahead tear one apart and inspect them, 16 ohm Vintage 30 and 16 ohm Marshall Vintage... and yes, i've heard many Marshall Vintage speakers that sound exactly like 16 ohm Vintage 30's, cause they are the same.
 
anomaly said:
Dude, the recipe for the V30 hasn't changed since the beginning, so if they're different that really just doesn't make sense does it? They were originally called Vintages yes, then Marshall took that name for their cabs, and the rest are labeled Vintage 30's,. It's all a bunch of the same speakers with different names because Marshall think they are special or something, lol. Sames cones, same voice coils, go ahead tear one apart and inspect them, 16 ohm Vintage 30 and 16 ohm Marshall Vintage... and yes, i've heard many Marshall Vintage speakers that sound exactly like 16 ohm Vintage 30's, cause they are the same.
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They aren’t at all man. I don’t know what else to tell you. Call Marshall yourself or celestion reps.


If you think the v30 “recipe” hasn’t changed since the beginning, you are definitely the only person in the guitar world that believes that. I’m not trying to be a dick, but we all know that isn’t true. There is Atleast 16 different “ versions” of v30s that I can think of off the top of my head: and the Marshall celestion vintage isn’t one of them. You could argue yes it’s the “ original” design like I said, but it is not at all the same speaker as an English made v30 of today.
 
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I want to reiterate this once again…. Celestion themselves will tell you this. They aren’t the same, completely different voicing. That’s what I mean, it’s not an opinion. I have talked to my buddys celestion rep many times about this. They aren’t the same.

In fact , celestion themselves have never claimed it to be the same speaker at all. So I guess I’m somewhat wrong about that… here’s a quote from him.

“The marshall vintage pre dates the 30. The 30 is based on that design, but they do not sound the same. Especially in 8 ohm. But 16 ohm aren’t the same at all either, not at all. The marshall vintage has more low and high end because it’s a more scooped voicing. “



Which, if you think about it, it all makes perfect sense. Marshalls are mid heavy amps, why would they want an extremely midrange heavy speaker in their cabinets? Same reason they still use 75s in their cabs as well, they balance out the voicing of their amplifiers. I also love Marshalls with 75s personally as well, imagine that.
 
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VESmedic said:
They aren’t at all man. I don’t know what else to tell you. Call Marshall yourself or celestion reps.


If you think the v30 “recipe” hasn’t changed since the beginning, you are definitely the only person in the guitar world that believes that. I’m not trying to be a dick, but we all know that isn’t true. There is Atleast 16 different “ versions” of v30s that I can think of off the top of my head: and the Marshall celestion vintage isn’t one of them. You could argue yes it’s the “ original” design like I said, but it is not at all the same speaker as an English made v30 of today.
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Yes, there are so called different versions, but these different versions don't sound different. They sound like V30's, they have the same signature sound, and they all obviously vary due to tolerances but there's nothing signature in their tone about them, that includes the Marshall Vintage. You don't have to believe me, just do the research, and watch The Other John Brownes V30 comparison. Marshall Vintages are the same thing as 16 ohm V30's.
 
VESmedic said:
I want to reiterate this once again…. Celestion themselves will tell you this. They aren’t the same, completely different voicing. That’s what I mean, it’s not an opinion. I have talked to my buddys celestion rep many times about this. They aren’t the same.

In fact , celestion themselves have never claimed it to be the same speaker at all. So I guess I’m somewhat wrong about that… here’s a quote from him.

“The marshall vintage pre dates the 30. The 30 is based on that design, but they do not sound the same. Especially in 8 ohm. But 16 ohm aren’t the same at all either, not at all. The marshall vintage has more low and high end because it’s a more scooped voicing. “



Which, if you think about it, it all makes perfect sense. Marshalls are mid heavy amps, why would they want an extremely midrange heavy speaker in their cabinets? Same reason they still use 75s in their cabs as well, they balance out the voicing of their amplifiers. I also love Marshalls with 75s personally as well, imagine that.
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It's only more scooped because it's 16 ohms and 16 ohm speakers are generally more scooped than 8 ohm speakers of the same variety.

And so are Mesa Mark series amps. They are very mid heavy, but most people plug them into a traditional Mesa cab loaded with 8 ohm V30's. There's an EQ on amplifiers, ya know??

BTW celestion are lying when they say that about the Marshall vintage, maybe they're just talking about the frame of the speaker?? lol cause they use the same cone, same voice coil.
 
anomaly said:
It's only more scooped because it's 16 ohms and 16 ohm speakers are generally more scooped than 8 ohm speakers of the same variety.

And so are Mesa Mark series amps. They are very mid heavy, but most people plug them into a traditional Mesa cab loaded with 8 ohm V30's. There's an EQ on amplifiers, ya know??

BTW celestion are lying when they say that about the Marshall vintage, maybe they're just talking about the frame of the speaker?? lol cause they use the same cone, same voice coil.
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Dude, I literally couldn’t give a damn what john Browne or whatever some YouTube person has to say on this subject. I’ll trust the guys who work at celestion, thanks. To think you know more than they do about their own speakers and what they do or don’t do, is hillarious.

