FORTIN's Evil Pumpkin – Made in China?

[7 Stringer]

I'm in Camp 5:

Cats and Boobs

I don't really care too much for either side as it seems this 'feud' has brought out the worst of both sides

Hmmmmm, until i hear Mike’s side of the story i ain’t in no camp......

 

[novosibir]

I'm in Camp 5:

Cats and Boobs

I don't really care too much for either side as it seems this 'feud' has brought out the worst of both sides

Who's Feud? What Feud? Sigund Feud?

 

[errrrrl]

I'm in Camp 5:

Cats and Boobs

I don't really care too much for either side as it seems this 'feud' has brought out the worst of both sides

Who's Feud? What Feud? Sigund Feud?

 

[311splawndude]

^ Tell us more about your Fortin modded Gorilla

 

[tech21man]

Larry's reason behind what he does is different than most everybody else's reason for doing business. He isn't after selling a million amps and being a big company. He also isn't money driven. I gather that he is a passionate "hobbyist" running a very small business that is a perfectionist with immense pride and time spent into what he has developed. Trying to put him in a typical business model isn't his thing. I commend him for knowing what works for him and not deviating from that. I respect and appreciate his passion for what he does. I also understand why he is so upset for his circuits being lifted. Again, it is very personal and near and dear to him. For most it would be about business, to him it is very personal and near to him. He feels a part of his life has been stolen. That is tougher to measure than dollars. YMMV

Well said.

Oh yes, fully agree

Larry, do you believe you have a case legally?

Or if is it worth money wise to go after fortin.

I have an acquaintance that has guy with 666 (randall) or is it the hammett? If I manage to get photos of the insides I could post them for guys to try and trace what's going inside that amp. He is living 600km away but who knows, lol just pictures.

 

[novosibir]

Larry, do you believe you have a case legally?

I meanwhile even know it.

Or if is it worth money wise to go after fortin.

Since it's a thing to sate my pride again, it's worth any amount.

I have an acquaintance that has guy with 666 (randall) or is it the hammett? If I manage to get photos...

You're speaking about the Meathead/Randall 667
Photos of this amp aren't interesting for me, since there's nothing inside of my IP

Btw I'm already curious, how much Larry IP the EP contends

 

[tech21man]

Does anybody have a REALLY good heavy sounding dino clip?


Disclaimer, I am to say it gently indifferent to iced earth's tone, I listen to some euro/power metal, and never EVER liked what he was doing sound wise for various reasons. I may not know tone, but I know what I don't like lol. Gamma ray and helloween as well, could be any distortion box to a small amp for all I care. Live, helloween sucked and gamma ray NOT when I saw them, but I think they had engl with them but it is what is. Both didn't blew a fucking candle to annihilator live 2019 tone, not even close and when I found out what jeff waters and co brought...oh fuck the irony lol. Not an amp of the parties involved by the way.


I don't like almost any fortin clip so much. Hollow honk is a new term for fortin. That ok, may apply here. And killertone's tone...Not bad not something really inspiring for me.

I do like fear factory and I always though tone wise that it was the elan metalhead that distinguished it and that larry either lifted or gave elan the pre eq without diving into it (never cared for pre distortion eq so much). And, that the larry dino model is a direct refference to dino cazares. And yet they use fortin now lol or kemper fortin profiles.



So yeah, if there is any similarity/relationship between all of these products I couldn't hear it. Surely I wouldn't have guessed it.



I want to hear a jaw dropping larry dino heavy clip if anybody has one to hear what all the fuss is about by the way!

 

[Racerxrated]

Larry's reason behind what he does is different than most everybody else's reason for doing business. He isn't after selling a million amps and being a big company. He also isn't money driven. I gather that he is a passionate "hobbyist" running a very small business that is a perfectionist with immense pride and time spent into what he has developed. Trying to put him in a typical business model isn't his thing. I commend him for knowing what works for him and not deviating from that. I respect and appreciate his passion for what he does. I also understand why he is so upset for his circuits being lifted. Again, it is very personal and near and dear to him. For most it would be about business, to him it is very personal and near to him. He feels a part of his life has been stolen. That is tougher to measure than dollars. YMMV

Well said.

Oh yes, fully agree

Larry, do you believe you have a case legally?

Or if is it worth money wise to go after fortin.

I have an acquaintance that has guy with 666 (randall) or is it the hammett? If I manage to get photos of the insides I could post them for guys to try and trace what's going inside that amp. He is living 600km away but who knows, lol just pictures.

If that’s the ‘meathead’ circuit contact Mr Elan. That would be his circuit that Fortin pilfered, an Elan Metalhead. Same as the Fear Factory Dino tone.

 

[JerEvil]

Does anybody have a REALLY good heavy sounding dino clip?


Disclaimer, I am to say it gently indifferent to iced earth's tone, I listen to some euro/power metal, and never EVER liked what he was doing sound wise for various reasons. I may not know tone, but I know what I don't like lol. Gamma ray and helloween as well, could be any distortion box to a small amp for all I care. Live, helloween sucked and gamma ray NOT when I saw them, but I think they had engl with them but it is what is. Both didn't blew a fucking candle to annihilator live 2019 tone, not even close and when I found out what jeff waters and co brought...oh fuck the irony lol. Not an amp of the parties involved by the way.


I don't like almost any fortin clip so much. Hollow honk is a new term for fortin. That ok, may apply here. And killertone's tone...Not bad not something really inspiring for me.

I do like fear factory and I always though tone wise that it was the elan metalhead that distinguished it and that larry either lifted or gave elan the pre eq without diving into it (never cared for pre distortion eq so much). And, that the larry dino model is a direct refference to dino cazares. And yet they use fortin now lol or kemper fortin profiles.



So yeah, if there is any similarity/relationship between all of these products I couldn't hear it. Surely I wouldn't have guessed it.



I want to hear a jaw dropping larry dino heavy clip if anybody has one to hear what all the fuss is about by the way!

No such clip exists yet. Most every clip available that isn’t a studio, multi tracked song sounds terrible. I blame it on the person making the clip though, not the amp.

A bud is supposed to have his amp from Larry soon’ish and he will make what will likely be the first good heavy clip floating about the interwebz. .

 

[panhead]

So few of these in the wild evidently nobody really knows if worth the coin or not. I played a fortin prob 5 years ago and I was like you paid how much for this? SMH

 

[ke2]

Does anybody have a REALLY good heavy sounding dino clip?


Disclaimer, I am to say it gently indifferent to iced earth's tone, I listen to some euro/power metal, and never EVER liked what he was doing sound wise for various reasons. I may not know tone, but I know what I don't like lol. Gamma ray and helloween as well, could be any distortion box to a small amp for all I care. Live, helloween sucked and gamma ray NOT when I saw them, but I think they had engl with them but it is what is. Both didn't blew a fucking candle to annihilator live 2019 tone, not even close and when I found out what jeff waters and co brought...oh fuck the irony lol. Not an amp of the parties involved by the way.


I don't like almost any fortin clip so much. Hollow honk is a new term for fortin. That ok, may apply here. And killertone's tone...Not bad not something really inspiring for me.

I do like fear factory and I always though tone wise that it was the elan metalhead that distinguished it and that larry either lifted or gave elan the pre eq without diving into it (never cared for pre distortion eq so much). And, that the larry dino model is a direct refference to dino cazares. And yet they use fortin now lol or kemper fortin profiles.



So yeah, if there is any similarity/relationship between all of these products I couldn't hear it. Surely I wouldn't have guessed it.



I want to hear a jaw dropping larry dino heavy clip if anybody has one to hear what all the fuss is about by the way!

Jeff uses Tube- or Grandmeisters, doesn't he? And a 2x12, even on festival stages?

 

[novosibir]

Jeff uses Tube- or Grandmeisters, doesn't he? And a 2x12, even on festival stages?

Ah, interesting to hear, what Jeff is using.

And what Tom is using? And what Bill?

Would be interesting as well

 

[panhead]

Larry's reason behind what he does is different than most everybody else's reason for doing business. He isn't after selling a million amps and being a big company. He also isn't money driven. I gather that he is a passionate "hobbyist" running a very small business that is a perfectionist with immense pride and time spent into what he has developed. Trying to put him in a typical business model isn't his thing. I commend him for knowing what works for him and not deviating from that. I respect and appreciate his passion for what he does. I also understand why he is so upset for his circuits being lifted. Again, it is very personal and near and dear to him. For most it would be about business, to him it is very personal and near to him. He feels a part of his life has been stolen. That is tougher to measure than dollars. YMMV

Well said.

Oh yes, fully agree

Larry, do you believe you have a case legally?

Or if is it worth money wise to go after fortin.