If you think they sound the same or are anything alike, well I’m not sure what else to say about that. This is extremely common knownledge: they aren’t the same speaker, the v30 based it’s design off of it. I’m well aware why 16 ohm speakers and 8 ohm speakers sound different, but that’s not the point. A 16 ohm v30 doesn’t have near the scooped voicing as a Marshall vintage speaker.

yes, the mark series amps have eq’s… they also have a GRAPHIC eq, which is much, much more powerful than a typical guitar eq . Yes, people plug their mark series amps into recto cabs/v30 cabs, but did the speaker cabinet that came with those mark series amps have v30s in them? No…. They didnt… I wonder why that is ? And I wonder why a more scooped sounding amplifier like the rectifier has a matching cabinet with much more midheavey speakers like 8 ohm v30s? Strange huh? It’s because companies voice THEIR cabinets to sound good with THEIR amps. You can mix and match cabinets all day long ( like a mark series amp with a recto), we all do this sometimes.



They aren’t the same speaker. At all. but hey, since it’s on YouTube, I’m sure it’s true!
 
VESmedic said:
Dude, I literally couldn’t give a damn what john Browne or whatever some YouTube person has to say on this subject. I’ll trust the guys who work at celestion, thanks. To think you know more than they do about their own speakers and what they do or don’t do, is hillarious.

If you think they sound the same or are anything alike, well I’m not sure what else to say about that. This is extremely common knownledge: they aren’t the same speaker, the v30 based it’s design off of it. I’m well aware why 16 ohm speakers and 8 ohm speakers sound different, but that’s not the point. A 16 ohm v30 doesn’t have near the scooped voicing as a Marshall vintage speaker.

yes, the mark series amps have eq’s… they also have a GRAPHIC eq, which is much, much more powerful than a typical guitar eq . Yes, people plug their mark series amps into recto cabs/v30 cabs, but did the speaker cabinet that came with those mark series amps have v30s in them? No…. They didnt… I wonder why that is ? And I wonder why a more scooped sounding amplifier like the rectifier has a matching cabinet with much more midheavey speakers like 8 ohm v30s? Strange huh? It’s because companies voice THEIR cabinets to sound good with THEIR amps. You can mix and match cabinets all day long ( like a mark series amp with a recto), we all do this sometimes.



They aren’t the same speaker. At all. but hey, since it’s on YouTube, I’m sure it’s true!
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Ya, they used to match the Mark series up with the EVM12L loaded cabs, right? But they don't do that any more, they match the Mark series up with the stiletto or traditional cab, but of course you can do anything. I like them with the OS recto cabinets.

How about we agree to disagree and call it a day, alright? Because we are never going to agree on this subject. Reason I brought up John Browne was because he bought a shitload of V30's (including Marshall Vintage speakers) and did the research on them, tried to find out if there are different voiced V30's?? like between the OEM and Chinese V30's, which apparently there is no distinct voicing difference between those two speakers. You know companies like to bullshit about their products sometimes... and say their is something different and special about it when in fact there is nothing different and special about it. Marshall is one of those companies that likes to think their V30's are special when in fact they are not. Maybe they don't don't even know that they're not different and special?? hmm...
 


They sound pretty different to me in this shoot out... Both new speakers. Both 16 ohms.
 
Bram576 said:


They sound pretty different to me in this shoot out... Both new speakers. Both 16 ohms.
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If people think these speakers sound alike…. Man…. I dunno what to say. Because if you can’t hear that, then there is no point in even having this conversation.
 
anomaly said:
Dude, the recipe for the V30 hasn't changed since the beginning, so if they're different that really just doesn't make sense does it? They were originally called Vintages yes, then Marshall took that name for their cabs, and the rest are labeled Vintage 30's,. It's all a bunch of the same speakers with different names because Marshall think they are special or something, lol. Sames cones, same voice coils, go ahead tear one apart and inspect them, 16 ohm Vintage 30 and 16 ohm Marshall Vintage... and yes, i've heard many Marshall Vintage speakers that sound exactly like 16 ohm Vintage 30's, cause they are the same.
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Dude, just drop it. I'm old enough to have frequented long gone forums such as Plexi Palace and Vintageampsforum. A long running Celestion engineer named DunxB (screen name) used to frequent those places and he confirmed over and over that there are absolutely construction AND material differences between various V30 types. This guy was at Celestion for a long time and knew his shit while some of these flavor of the month Youtubers you mention were still crapping their diapers. It's also true all speakers vary somewhat but each V30 type has a distinct color. Due to natural variability, the shades can change a bit but never become a different color. Each V30 design is it's own color.
 
thegame said:
Dude, just drop it. I'm old enough to have frequented long gone forums such as Plexi Palace and Vintageampsforum. A long running Celestion engineer named DunxB (screen name) used to frequent those places and he confirmed over and over that there are absolutely construction AND material differences between various V30 types. This guy was at Celestion for a long time and knew his shit while some of these flavor of the month Youtubers you mention were still crapping their diapers. It's also true all speakers vary somewhat but each V30 type has a distinct color. Due to natural variability, the shades can change a bit but never become a different color. Each V30 design is it's own color.
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Ahhhh the plexi forum, those were the days.


Yea I really wasn’t trying to start a war here ( for once), but it’s just not true they are the same speaker at all. The v30 was designed off the Marshall vintage, but that’s about it.
 
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