I have an acquaintance that has guy with 666 (randall) or is it the hammett? If I manage to get photos of the insides I could post them for guys to try and trace what's going inside that amp. He is living 600km away but who knows, lol just pictures.

If that’s the ‘meathead’ circuit contact Mr Elan. That would be his circuit that Fortin pilfered, an Elan Metalhead. Same as the Fear Factory Dino tone.

This metalhead mod stuff dates back close to Lee Jackson metaltronix days.

 

[novosibir]

This metalhead mod stuff dates back close to Lee Jackson metaltronix days.

In the late 80' a big German music store had me, to modify 25 pcs. of the (Perfect Connection) Lee Jackson GP-1000 preamps, because the people liked how they sounded as they came.

 

[turtlefingers]

Some pieces of this puzzle do not make sense...
If Larry has so much money why take money in advance?
HE can make the amp with his own money and do not have to get cufflinked to a costumer who is annoying you about time frames.
If the costumer baked out, you have a dozen costumers more than happy to buy it instead.

I can't understand a worker who got payed and trusted for a job, leave theirs costumers on the battlefield because you have personal problems.
My sister got cancer 45 days before my marriage and I didn't stop to work and take care of all my costumers.
She underwent a new brain surgery 6 days before my son was born and I still have never postponed any work and my work is way more complicated than soldering stuff where 2+2=4 always.

When I saw my Brazilian's friend new Dino, it blew me away.
But two problems showed up:

1- I couldn't find any decent clip. The ones I have seen were too compressed as Bogner and sounded as Reza's demos.
2- Since I got screwed by Mark Cameron, I promised to myself never send money in advance. This why I never ordered a Kenneth Lawrence too, even wanting it so bad and he being a very trustable stand up guy. It may seen too tragic but I don't know if he will be alive until my guitar is done.

I prefer to pay more with one hand and take the guitar/amp with the other hand.

 

[Mad Axe]

The Metalhead mod does date back to the 80’s but it is not related to Larry’s Dino amp as somebody mentioned earlier or Lee Jackson/Metaltronix. It was a separate company called Metalhead Electronics run by Elan Memran. Larry’s Dino amp has nothing to do with Dino from Fear Factory, the name is just a coincidence.

 

[Luca79]

Have you compared a DINO to the mentioned amps ever?

Do you have a kemper profile of it?

 

[skullfxr]

My sister got cancer 45 days before my marriage and I didn't stop to work and take care of all my costumers.
She underwent a new brain surgery 6 days before my son was born and I still have never postponed any work...

Different people are different. I value my family higher than you I guess. When my ex fiance had brain surgery, I took three weeks off to take care of her and support her.

When my mother had cancer I was young and my dad owned a large and successful restaurant. He ran the place. He took time off too. I always respected him for that and still do.

Different people have different values. My loved ones come first as long as my head is above water. Which has never been a problem.

 

[MrDowntown]

My sister got cancer 45 days before my marriage and I didn't stop to work and take care of all my costumers.
She underwent a new brain surgery 6 days before my son was born and I still have never postponed any work...

Different people are different. I value my family higher than you I guess. When my ex fiance had brain surgery, I took three weeks off to take care of her and support her.

When my mother had cancer I was young and my dad owned a large and successful restaurant. He ran the place. He took time off too. I always respected him for that and still do.

Different people have different values. My loved ones come first as long as my head is above water. Which has never been a problem.

...definitely a balancing act between (the feeling/notion of) abandonment of family when they need you/you need them... and neglecting real world responsibilities. as you put it...people are different.... my dad got the C when i was a teen... he never quit working, except when he had to take time for treatments. i never quit going to classes, nor neglected my work load of school, preparing for a college ball scholarship, not to mention there were things dad just couldn't physically do whilst sick... i had to do more to lighten the emotional load on my folks. doesn't mean i didn't love them less...quite the opposite i suppose.

obviously your circumstances are/were diff with your family and you did what you had to do. life don't stop when times are a mutha'fucka...got strap-on...wait..strap-on?? What....? i think there is a small contingent on this board that subscribes to the strap-on thing....anyways...

completely random....the movie Whiplash was on my idiot-box last night...supposing i was the idiot for tuning in...nonetheless. can't figure why that movie was/is so highly regarded.

btw...this thread is a virtual cross-section of life...in the most raw of forms...

 

[crankyrayhanky]

dude....Whiplash is the Rocky of Jazz Drumming! One of my top movies ever. Though if I watch it now I would fast fw past the family scenes and get to the drumming and teacher interactions